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Rape victim is coveted status - George Wills

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GarfieldtheCat said:
And now a Creationist has weighed in on the rape issue.

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I'm betting this guy gets hired by Fox or the GOP real soon to start publicizing this.....if you believe in evolution, you support rape. Well, according to this idiot at least.

There isn't a big enough "rolls eyes" icon for that level of BS.
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He fits right in with some of the posters in this thread.

I think the "she wasn't raped" crew's only exposure to sex is porn; where all the women "want" them.
 
Matt1970 said:
How can she say No if she is passed out? You are trying to throw out too many scenarios at once. But let me ask you this. When a woman says no, what is the statute of limitations as to when the guy can make another sexual advance at her?
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If a woman says "No," you can make another sexual advance immediately. If she continues saying "No," and you continue making advances, you're veering into "harassment" territory, and you don't want to be there. But if her "No" never turns into a "Yes," any further sexual advances should be deemed non-consensual. "When I first asked she said 'no,' and then I asked again and she didn't answer, therefore she wants sex," is a line of thinking so devoid of rationality it beggars belief. Just get the confirmation and spare yourself the hassle of potential criminal prosecution. "Are you OK with this?" Pretty foolproof method to be absolutely sure that there's no lack of consent.
 
shira said:
Really? Why don't you explain to us the "typical scenario" where an unwilling man can be forced to have sexual intercourse by a woman? Explain to us the "typical scenario" where an intoxicated and half-conscious man can be "taken advantage of" by a woman?
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According to the CDC men are raped just as often as women.

So either women are frequently raping men or there is a closeted gay rapedemic.
 
eskimospy said:
I will repeat, what do you think that says? Just come out and say it.
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let
let/Submit
verb
1.
not prevent or forbid; allow.
"my boss let me leave early"
synonyms: allow to, permit to, give permission to, give leave to, authorize to, sanction to, grant the right to, license to, empower to, enable to, entitle to; More
antonyms: prevent, prohibit
allow to pass in a particular direction.
"could you let the dog out?"
synonyms: allow to go, permit to pass; More
2.
used in the imperative to formulate various expressions.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
let
let/Submit
verb
1.
not prevent or forbid; allow.
"my boss let me leave early"
synonyms: allow to, permit to, give permission to, give leave to, authorize to, sanction to, grant the right to, license to, empower to, enable to, entitle to; More
antonyms: prevent, prohibit
allow to pass in a particular direction.
"could you let the dog out?"
synonyms: allow to go, permit to pass; More
2.
used in the imperative to formulate various expressions.
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I will ask a third time, what do you think that says? Are you saying that such a thing equals consent? You're being awfully cagey for reasons we both know.
 
"I let him finish" can lead people to infer her giving consent to the action.

In reality it can mean she did indeed consent to the action, she did not consent to the action, but decided to "let" it happen in an effort to avoid a fight or other sort of aggression.

Her filing the rape charges I believe give insight into what her "no" meant, and her "letting" it happen meant.

What throws a lot of people off in this story, is that they just recently decided to be friends, yet he falls asleep in her bed, and she climbs in with him. The persistence on his part could have been intimidating to her based on past history, so her "letting" it happen is just avoiding further conflict and potential endangerment.

People "let" robbers take their wallets all the time, they do so to avoid further harm. Not because they are consenting to the action.
 
momeNt said:
"I let him finish" can lead people to infer her giving consent to the action.

In reality it can mean she did indeed consent to the action, she did not consent to the action, but decided to "let" it happen in an effort to avoid a fight or other sort of aggression.

Her filing the rape charges I believe give insight into what her "no" meant, and her "letting" it happen meant.

What throws a lot of people off in this story, is that they just recently decided to be friends, yet he falls asleep in her bed, and she climbs in with him. The persistence on his part could have been intimidating to her based on past history, so her "letting" it happen is just avoiding further conflict and potential endangerment.

People "let" robbers take their wallets all the time, they do so to avoid further harm. Not because they are consenting to the action.
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Exactly.
 
Matt1970 said:
How can she say No if she is passed out? You are trying to throw out too many scenarios at once. But let me ask you this. When a woman says no, what is the statute of limitations as to when the guy can make another sexual advance at her?
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Why not try asking *her* instead of some guy in an online forum.
 
eskimospy said:
Exactly.
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Except she said she let him do it because she was tired, not because she was afraid of him or wanted to avoid harm. Why read something into it that goes against what she said? Which is pretty much her admitting that - at least at the time - stopping him from raping her wasn't worth the effort. Maybe later she realized it was actually a big deal.
 
Exophase said:
Except she said she let him do it because she was tired, not because she was afraid of him or wanted to avoid harm. Why read something into it that goes against what she said? Which is pretty much her admitting that - at least at the time - stopping him from raping her wasn't worth the effort. Maybe later she realized it was actually a big deal.
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What effort would it have taken?
 
OBLAMA2009 said:
uh, theres no such thing as "raping" a chick youve already had
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That is the dumbest thing that has been said in this thread. I really hope you're joking, and realize how poor of a thing it is to joke about this.
MrPickins said:
Until she says yes, no means no.

It's sad that this has to be explained to you.
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I'll be honest. After seeing enough of his posts that have been quoted in this thread, I don't believe for one second that nehalem has ever has consensual sex in his life.
 
momeNt said:
What effort would it have taken?
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I don't know the person so I can't really say - but she probably did know him to some extent and in her words she didn't do anything because she was tired, not because she didn't think she'd be able to get him to stop.

I'm not going to simply assume that this guy would have definitely used force or violence. If she said he needed to leave her room (probably would have been a smart thing to do instead of crawling into bed with him) it's not inconceivable that he would have listened. She could have also said she'd call the police.

From her description it sounds like she just went to sleep in the bed afterwards when she could have discretely left and reported it then instead of six weeks later...
 
shira said:
Right-wingers are not very good at shades of gray. To them, "rape" means the woman fighting tooth and nail to run away and/or to push the guy away, until she's forced into submission. And even then, if the woman gets pregnant, that's solid evidence that "she really wanted it." Absent all of those conditions, the sex is consensual.
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actually in this case the left has no sense of gray.

chicks statement "I basically said, “No, I don’t want to have sex with you.”

Could mean she said "i'm tired not now"

Plus if she didn't want the guy around, why the fuck is she in bed with him?
 
michal1980 said:
actually in this case the left has no sense of gray.
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So you think in the case of rape there should be a gray zone?

Because I think it's better for everyone to err on the side of not raping someone.

And if that's some woman's fetish... just don't have sex with her. She's fucking crazy.
 
michal1980 said:
actually in this case the left has no sense of gray.

chicks statement "I basically said, “No, I don’t want to have sex with you.”

Could mean she said "i'm tired not now"

Plus if she didn't want the guy around, why the fuck is she in bed with him?
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Another idiot shows his true colors......
 
jackstar7 said:
So you think in the case of rape there should be a gray zone?

Because I think it's better for everyone to err on the side of not raping someone.

And if that's some woman's fetish... just don't have sex with her. She's fucking crazy.
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because women never lie about being raped.

I'm saying that in this case the chick is not making a good case for rape, unless you know

kind of no actually means no. and she thought they agreed to not sleep together

Your giving this accuser far more power then she deserves.

Cant you find a more clear cut case of 'rape' then this girl?
 
jackstar7 said:
So you think in the case of rape there should be a gray zone?
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The "legitimate" rape crowd strikes again. Although I am beginning to understand why some of our more "conservative" members are always so angry. They must be as repulsive in real life and can't get women to look at them twice let alone get laid. Well that and still living in mom's basement is probably a turn off to.
 
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