Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

[IronWing]

Its probably best to discredit the memo rather than Nunes at this point. This just seems to validate that Nunes maybe on to something.

Calling an ass an ass validates that the poop coming out is really gold?

 

[fskimospy]

Its probably best to discredit the memo rather than Nunes at this point. This just seems to validate that Nunes maybe on to something.

On what planet does a current Trump supporter pointing out that Nunes has always been a dishonest hack who is willing to say or do anything to please leadership validate that he's on to something? Wouldn't it do exactly the opposite?

I think we all know Nunes has nothing and the evidence is obvious to that effect. If Nunes was on to something he wouldn't be releasing a cherry picked report while suppressing attempts to rebut it. If your case is good you don't need to suppress dissenting views and you don't need to cherry pick your facts. Common sense, really.

 

[K1052]

I'll believe the sincerity of the concerns expressed by people when they step down as a result of the release. Wray can say how bad an idea it is all he wants. If he stays that is what speaks volumes.

There is a case to be made for him to stay in place as well as Rosenstein in order to let Mueller finish, which it precisely what Trump wants to prevent.

Also there are going to be a bunch of people at DOJ/FBI who really resent what the president is trying to do and the message is that if you aren't a stooge for him you're not going to get upped. Antagonizing people by passing them over while doing (or have done) shitty and/or possibly illegal things is ultimately the trigger to events that saw Nixon leaving office just half a step ahead of impeachment.

 

[Jhhnn]

If there are Watergate like revelations, for the good of the country there should be a mole hunt and another Mueller style investigation into exposing the perpetrators.

Just dying to get chumped, huh?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Again, zero evidence. Typical Trump playbook

Bullshit

Over the entire 33-year period, the FISA court granted 33,942 warrants, with only 12 denials – a rejection rate of 0.03 percent of the total requests. This does not include the number of warrants that were modified by the FISA court.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court

 

[HomerJS]

Its probably best to discredit the memo rather than Nunes at this point. This just seems to validate that Nunes maybe on to something.

Nunes already discredited himself with that "improper unmasking" conspiracy months ago. That information he ran to the WH with that came from the WH.

 

[Jhhnn]

Bullshit

Over the entire 33-year period, the FISA court granted 33,942 warrants, with only 12 denials – a rejection rate of 0.03 percent of the total requests. This does not include the number of warrants that were modified by the FISA court.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court

So what? That doesn't indicate any malfeasance on the part of the FBI.

 

[HomerJS]

Bullshit

Over the entire 33-year period, the FISA court granted 33,942 warrants, with only 12 denials – a rejection rate of 0.03 percent of the total requests. This does not include the number of warrants that were modified by the FISA court.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court

That doesn't mean they were improperly handed out. It means the diligence was done before taking request to a judge.

If it was so easy to get a warrant why did Bush try to bypass the FISA court?

 

[brycejones]

Bullshit

Over the entire 33-year period, the FISA court granted 33,942 warrants, with only 12 denials – a rejection rate of 0.03 percent of the total requests. This does not include the number of warrants that were modified by the FISA court.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court

less than 34000 requests over 33 years sounds like the standards being applied by law enforcement BEFORE they even ask for one are pretty high. So much for the argument you made earlier that they are being handed out like candy.

 

[UglyCasanova]

That doesn't mean they were improperly handed out. It means the diligence was done before taking request to a judge.

If it was so easy to get a warrant why did Bush try to bypass the FISA court?

Riiiiiight....

 

[K1052]

Bullshit

Over the entire 33-year period, the FISA court granted 33,942 warrants, with only 12 denials – a rejection rate of 0.03 percent of the total requests. This does not include the number of warrants that were modified by the FISA court.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court

Once again issues with the FISA process should have been addressed during the legislative push to reauthorize the program. Nothing, at all, about this dance indicates that the Nunes memo originates from any genuine interest in oversight rather than naked political maneuvering to benefit Trump.

 

[UglyCasanova]

less than 34000 requests over 33 years sounds like the standards being applied by law enforcement BEFORE they even ask for one are pretty high. So much for the argument you made earlier that they are being handed out like candy.

Haha whatever y'all want to believe. Black Lives Matter people are full of shit too because high police standards and all.

 

[HomerJS]

Riiiiiight....

Try answering my question instead of derping.

 

[fskimospy]

Bullshit

Over the entire 33-year period, the FISA court granted 33,942 warrants, with only 12 denials – a rejection rate of 0.03 percent of the total requests. This does not include the number of warrants that were modified by the FISA court.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court

Very misleading statistic and I don't think you thought this through. Search warrant applications in general are almost never denied, precisely because those seeking the warrant don't submit marginal applications. If an application is insufficient judges usually do not deny them, they return them to the prosecutors/agency demanding further evidence or clarification.

The question you should be asking yourself is how FISA compares to regular courts, and if anything it appears FISA is TOUGHER than them. From 2006 through 2016 federal courts fielded 32,090 intercept requests and rejected only 9.

http://www.uscourts.gov/statistics/table/wire-7/wiretap/2016/12/31

Are you now claiming that the entire US federal court system is somehow illegitimate?

 

[Jhhnn]

Haha whatever y'all want to believe. Black Lives Matter people are full of shit too because high police standards and all.

Attempted duh-version noted.

 

[HomerJS]

Haha whatever y'all want to believe. Black Lives Matter people are full of shit too because high police standards and all.

Except we have evidence everyone can see. Because of Republicans people are not allowed to review FISA warrants. Now Republicans are bitching about the system they created.

 

[brycejones]

Haha whatever y'all want to believe. Black Lives Matter people are full of shit too because high police standards and all.

Well that is a lame attempt at duhflection.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Except we have evidence everyone can see. Because of Republicans people are not allowed to review FISA warrants. Now Republicans are bitching about the system they created.

I'm not a Republican and sure I'm bitching about FISA courts which are a sham and the NSA which is 1984-esque. The system never should have been created, stuff like the Patriot Act never passed. But I'm not partisan and naive enough to say 0.03 isn't a complete farce because really high integrity of police officers before presenting. That's absurd and you all know it.

 

[HomerJS]

I'm not a Republican and sure I'm bitching about FISA courts which are a sham and the NSA which is 1984-esque. The system never should have been created, stuff like the Patriot Act never passed. But I'm not partisan and naive enough to say 0.03 isn't a complete farce because really high integrity of police officers before presenting. That's absurd and you all know it.

Again, if it were that easy Bush wouldn't have tried to bypass it.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm not a Republican and sure I'm bitching about FISA courts which are a sham and the NSA which is 1984-esque. The system never should have been created, stuff like the Patriot Act never passed. But I'm not partisan and naive enough to say 0.03 isn't a complete farce because really high integrity of police officers before presenting. That's absurd and you all know it.

So to be clear then you consider the entire federal court system to be a sham as their denial rate is .028%, lower than FISA's.

 

[brycejones]

So to be clear then you consider the entire federal court system to be a sham as their denial rate is .028%, lower than FISA's.

Its like he skipped right past your response.....

 

[HomerJS]

So to be clear then you consider the entire federal court system to be a sham as their denial rate is .028%, lower than FISA's.

Things that make you go hmmmmm

 

[IronWing]

It's almost like the FBI and Justice Dept figured out what they needed to provide the court to get a warrant, like they based their submissions on experiences with court acceptance and rejection. Who would have thought that people could learn from experience or history? Weird.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm not a Republican and sure I'm bitching about FISA courts which are a sham and the NSA which is 1984-esque. The system never should have been created, stuff like the Patriot Act never passed. But I'm not partisan and naive enough to say 0.03 isn't a complete farce because really high integrity of police officers before presenting. That's absurd and you all know it.

If FISA courts are a specific sham, perhaps you would like to respond to what eski posted about their standards compared to regular courts?

Very misleading statistic and I don't think you thought this through. Search warrant applications in general are almost never denied, precisely because those seeking the warrant don't submit marginal applications. If an application is insufficient judges usually do not deny them, they return them to the prosecutors/agency demanding further evidence or clarification.

The question you should be asking yourself is how FISA compares to regular courts, and if anything it appears FISA is TOUGHER than them. From 2006 through 2016 federal courts fielded 32,090 intercept requests and rejected only 9.

http://www.uscourts.gov/statistics/table/wire-7/wiretap/2016/12/31

Are you now claiming that the entire US federal court system is somehow illegitimate?

 

[zinfamous]

It's almost like the FBI and Justice Dept figured out what they needed to provide the court to get a warrant, like they based their submissions on experiences with court acceptance and rejection. Who would have thought that people could learn from experience or history? Weird.

impossible. No one is to be trusted; unless they make me smile.