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I think people buy AMD cards because of marketing "ZOMG GHZ Edition". They don't actualy research the product to see all the problems.
MTDEW
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Despite what my post above may insinuate, AMD drivers aren't as bad as some make them out to be, they just could be better at some things.
If you get a routine of uninstalling and cleaning up the old drivers before updating, they are pretty much as trouble free as Nvidia drivers.
You can clean up Nvidia drivers also to remove leftovers, but Nvidia hardware/drivers seem to do just as well with a simple uninstall/update with no extra clean-up if you dont want to bother.
AMD just don't seem to have as quick of driver updates as Nvidia for new game releases/issues and take a bit longer to make a good driver available to fix issues with new games.(see rage joke above.. :biggrin: )
Do i hate my AMD hardware/drivers? Not by a long shot.
Have i ever had issues that weren't fixed with driver updates? Just one, Skyrim still stutters with x-fire enabled no matter what drivers (its especially noticable if you enter lower steepfall burrow in the NE region of the map).
Luckily it plays just fine at 60fps(v-sync enabled) with one card.
And the issue isn't my setup, i keep a clean Win7 install image that has never had video drivers installed for testing.
Other than that, everything plays great and AMD has really had some nice performance gains with drivers lately.
And i certainly would buy another AMD card when i upgrade if it offers the best performance over Nvidia when i'm ready to upgrade.
I'll buy whatever gets me the most bang for my $$
sandorski
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Um nvidia is the king of marketing Cuda, Physx, TWIMTBP, stability of drivers, developer support/relationships, ect.
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chimaxi83
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Try harder troll. No hardware is perfect and Nvidia has had comparable issues. But nice try
Thats highly unfounded and false when you say nvidia is faster at updating drivers LOL.
He seems to be not creating a problem but he has it backwards for IMHO nvidia has much more aggressive sales marketing and gimmicks IMHO.Try harder troll. No hardware is perfect and Nvidia has had comparable issues. But nice try
MTDEW
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If you updated to beta drivers, they wont change the CAT version number and leave the old version number, so that could be why.Well there is a stupid issue i encountered with my brother's 7950 dcii.Even after updating to the latest driver it was still saying updates are available .Nothing ground breaking but stupid
Anyone peek through OPs post history? Some hilarious stuff there
Here's a favorite:
I see the poster did a hit and run post, definitely NOT a troll?!
Here's a favorite:
I see the poster did a hit and run post, definitely NOT a troll?!
pandemonium
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Is it affecting performance or stability if not then it's a non issue and it then being ridiculously fickle.Well there is a stupid issue i encountered with my brother's 7950 dcii.Even after updating to the latest driver it was still saying updates are available .Nothing ground breaking but stupid
hyrule4927
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Well played.
Anywho, only issue I can think of with my 7950 was having to uninstall and reinstall my drivers once in order for it to be recognized after swapping out my 6850. Uninstalled easily through control panel, so I don't know why there are so many complaints about that. The main complaint in the OP was about beta drivers, which has me wondering how it never struck our dear friend that maybe he should try the most recent certified drivers instead . . .
Had an issue with running Crysis 2 with DX11 too, but that turned out to be a well documented Windows 8 issue and nothing to do with AMD.
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So, I just started using an old (but unused) HD 4870 1GB yesterday. Guess what the very first thing I had to do to make it stop flickering was?
That's right right, I had to underclock it. I had to underclock the memory from 925 (Powercolor stock) down to 900 to make it stable in Aero.
First thing I did was to mod and flash its BIOS to decrease performance.
That's right right, I had to underclock it. I had to underclock the memory from 925 (Powercolor stock) down to 900 to make it stable in Aero.
First thing I did was to mod and flash its BIOS to decrease performance.
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MTDEW
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WTF?So, I just started using an old (but unused) HD 4870 1GB yesterday. Guess what the very first thing I had to do to make it stop flickering was?
That's right right, I had to underclock it. I had to underclock the memory from 925 (Powercolor stock) down to 900 to make it stable in Aero.
First thing I did was to mod and flash its BIOS to decrease performance.
Lies I tell ya, all lies. :whiste:
He indicated it's a "Powercolor" HD4870 so there in lies the problem AMD is not the problem fail Powercolor is.
psolord
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I am another one with both Nvidia and ATI gpus on my systems. 570 SLI and 5850 CFX.
Both systems worked fine and still do. I must admit that I've been using the 570 system more lately but I do quite some testing on the 5850 system as well.
Truth be told, Nvidia is a bit better but AMD is not far behind. Actually they were first to support Risen 2 and Alan Wake with CFX profiles, which took Nvidia at least two months. It was ridiculous that I could play these two games better on my old machine. Still that stuff happens and actually as I said Nvidia is usually faster.
As far as single gpu mode is concerned I really cannot point any fingers towards one or the other. I had idle clock problems with both of them, in a couple of drivers and that's it.
What gets on my nerves with AMD is the collaboration with third party utilities, like MSI Afterburner. Unwinder has publicly expressed his disgust towards them in more than one occasion.
I find it very annoying that I have to enable a special text in MSI Afterburner's config file and even more annoying that AMD removed those dlls that are required for overclocking with MSI Afterburner and you have to turn the net upside down to find them. Why is AMD shamelessly hindering overclocking is beyond me. You can't go wrong with Nvidia + Afterburner, which is my favorite combination by far.
I like CCC and its usability. What I don't like is that they based it on Net Framework, adding another layer that looks for trouble plus it's heavier than Nvidia's GUI. I remember in older times, that I had to also uninstall Net Framework along with the driver and reinstall all of them again. Too much trouble for any user, especially less tech savvy ones.
Also what I really miss from AMD's driver's is the adaptive vsync feature that Nvidia has implemented. I find it very very useful in all heavy games.
In any case, in my experience there's absolutely no truth to the inacceptable clusterfuck the AMD drivers are supposed to be. They aren't. They are OK, just slightly less than Nvidia's.
Both systems worked fine and still do. I must admit that I've been using the 570 system more lately but I do quite some testing on the 5850 system as well.
Truth be told, Nvidia is a bit better but AMD is not far behind. Actually they were first to support Risen 2 and Alan Wake with CFX profiles, which took Nvidia at least two months. It was ridiculous that I could play these two games better on my old machine. Still that stuff happens and actually as I said Nvidia is usually faster.
As far as single gpu mode is concerned I really cannot point any fingers towards one or the other. I had idle clock problems with both of them, in a couple of drivers and that's it.
What gets on my nerves with AMD is the collaboration with third party utilities, like MSI Afterburner. Unwinder has publicly expressed his disgust towards them in more than one occasion.
I find it very annoying that I have to enable a special text in MSI Afterburner's config file and even more annoying that AMD removed those dlls that are required for overclocking with MSI Afterburner and you have to turn the net upside down to find them. Why is AMD shamelessly hindering overclocking is beyond me. You can't go wrong with Nvidia + Afterburner, which is my favorite combination by far.
I like CCC and its usability. What I don't like is that they based it on Net Framework, adding another layer that looks for trouble plus it's heavier than Nvidia's GUI. I remember in older times, that I had to also uninstall Net Framework along with the driver and reinstall all of them again. Too much trouble for any user, especially less tech savvy ones.
Also what I really miss from AMD's driver's is the adaptive vsync feature that Nvidia has implemented. I find it very very useful in all heavy games.
In any case, in my experience there's absolutely no truth to the inacceptable clusterfuck the AMD drivers are supposed to be. They aren't. They are OK, just slightly less than Nvidia's.
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