Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

[HomerJS]

Where’d I say that

You are inferring the FISA warrant was invalid. That conclusion is supposed to be part of this report. You know the one you haven't seen yet.

Remember the initial warrant on CP was issued long before he was on Trump's team.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Even if remotely true maybe the current congress and president shouldn't have just reauthorized FISA as is if they were truly concerned about abuse.

This is entirely a political game.

You’re right hey shouldn’t have, doesn’t change the fact the FISA courts are and have been a given and not doing their jobs.

 

[HomerJS]

Posting tweets from a known serial liar is bad for your reputation. You may want to reconsider.

 

[HomerJS]

You’re right hey shouldn’t have, doesn’t change the fact the FISA courts are and have been a given and not doing their jobs.

Again, zero evidence. Typical Trump playbook

 

[fskimospy]

You’re right hey shouldn’t have, doesn’t change the fact the FISA courts are and have been a given and not doing their jobs.

And yet even if that’s the case they are making zero effort to change the law. You know, something that would actually address that issue. Gee, I wonder why. It’s almost as if they have no problem with it so long as it’s not being used to investigate republicans.

Ethics charges. We need more ethics charges. Let’s clean out the corruption in congress and the White House.

 

[HomerJS]

Here's Devin Nunes on the re-authorization of the very same FISA law he will bitch about in this so called report...

http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/st...pocrite-vote-reauthorize-fisa-law/1069553001/

 

[UNCjigga]

You’re right hey shouldn’t have, doesn’t change the fact the FISA courts are and have been a given and not doing their jobs.

If what you're saying is true, then Republicans are guilty of the biggest political con job wrt to FISA--they timed the whole #releasethememo campaign for AFTER a critical FISA reauthorization vote. That memo has been in Nunes back pocket since last fall, but heaven forbid the public get wind of these FISA courts being "rubber stamps" until after Congress gets reauthorization, right?

 

[zinfamous]

I get that and the GOP are being little shits about it. Release it all. Everything. Today.

why don't you understand that they can't release it all? Repubs are trying to release a 4 page memo that "summarizes" a 40+ page (80 page?) intelligence report. It was controversial within their own circles. It is hand-crafted by a dingleberry that was already breaching trust and protocol by sharing internal investigative information with the WH, whom he was investigating.

Releasing it all, in full context, means releasing the actual intelligence report that hasn't been edited for maximum retard effect. Of course that will never happen.

 

[HomerJS]

Haha. Just realized my eyes tricked me for a split second when thought I saw in the thread title...

release the Kraker. Then I thought, didn't that happen last election day??

 

[fskimospy]

Here's Devin Nunes on the re-authorization of the very same FISA law he will bitch about in this so called report...

http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/st...pocrite-vote-reauthorize-fisa-law/1069553001/

You have to remember that Nunes has no problem with the law generally. His issue is that it’s being used to investigate criminal activity by Republicans.

It would be very satisfying if Republicans’ corrupt attempt to weed out fake corruption in the FBI were to end up cleaning out their corruption in Congress and the White House.

 

[zinfamous]

No I don’t have to admit that. By all accounts it’s definitely something.

gaslighting works. You have taken it in. It's "definitely something" because this notion has been bashed into your head for 2 weeks now. It is as simple as that.

 

[zinfamous]

Trump lies in his tweets. what's new?

 

[interchange]

One final thing. There are claims Obama's justice department used FISA to spy on Trump's team. Carter Paige was being surveiled long before Trump brought him on the team. In fact if Trump had done his due diligence Carter would never have been chosen. He was hastily brought on the team because there was pressure to show he had a foreign policy team ready to go.

The entire Republican protective narrative of Trump being unfairly investigated is entirely countered by the fact that he hired multiple people that were known or suspected to be shady as foreign agents and have subsequently lied about it. If the Steele dossier never existed, an investigation is otherwise well-substantiated.

They are building a straw-man. Because it's a piss-poor straw man, it's drawing a lot of attention to attack the argument. Unfortunately, that takes our attention away from the argument itself being irrelevant.

 

[K1052]

You’re right hey shouldn’t have, doesn’t change the fact the FISA courts are and have been a given and not doing their jobs.

That's an assertion not backed up by fact. If people think the FISA process iteslf should be investigated then fine. That's not what this memo is.

 

[zinfamous]

That’s the whole thing though, FISA warrants are handed out like candy. They didn’t need anything other than the dossier.

what are you talking about? They had a guy that was already under surveillance.

Also, you have to accept the fact that admitting Trump's people are on tape means that others under surveillance: Russian intelligence, ambassadors, etc, are the one's talking to Trump and his people. Trump's team is on tape because their contacts were being watched.

That is why this is called Stupid Watergate. These people are fucking stupid. Don't be stupid with them and ignore the plain truth.

 

[HomerJS]

gaslighting works. You have taken it in. It's "definitely something" because this notion has been bashed into your head for 2 weeks now. It is as simple as that.

I bet he doesn't even know it

 

[Jhhnn]

The simple fact that the memo needs a lot of pre-release hoopla indicates that this is the usual highly contrived GOP con job. The fact that known Russian trolls & bots are pushing the hashtag very hard must also mean... no collusion, right?

 

[pauldun170]

You have to remember that Nunes has no problem with the law generally. His issue is that it’s being used to investigate criminal activity by Republicans.

It would be very satisfying if Republicans’ corrupt attempt to weed out fake corruption in the FBI were to end up cleaning out their corruption in Congress and the White House.

The publicity tour underway by fellow republicans seems to indicate that this memo's purpose is not highlight wrong doing by the FBI.
It's to shape public opinion to undermine confidence in the FBI in order to reduce impact to the party when Mueller wraps things up.

When headlines on NYT, WSJ, Washinton Post, BBCNews, NPR and every other big name reports on Muellers findings, FoxNews will be pushing the story that FBI is shady and the FoxNews headlines will be "FBI texts prove them to be Pelosi stooges?"

 

[dyna]

There will be plenty of time for people to counter the intel in the memo. Releasing the info is really at the detriment to the Repubs if it is 1) Proven Untrue 2) Doesn't achieve the Democrats/FBI corrupt message.

If there are Watergate like revelations, for the good of the country there should be a mole hunt and another Mueller style investigation into exposing the perpetrators.

 

[HomerJS]

There will be plenty of time for people to counter the intel in the memo. Releasing the info is really at the detriment to the Repubs if it is 1) Proven Untrue 2) Doesn't achieve the Democrats/FBI corrupt message.

If there are Watergate like revelations, for the good of the country there should be a mole hunt and another Mueller style investigation into exposing the perpetrators.

Whoever is first to the table controls the narrative. How did the Obama birther thing manage to stick for years??

 

[IronWing]

We're in Stewox country now.

 

[fskimospy]

Here's an interesting perspective from one of Nunes's former Republican colleagues in the House and a current Trump supporter. Basically his claim is that Nunes has been a worthless partisan hack for his entire career.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ch-how-i-remember-him/?utm_term=.898293c46383

The congressional intelligence committees traditionally function as some of the least partisan committees — as they should. Oversight for security threats to this country is too great a responsibility to let committee business devolve into finger-pointing and score-settling along party lines, but that’s exactly where the level of discourse has gone under Nunes’s “leadership.” He’s not searching for truth, he’s running interference for the White House, abdicating his role as a member of a coequal branch of government, dragging his fellow committee members down with him and exposing House leadership as ineffectual and foolish.

My Republican colleagues would be screaming bloody murder if Russia, or any foreign government, was suspected of helping Hillary Clinton become president. If Chairman Nunes can’t lead them out of this sad of hypocrisy, it means he’s putting party over country. I’ll be disappointed. But not surprised.

We're still waiting for conservatives on here to put country before party. I'm not aware of a single one that has come out and condemned Nunes's behavior though. Tribe rules all.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I'll believe the sincerity of the concerns expressed by people when they step down as a result of the release. Wray can say how bad an idea it is all he wants. If he stays that is what speaks volumes.

 

[dyna]

Here's an interesting perspective from one of Nunes's former Republican colleagues in the House and a current Trump supporter. Basically his claim is that Nunes has been a worthless partisan hack for his entire career.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ch-how-i-remember-him/?utm_term=.898293c46383





We're still waiting for conservatives on here to put country before party. I'm not aware of a single one that has come out and condemned Nunes's behavior though. Tribe rules all.

Its probably best to discredit the memo rather than Nunes at this point. This just seems to validate that Nunes maybe on to something.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

And the fustercluck continues.

https://secondnexus.com/news/gop-se...2&tse_id=INF_59ef36c0082d11e8ae24f1904b59aaad

Senators John Thune, Susan Collins, Jeff Flake, Lindsey Graham Warn White House Over Nunes Memo