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Rand Paul gets assaulted by his neighbor

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Doc Savage Fan said:
Are you saying that Rand is lying?
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Why is Rand incapable of lying but only the other guy is? Also, this is "Rand's office," no? pretty much his publicity team. Publicists are always there to put the truth out, right?

Basically, I don't know wtf happened. You seem convinced that only one class of humans is capable of lying to defend themselves, however, and that is what I am looking at here.
 
zinfamous said:
Why is Rand incapable of lying but only the other guy is? Also, this is "Rand's office," no? pretty much his publicity team. Publicists are always there to put the truth out, right?

Basically, I don't know wtf happened. You seem convinced that only one class of humans is capable of lying to defend themselves, however, and that is what I am looking at here.
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I don't think anyone is disputing that this guy assaulted Senator Paul, the main difference is that some people (myself included) think that it was an act of politically motivated violence and others think it was just a minor neighbor altercation.
 
Let's all be realistic, when something like this happens it's always multiple things like:
Some current or old land disputes
Maybe some noise or people parking in the wrong place
Maybe some unkind words in both directions
Maybe some money
Then Politics

To say it's just one thing is simply crazy unless the neighbor is criminally insane
 
https://boingboing.net/2017/11/09/leaf-blower-resentment.html

But Jim Skaggs, who developed the gate-guarded community in Bowling Green where Paul and Boucher both live, suggests that there was longstanding tension between Paul and many of his neighbors, including Boucher, due to the Senator's inability to compromise on such matters as lawn-trimmings, overhanging tree branches, and the community's extensive Homeowners Association guidelines, which minutely prescribe how people in the community must conduct themselves.

Paul is a legendary property-rights ideologue, named for Ayn Rand. Mysteriously, he decided to buy a home in a community where the other property owners subjected buyers to contracts that bound their behavior and then decided that the sanctity of that contract could be unilaterally overriden, insisting on personal variances.

Paul is said to have had a history of blowing his lawn trimmings onto his neighbors' property.

"Paul "was probably the hardest person to encourage to follow the (home owner's association regulations) of anyone out here because he has a strong belief in property rights," said Skaggs, who is the former chairman of the Warren County Republican Party.

Skaggs noted the 13 pages of regulations governing the gated community are extensive. But even from the start of Paul's residence in Rivergreen, Skaggs said Paul has been difficult to work with.

"The major problem was getting the house plans approved," Skaggs said. "He wanted to actually own the property rights and build any kind of house he wanted. He didn't end up doing that, but it was a struggle."
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Home Owners Associations do sound rather like mini-states. With some of the benefits and problems that states cause. Sometimes wondered how 'small government' conservatives feel about them.
 
pmv said:
Home Owners Associations do sound rather like mini-states. With some of the benefits and problems that states cause. Sometimes wondered how 'small government' conservatives feel about them.
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I'm a fiscal conservative and by default that makes me a small government conservative.

Guess what? I live in a development ruled by a HOA. I have no issues with it because I made sure I knew the rules before I bought and I believe in the rule of law.

It sounds like you're confusing hard core libertarians with conservatives.
 
If he cared that much, he should've built his own goddamn house on unincorporated land, paved his own driveway, installed a septic tank and solar array and standpipe and called it a glorious day.

There's something fishy about this whole story...and it's not political motivations or even grass clippings. Senator Paul claims he doesn't know what prompted the incident. Yet he initially downplayed the injuries. It was like he was trying not to attract attention, and the first rule of politics is you never downplay a personal tragedy especially if it can be spun at the other side's expense.

Somehow the neighbor was only charged with misdemeanor 4th degree assault--did Paul not want to press charges? Boucher's lawyer was purposefully vague in initial statements.

It seems both men are very embarrassed about this whole thing and are going out of their way to not keep this in the press. And now Paul is claiming they haven't spoken in a while? Something is amiss with their whole relationship.
 
UNCjigga said:
If he cared that much, he should've built his own goddamn house on unincorporated land, paved his own driveway, installed a septic tank and solar array and standpipe and called it a glorious day.

There's something fishy about this whole story...and it's not political motivations or even grass clippings. Senator Paul claims he doesn't know what prompted the incident. Yet he initially downplayed the injuries. It was like he was trying not to attract attention, and the first rule of politics is you never downplay a personal tragedy especially if it can be spun at the other side's expense.

Somehow the neighbor was only charged with misdemeanor 4th degree assault--did Paul not want to press charges? Boucher's lawyer was purposefully vague in initial statements.

It seems both men are very embarrassed about this whole thing and are going out of their way to not keep this in the press. And now Paul is claiming they haven't spoken in a while? Something is amiss with their whole relationship.
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I agree. I don't understand why Paul has been so quiet about this. I too am leaning toward this being neither political nor about lawn clippings. It's entirely possible that none of the neighbors knows the real reason for the attack. You'd think that Paul would know but for some reason he isn't saying anything.
 
woolfe9998 said:
I think we have a disagreement among neighbors about what motivated this attack. Yet it's clear that none of them knows for sure.

The fact that the attacker is a liberal is not relevant unless the attack was politically motivated.

Maybe at some point Paul and/or Boucher will speak up about this and we'll have a more definitive idea about what motivated the attack. Until then, the only reason to make an assumption one way or the other is if you're being partisan.
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Given the attacker's low bail, and maximum year in jail if convicted, I think there were less than political motives, otherwise couldn't he be charged with terrorism, and face stiffer consequences?
 
Why in the hell would a "Libertarian" live in a neighborhood with a HOA? I'm no fan of many HOAs, but the very idea of one is just about 100% opposed to that of Libertarianism. You can only paint your house certain colors, or you can only plant certain types of grass (which here in FL is usually St Augustine, an environmental disaster in the making), or you can't park on the street in front of your house etc etc etc. This would all horrify an actual Libertarian I would think. One might get the impression from this that Mr. Paul isn't quite what he makes himself out to be 🙂
 
bradly1101 said:
Given the attacker's low bail, and maximum year in jail if convicted, I think there were less than political motives, otherwise couldn't he be charged with terrorism, and face stiffer consequences?
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Yes, but the argument from the right will be that he's lying about not having a political motive in order to avoid stiffer penalties.

The more I think about this, however, the less it appears political. This guy basically ran and took a flying leap at Paul. That sounds like an impulsive crime. Politically motivated crimes are generally premeditated, the only real exception being if the attack occurs right in the middle of a heated argument. Yet there was no argument. Boucher just came at Paul out of nowhere. I have a hard time believing that one day Boucher looked at Paul and just suddenly lost it over Paul's political positions or support of Trump. This feels personal.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Yes, but the argument from the right will be that he's lying about not having a political motive in order to avoid stiffer penalties.

The more I think about this, however, the less it appears political. This guy basically ran and took a flying leap at Paul. That sounds like an impulsive crime. Politically motivated crimes are generally premeditated, the only real exception being if the attack occurs right in the middle of a heated argument. Yet there was no argument. Boucher just came at Paul out of nowhere. I have a hard time believing that one day Boucher looked at Paul and just suddenly lost it over Paul's political positions or support of Trump. This feels personal.
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I'm not sure how, exactly, but somehow I'm starting to suspect that there is something sexual about this whole situation. Not sure if that's between Paul and Boucher's wife, daughter, friend...or Boucher himself. But I don't know what else would precipitate a flying rage punch between people who've lived next door to each other for years without ever coming to blows before. There is something here that both parties are trying to keep out of the press.
 
UNCjigga said:
I'm not sure how, exactly, but somehow I'm starting to suspect that there is something sexual about this whole situation. Not sure if that's between Paul and Boucher's wife, daughter, friend...or Boucher himself. But I don't know what else would precipitate a flying rage punch between people who've lived next door to each other for years without ever coming to blows before. There is something here that both parties are trying to keep out of the press.
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Yes, I was thinking the same thing without saying it because there is no evidence to support the theory. It does kind of feel that way though.
 
Yes, a sitting United States Senator gets viciously assaulted, has 6 broken ribs and somehow, someway it must be his fault. Maybe he was dressed provocatively? It can't possibly be the Democrat/Socialist that committed the unprovoked attack it MUST be the Republicans fault someway. Let's just go ahead and smear Senator Paul, lie about him, pretend it's a conspiracy.
 
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