Recount in Ohio A Sure Thing

[TastesLikeChicken]

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The ranking Democratic member of the House Judiciary Committee, Representative John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, plans to ask the Federal Bureau of Investigation and a county prosecutor in Ohio today to explore "inappropriate and likely illegal election tampering" in at least one and perhaps several Ohio counties.

The request for an investigation, made in a letter that was also provided to The New York Times, includes accounts from at least two county employees, but is based largely on a sworn affidavit provided by the Hocking County deputy director of elections, Sherole Eaton.

Among other things, Ms. Eaton says in her affidavit that a representative of Triad Governmental Systems, the Ohio firm that created and maintains the vote-counting software in dozens of Ohio counties, made several adjustments to the Hocking County tabulator last Friday, in advance of the state's recount, which is taking place this week.

Ohio recount rules require that only 3 percent of a county's votes be tallied by hand, and typically one or more whole precincts are selected and combined to get the 3 percent sample. After the hand count, the sample is fed into the tabulator. If there is no discrepancy, the remaining ballots can be counted by the machine. Otherwise, a hand recount must be done for the whole county.

Ms. Eaton contends that the Triad employee asked which precinct Hocking County planned to count as its representative 3 percent, and, upon being told, made further adjustments to the machine.

County officials decided to use a different precinct when the recount was done yesterday. No discrepancies were found.

"This is pretty outrageous," Mr. Conyers said. "We want to pursue it as vigorously as we can."

But Brett Rapp, the president of Triad, said that although it would be unusual for an employee to ask about a specific precinct, preparing the machines for a recount was standard procedure and was done in all 41 counties where Triad handles vote counts. He added that he welcomed any investigation.

"I've been doing this since 1985, and in all my experience this is the first time that we have had any complaints whatsoever," Mr. Rapp said.

Damn. Another L3 (Loonie Liberal Left) conspiracy theory goes right down the tubes.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
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The ranking Democratic member of the House Judiciary Committee, Representative John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, plans to ask the Federal Bureau of Investigation and a county prosecutor in Ohio today to explore "inappropriate and likely illegal election tampering" in at least one and perhaps several Ohio counties.

The request for an investigation, made in a letter that was also provided to The New York Times, includes accounts from at least two county employees, but is based largely on a sworn affidavit provided by the Hocking County deputy director of elections, Sherole Eaton.

Among other things, Ms. Eaton says in her affidavit that a representative of Triad Governmental Systems, the Ohio firm that created and maintains the vote-counting software in dozens of Ohio counties, made several adjustments to the Hocking County tabulator last Friday, in advance of the state's recount, which is taking place this week.

Ohio recount rules require that only 3 percent of a county's votes be tallied by hand, and typically one or more whole precincts are selected and combined to get the 3 percent sample. After the hand count, the sample is fed into the tabulator. If there is no discrepancy, the remaining ballots can be counted by the machine. Otherwise, a hand recount must be done for the whole county.

Ms. Eaton contends that the Triad employee asked which precinct Hocking County planned to count as its representative 3 percent, and, upon being told, made further adjustments to the machine.

County officials decided to use a different precinct when the recount was done yesterday. No discrepancies were found.

"This is pretty outrageous," Mr. Conyers said. "We want to pursue it as vigorously as we can."

But Brett Rapp, the president of Triad, said that although it would be unusual for an employee to ask about a specific precinct, preparing the machines for a recount was standard procedure and was done in all 41 counties where Triad handles vote counts. He added that he welcomed any investigation.

"I've been doing this since 1985, and in all my experience this is the first time that we have had any complaints whatsoever," Mr. Rapp said.

Damn. Another L3 (Loonie Liberal Left) conspiracy theory goes right down the tubes.

Imagine that. Operatives come in before the recount and rebuild machines, offer suggestions on how to match the vote perfectly, then move on to the next precinct...and voila!, the recount comes out exactly as the machines say they should. :roll:

A representative from Triad Systems came into a county board of elections office un-announced. He said he was just stopping by to see if they had any questions about the up-coming recount. He then headed into the back room where the Triad supplied Tabulator (a card reader and older PC with custom software) is kept. He told them there was a problem and the system had a bad battery and had "lost all of its data". He then took the computer apart and started swapping parts in and out of it and another "spare" tower type PC also in the room. He may have had spare parts in his coat as one of the BOE people moved it and remarked as to how very heavy it was. He finally re-assembled everything and said it was working but to not turn it off.

He then asked which precinct would be counted for the 3% recount test, and the one which had been selected as it had the right number of votes, was relayed to him. He then went back and did something else to the tabulator computer.

The Triad Systems representative suggested that since the hand count had to match the machine count exactly, and since it would be hard to memorize the several numbers which would be needed to get the count to come out exactly right, that they should post this series of numbers on the wall where they would not be noticed by observers. He suggested making them look like employee information or something similar. The people doing the hand count could then just report these numbers no matter what the actual count of the ballots revealed. This would then "match" the tabulator report for this precinct exactly. The numbers were apparently the final certified counts for the selected precinct.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
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The ranking Democratic member of the House Judiciary Committee, Representative John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, plans to ask the Federal Bureau of Investigation and a county prosecutor in Ohio today to explore "inappropriate and likely illegal election tampering" in at least one and perhaps several Ohio counties.

The request for an investigation, made in a letter that was also provided to The New York Times, includes accounts from at least two county employees, but is based largely on a sworn affidavit provided by the Hocking County deputy director of elections, Sherole Eaton.

Among other things, Ms. Eaton says in her affidavit that a representative of Triad Governmental Systems, the Ohio firm that created and maintains the vote-counting software in dozens of Ohio counties, made several adjustments to the Hocking County tabulator last Friday, in advance of the state's recount, which is taking place this week.

Ohio recount rules require that only 3 percent of a county's votes be tallied by hand, and typically one or more whole precincts are selected and combined to get the 3 percent sample. After the hand count, the sample is fed into the tabulator. If there is no discrepancy, the remaining ballots can be counted by the machine. Otherwise, a hand recount must be done for the whole county.

Ms. Eaton contends that the Triad employee asked which precinct Hocking County planned to count as its representative 3 percent, and, upon being told, made further adjustments to the machine.

County officials decided to use a different precinct when the recount was done yesterday. No discrepancies were found.

"This is pretty outrageous," Mr. Conyers said. "We want to pursue it as vigorously as we can."

But Brett Rapp, the president of Triad, said that although it would be unusual for an employee to ask about a specific precinct, preparing the machines for a recount was standard procedure and was done in all 41 counties where Triad handles vote counts. He added that he welcomed any investigation.

"I've been doing this since 1985, and in all my experience this is the first time that we have had any complaints whatsoever," Mr. Rapp said.

Damn. Another L3 (Loonie Liberal Left) conspiracy theory goes right down the tubes.

Imagine that. Operatives come in before the recount and rebuild machines, offer suggestions on how to match the vote perfectly, then move on to the next precinct...and voila!, the recount comes out exactly as the machines say they should. :roll:

A representative from Triad Systems came into a county board of elections office un-announced. He said he was just stopping by to see if they had any questions about the up-coming recount. He then headed into the back room where the Triad supplied Tabulator (a card reader and older PC with custom software) is kept. He told them there was a problem and the system had a bad battery and had "lost all of its data". He then took the computer apart and started swapping parts in and out of it and another "spare" tower type PC also in the room. He may have had spare parts in his coat as one of the BOE people moved it and remarked as to how very heavy it was. He finally re-assembled everything and said it was working but to not turn it off.

He then asked which precinct would be counted for the 3% recount test, and the one which had been selected as it had the right number of votes, was relayed to him. He then went back and did something else to the tabulator computer.

The Triad Systems representative suggested that since the hand count had to match the machine count exactly, and since it would be hard to memorize the several numbers which would be needed to get the count to come out exactly right, that they should post this series of numbers on the wall where they would not be noticed by observers. He suggested making them look like employee information or something similar. The people doing the hand count could then just report these numbers no matter what the actual count of the ballots revealed. This would then "match" the tabulator report for this precinct exactly. The numbers were apparently the final certified counts for the selected precinct.

Zoinks! :Q

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
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The ranking Democratic member of the House Judiciary Committee, Representative John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, plans to ask the Federal Bureau of Investigation and a county prosecutor in Ohio today to explore "inappropriate and likely illegal election tampering" in at least one and perhaps several Ohio counties.

The request for an investigation, made in a letter that was also provided to The New York Times, includes accounts from at least two county employees, but is based largely on a sworn affidavit provided by the Hocking County deputy director of elections, Sherole Eaton.

Among other things, Ms. Eaton says in her affidavit that a representative of Triad Governmental Systems, the Ohio firm that created and maintains the vote-counting software in dozens of Ohio counties, made several adjustments to the Hocking County tabulator last Friday, in advance of the state's recount, which is taking place this week.

Ohio recount rules require that only 3 percent of a county's votes be tallied by hand, and typically one or more whole precincts are selected and combined to get the 3 percent sample. After the hand count, the sample is fed into the tabulator. If there is no discrepancy, the remaining ballots can be counted by the machine. Otherwise, a hand recount must be done for the whole county.

Ms. Eaton contends that the Triad employee asked which precinct Hocking County planned to count as its representative 3 percent, and, upon being told, made further adjustments to the machine.

County officials decided to use a different precinct when the recount was done yesterday. No discrepancies were found.

"This is pretty outrageous," Mr. Conyers said. "We want to pursue it as vigorously as we can."

But Brett Rapp, the president of Triad, said that although it would be unusual for an employee to ask about a specific precinct, preparing the machines for a recount was standard procedure and was done in all 41 counties where Triad handles vote counts. He added that he welcomed any investigation.

"I've been doing this since 1985, and in all my experience this is the first time that we have had any complaints whatsoever," Mr. Rapp said.

Damn. Another L3 (Loonie Liberal Left) conspiracy theory goes right down the tubes.

Imagine that. Operatives come in before the recount and rebuild machines, offer suggestions on how to match the vote perfectly, then move on to the next precinct...and voila!, the recount comes out exactly as the machines say they should. :roll:

A representative from Triad Systems came into a county board of elections office un-announced. He said he was just stopping by to see if they had any questions about the up-coming recount. He then headed into the back room where the Triad supplied Tabulator (a card reader and older PC with custom software) is kept. He told them there was a problem and the system had a bad battery and had "lost all of its data". He then took the computer apart and started swapping parts in and out of it and another "spare" tower type PC also in the room. He may have had spare parts in his coat as one of the BOE people moved it and remarked as to how very heavy it was. He finally re-assembled everything and said it was working but to not turn it off.

He then asked which precinct would be counted for the 3% recount test, and the one which had been selected as it had the right number of votes, was relayed to him. He then went back and did something else to the tabulator computer.

The Triad Systems representative suggested that since the hand count had to match the machine count exactly, and since it would be hard to memorize the several numbers which would be needed to get the count to come out exactly right, that they should post this series of numbers on the wall where they would not be noticed by observers. He suggested making them look like employee information or something similar. The people doing the hand count could then just report these numbers no matter what the actual count of the ballots revealed. This would then "match" the tabulator report for this precinct exactly. The numbers were apparently the final certified counts for the selected precinct.

And?

Since you feel a need to repost something that you already posted, I will do the same:

County officials decided to use a different precinct when the recount was done yesterday. No discrepancies were found.


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But Brett Rapp, the president of Triad, said that although it would be unusual for an employee to ask about a specific precinct, preparing the machines for a recount was standard procedure and was done in all 41 counties where Triad handles vote counts. He added that he welcomed any investigation.

Nothing to see here folks, other than tin-foil being applied to the heads of some and their eyes furtively darting about for the black helicopters.

 

[BBond]

A Triad technician rebuilt a machine after informing election workers that it had lost all its data, then gave instructions on how to arrive at the desired numbers. Little wonder the few recounts have arrived at the desired number.

Plenty to see here, folks. Don't forget your tin-foil hats...and watch out for those black helicopters, they have the name "TRIAD" or "BUSH 2004" written on their sides.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: BBond
A Triad technician rebuilt a machine after informing election workers that it had lost all its data, then gave instructions on how to arrive at the desired numbers. Little wonder the few recounts have arrived at the desired number.

Plenty to see here, folks. Don't forget your tin-foil hats...and watch out for those black helicopters, they have the name "TRIAD" or "BUSH 2004" written on their sides.

Except they subsequently used a different precinct than the one they told the Triad tech about, and there were no discrepancies found anyway. But hey, let's ignore those inconvenient little facts. Why let facts mess up a perfectly good conspiracy theory?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: burnedout
**Breaking News**

Ohio Judge Rules Punch-Card Voting Fair

Ohio Judge Rules Punch-Card Voting Fair

1 hour, 20 minutes ago

AKRON, Ohio - Voting rights are not denied to those who use punch-card ballots, a federal judge ruled in the nation's first trial to challenge the system blamed for woes in Florida in the 2000 presidential election. . . .

**Film at Eleven**

Ok, then that rules out the vast discrepency of "spoiled" votes in Dem vs. Rep precincts being due to "mechanical error", so what's left?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: burnedout
**Breaking News**

Ohio Judge Rules Punch-Card Voting Fair

Ohio Judge Rules Punch-Card Voting Fair

1 hour, 20 minutes ago

AKRON, Ohio - Voting rights are not denied to those who use punch-card ballots, a federal judge ruled in the nation's first trial to challenge the system blamed for woes in Florida in the 2000 presidential election. . . .

**Film at Eleven**

Ok, then that rules out the vast discrepency of "spoiled" votes in Dem vs. Rep precincts being due to "mechanical error", so what's left?

Keep trying to find something to hang their hopes on that later on can not be debunked.
Hersay and FUD works great. (See FLA 2000)

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: burnedout
**Breaking News**

Ohio Judge Rules Punch-Card Voting Fair

Ohio Judge Rules Punch-Card Voting Fair

1 hour, 20 minutes ago

AKRON, Ohio - Voting rights are not denied to those who use punch-card ballots, a federal judge ruled in the nation's first trial to challenge the system blamed for woes in Florida in the 2000 presidential election. . . .

**Film at Eleven**

Ok, then that rules out the vast discrepency of "spoiled" votes in Dem vs. Rep precincts being due to "mechanical error", so what's left?

Keep trying to find something to hang their hopes on that later on can not be debunked.
Hersay and FUD works great. (See FLA 2000)

You didn't debunk a f'in thing. Go away. You have absolutely no concept of which you type.

Edit: You know what you freepers, why don't you find evidence that the Dem precincts DIDN'T have a much higher presence of "spoiled" votes than Rep precincts? C'mon, do it or STFU!

Or better yet, why don't you explain how that the vast majority of nearly 100,000 ballots that didn't have a Presidential vote were in, guess what, Dem precincts.... particularly in African-American communities...

Oh wow, one more thing.... a newspaper in Florida did a full (not a partial one that was contested by Gore v. Bush) recount of the 2000 election... Gore won.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: burnedout
**Breaking News**

Ohio Judge Rules Punch-Card Voting Fair

Ohio Judge Rules Punch-Card Voting Fair

1 hour, 20 minutes ago

AKRON, Ohio - Voting rights are not denied to those who use punch-card ballots, a federal judge ruled in the nation's first trial to challenge the system blamed for woes in Florida in the 2000 presidential election. . . .

**Film at Eleven**

Ok, then that rules out the vast discrepency of "spoiled" votes in Dem vs. Rep precincts being due to "mechanical error", so what's left?

I think the Democrats have whittled it down to the underpants gnomes now. Like Holmes said, "When you eliminate all the..."

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: burnedout
**Breaking News**

Ohio Judge Rules Punch-Card Voting Fair

Ohio Judge Rules Punch-Card Voting Fair

1 hour, 20 minutes ago

AKRON, Ohio - Voting rights are not denied to those who use punch-card ballots, a federal judge ruled in the nation's first trial to challenge the system blamed for woes in Florida in the 2000 presidential election. . . .

**Film at Eleven**

Ok, then that rules out the vast discrepency of "spoiled" votes in Dem vs. Rep precincts being due to "mechanical error", so what's left?

I think the Democrats have whittled it down to the underpants gnomes now. Like Holmes said, "When you eliminate all the..."

So I take that as you have no answer, so you make a childish remark... ah heck off.

 

[burnedout]

**Breaking News**

Ohio Justice Throws Out Election Challenge - AP via Yahoo

By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, Associated Press Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio - The Ohio Supreme Court's chief justice on Thursday threw out a challenge to the state's presidential election results.

A lawyer for the voters bringing the case said he would refile the challenge as early as Friday.

Chief Justice Thomas Moyer ruled that the request improperly challenged two separate election results. Ohio law only allows one race to be challenged in a single complaint, he said.

The challenge was backed by the Rev. Jesse Jackson (news - web sites) and Cliff Arnebeck, a Columbus attorney for the Massachusetts-based Alliance for Democracy, who accused Bush's campaign of "high-tech vote stealing." . . . . . . .

**Film at Eleven**

 

[Michael]

Darkhawk28 - Actually, one allegation after another is being debunked. Reasoning people see it no problem. You're so blinded by your agenda that logic and reasonable explanations pass right through you without any effect.

You're good at telling other people they;re dumb and to stop postings. Look in the mirror.

Michael

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Michael
Darkhawk28 - Actually, one allegation after another is being debunked. Reasoning people see it no problem. You're so blinded by your agenda that logic and reasonable explanations pass right through you without any effect.

You're good at telling other people they;re dumb and to stop postings. Look in the mirror.

Michael

Link, proof or shutup.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: Michael
Darkhawk28 - Actually, one allegation after another is being debunked. Reasoning people see it no problem. You're so blinded by your agenda that logic and reasonable explanations pass right through you without any effect.

You're good at telling other people they;re dumb and to stop postings. Look in the mirror.

Michael

Well as far as the Ohio judge throwing out the Election Challenge, that has nothing to do with debunking, that is a simple technicality. Maybe you should look in the mirror too. I myself am happy to sit back and just see what happens.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: burnedout
**Breaking News**

Ohio Justice Throws Out Election Challenge - AP via Yahoo

By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, Associated Press Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio - The Ohio Supreme Court's chief justice on Thursday threw out a challenge to the state's presidential election results.

A lawyer for the voters bringing the case said he would refile the challenge as early as Friday.

Chief Justice Thomas Moyer ruled that the request improperly challenged two separate election results. Ohio law only allows one race to be challenged in a single complaint, he said.

The challenge was backed by the Rev. Jesse Jackson (news - web sites) and Cliff Arnebeck, a Columbus attorney for the Massachusetts-based Alliance for Democracy, who accused Bush's campaign of "high-tech vote stealing." . . . . . . .

**Film at Eleven**

Actually, it wasn't "thrown out" per se, it can be re-filed when they seperate the suits to one race at a time. The Ohio Chief Justice had a conflict of interest because one of the races being disputed was HIS. It was a "serve". It'll be refiled.

 

[Michael]

darkhawk28 - The link would be this thread URL. There are planty of outside sources debunking the various "theories" that have been put forward. I don't think you've acknowledged even one of them. So there's your proof. Wait, I'm sorry, you don't accept anything that shows how far from reality your claims are.

Michael

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Michael
darkhawk28 - The link would be this thread URL. There are planty of outside sources debunking the various "theories" that have been put forward. I don't think you've acknowledged even one of them. So there's your proof. Wait, I'm sorry, you don't accept anything that shows how far from reality your claims are.

Michael

OMG LOL!!! :laugh:

 

[Michael]

Darkhawk28 - I'm glad to see that you have finally realized what a joke you and your claims are.

Michael

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: burnedout
**Breaking News**

Ohio Judge Rules Punch-Card Voting Fair

Ohio Judge Rules Punch-Card Voting Fair

1 hour, 20 minutes ago

AKRON, Ohio - Voting rights are not denied to those who use punch-card ballots, a federal judge ruled in the nation's first trial to challenge the system blamed for woes in Florida in the 2000 presidential election. . . .

**Film at Eleven**

Ok, then that rules out the vast discrepency of "spoiled" votes in Dem vs. Rep precincts being due to "mechanical error", so what's left?

I think the Democrats have whittled it down to the underpants gnomes now. Like Holmes said, "When you eliminate all the..."

So I take that as you have no answer, so you make a childish remark... ah heck off.

I guess it's not only the Republicans with no sense of humor, eh?

Thank gawd for the funny Independents.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Michael
Darkhawk28 - I'm glad to see that you have finally realized what a joke you and your claims are.

Michael

I'm the joke? You've offered NO supporting evidence, NO factual content, NOTHING. You're nothing but a troll and not worth my time.

 

[BBond]

There are documented voting irregualrities from several states which demand investigation. America, this so-called leader of the free world democracy, held an election as crooked as the election held in the Ukraine or worse. The people who orchestrated the voting irregularities here in the USA had the alacrity to demand new elections in the Ukraine while ignoring the same irregularities, and worse, right here at home in the land of the free. Do any of you people who continue to support Bush, no matter what the reality of any situation, realize how hypocritical the U.S. looks when we hold democracies to a standard that we ourselves intentionally ignore?

 

[Alistar7]

Any individual that commits election fraud should be fully prosecuted under the law, and in the case of organized fraud the higher the chain of command, the more severe the punishment. I don't care if it's Bush, Cheney, kerry, or the local volunteer at the polls. They should be tried for treason.....

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Any individual that commits election fraud should be fully prosecuted under the law, and in the case of organized fraud the higher the chain of command, the more severe the punishment. I don't care if it's Bush, Cheney, kerry, or the local volunteer at the polls. They should be tried for treason.....

:thumbsup::beer:

 

[BBond]

Ohio Voters Refile Election Challenge

By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS
Associated Press Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Voters who claim problems with Ohio voting machines Nov. 2 indicated fraud refiled a request with the Ohio Supreme Court on Friday to overturn the presidential results.

The 37 voters cite reports of machine errors, double-counting of some ballots and a shortage of voting machines in predominantly minority precincts as reasons to throw out the election results.

The challenge is backed by the Rev. Jesse Jackson and Cliff Arnebeck, a Columbus attorney for the Massachusetts-based Alliance for Democracy, who accused the campaign of President Bush of "high-tech vote stealing."

The group filed the request Monday, the day the Electoral College cast votes for Bush. Chief Justice Thomas Moyer of the state Supreme Court threw out the complaint Thursday, saying the voters improperly included a second election challenge in the complaint.

Ohio and its 20 electoral votes were the difference in the presidential race. On Dec. 6, Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell declared President Bush the official winner in the state by 119,000 votes over Democrat John Kerry.

Elections officials are conducting a recount at the request of third-party presidential candidates, but neither the Bush nor Kerry campaigns expect it to change the outcome.

With 65 of Ohio's 88 counties reporting final recounts to The Associated Press on Friday, Bush had gained 395 votes and Kerry has gained 554 votes. The running tally accounts for 4.4 million votes cast, or about 74 percent of the total certified vote from the Nov. 2 election.

Officials said hanging chads that came loose when punch-card ballots were handled again or rerun through tallying machines account for most of the additional votes.