Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

[zinfamous]

Our system has a flaw in that Congress is required to act in order to rein in the activities of a criminal president. Instead, Congress has been actively enabling him because they think conservative policies are more important than the rule of law. Party over country.

This is actual Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Take note, retard republicans: That is what is going on.

 

[zinfamous]

The attacks on the reputation of the FBI should give all Americans serious pause, regardless of your politics. Nothing empowers our enemies and weakens us as much as breaking down institutions that have long protected us.

Unfortunately it seems our elected officials have no capacity to understand the historical significance of their actions and can only see the short term political gains.

More than I've ever seen in my lifetime is America's greatness being diminished and for so little.

Putin happy.

Trump Happy.

DSF, Slow, Tajjy, brandonbull happy.

the rest of us ~340 million or so can go fuck ourselves, because it is the age of despots. Put up or shut up.

 

[fskimospy]

In other news Nunes refused to say if this memo was created in consultation with the White House. ie: he may have sent over a document for the White House to ‘review’ that the White House helped create, meaning he’s just laundering their talking points so it looks like they are coming from an ‘impartial’ source.

If this sounds familiar that’s because that would be exactly the same thing Nunes was busted lying about in March of last year. If this turns out to be the case I think we can all agree that he should be brought up on ethics charges for a second time related to the Russia investigation.

 

[K1052]

In other news Nunes refused to say if this memo was created in consultation with the White House. ie: he may have sent over a document for the White House to ‘review’ that the White House helped create, meaning he’s just laundering their talking points so it looks like they are coming from an ‘impartial’ source.

If this sounds familiar that’s because that would be exactly the same thing Nunes was busted lying about in March of last year. If this turns out to be the case I think we can all agree that he should be brought up on ethics charges for a second time related to the Russia investigation.

He only escaped the last time because the members on ethics never gained access to the classified info that would have let them make a determination. They should get it and haul anybody who had a part in this in front of their committee, starting with Nunes.

 

[interchange]

If their argument is that it was inappropriate for a FISA warrant to be granted due to the FBI utilizing material obtained from the Steele dossier, isn't that an argument for a court?

If it is going to be a matter of public opinion, who can possibly try to justify the method? Selectively distill > 100 pages of source material into 4, co-construct it with the White House who has an extreme conflict of interest, to unilaterally approve its release, and to unilaterally deny all public release of related information for which people might make a more informed judgment.

 

[fskimospy]

If their argument is that it was inappropriate for a FISA warrant to be granted due to the FBI utilizing material obtained from the Steele dossier, isn't that an argument for a court?

Yes. It is also a bullshit legal argument as just because a source may be biased is not nearly enough. Virtually every source/whistleblower is biased in some way, the question is if their information is credible and can be corroborated in some way. This is what judges determine.

Also, the fact that the wiretap was reauthorized basically tells you everything you need to know as in order to reauthorize a wiretap you have to show it’s produced results. If Page was so unreasonably wiretapped why is it producing useful information?

If it is going to be a matter of public opinion, who can possibly try to justify the method? Selectively distill > 100 pages of source material into 4, co-construct it with the White House who has an extreme conflict of interest, to unilaterally approve its release, and to unilaterally deny all public release of related information for which people might make a more informed judgment.

They seem to believe the ends justify the means. As the Russia investigation looks worse and worse for Trump they have moved from ignoring it to undermining it.

It seems like a lot of Republicans genuinely thought Mueller wouldn’t find anything and are now panicking. Not panicking that the president might be a criminal, which would be the ethical response, but panicking he might be removed from office. Hence this response. (How they thought Mueller wouldn’t find things on someone as dirty as Trump is beyond me though)

 

[dank69]

Yes. It is also a bullshit legal argument as just because a source may be biased is not nearly enough. Virtually every source/whistleblower is biased in some way, the question is if their information is credible and can be corroborated in some way. This is what judges determine.

Also, the fact that the wiretap was reauthorized basically tells you everything you need to know as in order to reauthorize a wiretap you have to show it’s produced results. If Page was so unreasonably wiretapped why is it producing useful information?



They seem to believe the ends justify the means. As the Russia investigation looks worse and worse for Trump they have moved from ignoring it to undermining it.

It seems like a lot of Republicans genuinely thought Mueller wouldn’t find anything and are now panicking. Not panicking that the president might be a criminal, which would be the ethical response, but panicking he might be removed from office. Hence this response. (How they thought Mueller wouldn’t find things on someone as dirty as Trump is beyond me though)

It is looking more and more like the entire RNC might get caught up in all of this, too. NRA funneling Russian cash to the RNC? No wonder the rats are scurrying. The important thing though is that some DNC officials didn't like Bernie, unlike the RNC who loved Trump right from the beginning.

 

[mnewsham]

If Page was so unreasonably wiretapped why is it producing useful information?

And aren't 702 FISA warrants on American citizens required to be renewed every 90 days and each 90 day renewal requires proof of substantive intelligence from the previous FISA warrant. Essentially there is no question of the validity of the FISA warrant in regards to carter page. He's been under surveillance since his 2013 meeting with Victor Podobnyy.

 

[IronWing]

Despite all the money pouring into the RNC from American oligarchs, the Republicans still had to reach out to Putin for even more cash in order to defeat the "worst candidate in history" and still only barely squeaked by. A party of mountebanks with evil intent are the Republicans.

 

[interchange]

It is looking more and more like the entire RNC might get caught up in all of this, too. NRA funneling Russian cash to the RNC? No wonder the rats are scurrying. The important thing though is that some DNC officials didn't like Bernie, unlike the RNC who loved Trump right from the beginning.

How many people went down in the aftermath of Watergate? I find it unlikely Trump is organizing a cover up (disorganizing one is a better description), but if the investigation leads away from him into dirt on the RNC, I'm sure someone is covering up.

 

[UNCjigga]

Yes. It is also a bullshit legal argument as just because a source may be biased is not nearly enough. Virtually every source/whistleblower is biased in some way, the question is if their information is credible and can be corroborated in some way. This is what judges determine.

Also, the fact that the wiretap was reauthorized basically tells you everything you need to know as in order to reauthorize a wiretap you have to show it’s produced results. If Page was so unreasonably wiretapped why is it producing useful information?

That's something to think about--beyond just providing cover for the WH/Justice to fire Mueller, the Nunes memo could be the basis for a "fruit of the poisonous tree" legal defense against any of the evidence produced via these wiretaps. You know, just in case this whole thing goes south and more people campaign/administration personnel are indicted and go to court.

 

[fskimospy]

That's something to think about--beyond just providing cover for the WH/Justice to fire Mueller, the Nunes memo could be the basis for a "fruit of the poisonous tree" legal defense against any of the evidence produced via these wiretaps. You know, just in case this whole thing goes south and more people campaign/administration personnel are indicted and go to court.

Like I said, that would be a high bar to reach. Lawfare had a good article on this.

https://lawfareblog.com/dubious-legal-claim-behind-releasethememo

As a Fourth Amendment nerd, it seems to me that the premise of #ReleaseTheMemo is pretty dubious. The apparent idea is that the failure to adequately document the funding behind Steele's work is a huge deal and a fraud on the court. But as a matter of law, that seems pretty unlikely to me. When federal judges have faced similar claims in litigation, they have mostly rejected them out of hand. And when courts have been receptive to such claims, it has been because of specific facts that are likely outside the scope of the memo that will be released.

The memo is a political document, not a legal one. Its purpose is to smear law enforcement.

 

[brandonbull]

The willful destruction of the DOJ/FBI's relative political independence is what's going on. By Republicans.

Obama built that, not Trump.

 

[fskimospy]

Obama built that, not Trump.

No, the FBI and DOJ have been fairly independent since Nixon’s abuses. As of this moment they are still independent but Republicans are fighting hard to eliminate that and turn them into a political arm of law enforcement.

Now we all know why you were so afraid of ‘tyranny’ under Obama. You thought everyone would govern as corruptly as you wanted to.

 

[brandonbull]

Putin happy.

Trump Happy.

DSF, Slow, Tajjy, brandonbull happy.

the rest of us ~340 million or so can go fuck ourselves, because it is the age of despots. Put up or shut up.

More like Progressheviks are not happy because the Mueller investigation is blowing up in their faces. Putin enjoyed all the flexibility he got from the Obama years.

 

[brandonbull]

No, the FBI and DOJ have been fairly independent since Nixon’s abuses. As of this moment they are still independent but Republicans are fighting hard to eliminate that and turn them into a political arm of law enforcement.

Now we all know why you were so afraid of ‘tyranny’ under Obama. You thought everyone would govern as corruptly as you wanted to.

I'm sorry that Obama era corruptions and crimes are surfacing. I know the Mueller investigation, just like the 2016 election, was supposed to a bigly win but how long can you deny all the crimes and cover ups perpetrated by the Dems that have surfaced.

 

[Maxima1]

The memo is a political document, not a legal one. Its purpose is to smear law enforcement.

And Trump wants an excuse to fire Rosenstein.

 

[Maxima1]

I'm sorry that Obama era corruptions and crimes are surfacing. I know the Mueller investigation, just like the 2016 election, was supposed to a bigly win but how long can you deny all the crimes and cover ups perpetrated by the Dems that have surfaced.

Nope. Other way around bud!

http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/371755-davis-deep-state-existed-in-16-but-it-elected-trump

Davis: ‘Deep state’ existed in ’16 – but it elected Trump

 

[fskimospy]

I'm sorry that Obama era corruptions and crimes are surfacing. I know the Mueller investigation, just like the 2016 election, was supposed to a bigly win but how long can you deny all the crimes and cover ups perpetrated by the Dems that have surfaced.

You are seriously living in an alternate reality. Trump’s campaign manager, two campaign members, and Trump’s national security adviser have already been indicted or have pleaded guilty to felonies. Just yesterday another former administration member appears to have flipped and it now appears increasingly likely the president himself will be found to have committed a felony. By all indications we have only just started to uncover the criminal activity in Trump’s campaign and administration.

If there was criminal activity and cover ups by Obama then federal law enforcement should have no problem investigating and bringing charges based on it. After all, Trump appointees run all the agencies. When this doesn’t happen I’m sure you will convince yourself that it’s because of the ‘deep state’ and not because you live in a fantasy world of right wing paranoia.

 

[UNCjigga]

I'm sorry that Obama era corruptions and crimes are surfacing. I know the Mueller investigation, just like the 2016 election, was supposed to a bigly win but how long can you deny all the crimes and cover ups perpetrated by the Dems that have surfaced.

Lame projection. You'll find no audience here for your crap, find another forum to troll.

 

[K1052]

Obama built that, not Trump.

You are fabulously ignorant of the history regarding this.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm sorry that Obama era corruptions and crimes are surfacing. I know the Mueller investigation, just like the 2016 election, was supposed to a bigly win but how long can you deny all the crimes and cover ups perpetrated by the Dems that have surfaced.

you still have yet to document a single Obama corruption or abuse of power, let alone any evidence of Mueller's investigation "blowing up in the progressives' faces."

You're just saying shit. Nothing more.
"Where's the beef"?, that old, incontinent ad celebrity once asked (and also that grandma spokes-lady for Wendy's, IIRC)

 

[VRAMdemon]

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[VRAMdemon]

I'm hearing this is a partisan scam by some. Mueller is a Republican, he was appointed by a Republican, Rosenstein. How the hell can his investigation be considered a partisan scam? What is partisan about Republicans investigating another Republican? I've never heard of a partisan attack on someone in the same party.

 

[IronWing]

I'm hearing this is a partisan scam by some. Mueller is a Republican, he was appointed by a Republican, Rosenstein. How the hell can his investigation be considered a partisan scam? What is partisan about Republicans investigating another Republican? I've never heard of a partisan attack on someone in the same party.

Republicans have been eating their own since 2008. The Dems since 1968 (the day Bobby Kennedy got shot).