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nehalem256 said:
Funny all of your lefty friends are afraid to answer that question.
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"No" means NO you misogynist ghoul. I don't care how willing she seems. If you are ever in the position getting intimate with a woman (which I doubt) and she gets cold feet and said "no" and you can't control yourself like a normal person and force yourself on her, you are a threat to their well being and need to seek professional help.
 
Atreus21 said:
Well, from a strictly practical point of view, since sex is less risky for men (who cannot get pregnant), violating a woman's consent is a greater violation.

Secondly, men have more overt power to resist. Though your girlfriend might've gone against your express wishes, you most likely can remove her by force. In general, women probably cannot easily rebuff a man in a contest of physical strength.
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There's also the fact that a man who isn't in the mood is probably not going to have a member hard enough for the woman to impale herself on.
 
uh, theres no such thing as "raping" a chick youve already had


P&N is the place for highly controversia and even "out there" opinions, but yours crosses the line of crazy into felony territory.

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nehalem256 said:
What intimidation was even hinted at by the woman?



Problem with you argument is that men are basically just as likely to be abused.

You are engaged in simple hysteria.
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Really? Why don't you explain to us the "typical scenario" where an unwilling man can be forced to have sexual intercourse by a woman? Explain to us the "typical scenario" where an intoxicated and half-conscious man can be "taken advantage of" by a woman?
 
Matt1970 said:
Seeing as how you think a girl letting a guy take her pajamas and panties off and have sex with her without trying to stop him is rape, I guess it is.
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I think it depends on the situation: Suppose the woman is intoxicated and half passed out. The man tries to take off her clothes. She says "No!" and weakly tries to brush his hands away. He stops, then after a few minutes, when the woman is clearly even further out of hit, he tries again, and the woman doesn't respond or makes a weak protest, but doesn't offer much resistance. So he proceeds to take off her clothes and has sex with her.

You think this is just fine and dandy?
 
nehalem256 said:
And THEN LATER she let him undress her.

Two separate events. Are you saying that women never ever change their minds?:biggrin:
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You have serious serious issues with the opposite sex. You are the most consistently misogynistic poster on this board. I have to assume that you have some deep seeded fear of women or rejection from women that has put you into this pitiful mind. Honestly, you sound like a sideways glance of rejection away from Eric Thomas.

You need help.
 
brycejones said:
You would think that would be painfully obvious but this thread has turned into a rape apologist convention.
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Right-wingers are not very good at shades of gray. To them, "rape" means the woman fighting tooth and nail to run away and/or to push the guy away, until she's forced into submission. And even then, if the woman gets pregnant, that's solid evidence that "she really wanted it." Absent all of those conditions, the sex is consensual.
 
shira said:
I think it depends on the situation: Suppose the woman is intoxicated and half passed out. The man tries to take off her clothes. She says "No!" and weakly tries to brush his hands away. He stops, then after a few minutes, when the woman is clearly even further out of hit, he tries again, and the woman doesn't respond or makes a weak protest, but doesn't offer much resistance. So he proceeds to take off her clothes and has sex with her.

You think this is just fine and dandy?
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Intoxication changes everything especially if she can't even respond.
 
shira said:
There are degrees of incapacitation. And if a woman says "no" it's not required for her to be passed out for the sex to be deemed non-consensual.
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How can she say No if she is passed out? You are trying to throw out too many scenarios at once. But let me ask you this. When a woman says no, what is the statute of limitations as to when the guy can make another sexual advance at her?
 
Matt1970 said:
How can she say No if she is passed out? You are trying to throw out too many scenarios at once. But let me ask you this. When a woman says no, what is the statute of limitations as to when the guy can make another sexual advance at her?
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You keep saying "passed out." As I clearly wrote, "it's NOT required for her to be passed out. A woman can say "No" in a state of limited capacity, and if the man persists, that's rape.

And it's completely clear that if a man has sex with a passed-out woman, there doesn't even have to be a "No" for it to be rape.
 
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