Ramblings of a psychopath.

[Chaosblade02]

It's really not that atypical for people with significant refractory disease. I've seen a good number of people on similarly complex regimens; though admittedly, they seemed to have less insight and communicative ability than the OP appears to. Not that I'm saying the OP ISN'T full of shit, he certainly may be.

My verbal communications skills aren't that great. I'm far better at communicating with the written word because I have more time to think about what I say without actually appearing abnormal. Part of the reason I edit so many posts is I keep going back and adding more things later. in a verbal discussion I might appear all over the place or not focused about one particular thing.

 

[Charmonium]

It's really not that atypical for people with significant refractory disease. I've seen a good number of people on similarly complex regimens; though admittedly, they seemed to have less insight and communicative ability than the OP appears to. Not that I'm saying the OP ISN'T full of shit, he certainly may be.

People who are treatment resistant do often get loaded up with a lot of different medications, but I've never heard of anyone dosed with that many especially when you have several different classes of medications represented and duplicates w/in each class. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's damned rare and those people aren't normally wandering around out in the wild.

Additionally, every post from the OP just screams - look at me. Look at how screwed up I am. Wah, wah.

Spare me.

 

[Ruptga]

People who are treatment resistant do often get loaded up with a lot of different medications, but I've never heard of anyone dosed with that many especially when you have several different classes of medications represented and duplicates w/in each class. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's damned rare and those people aren't normally wandering around out in the wild.

Additionally, every post from the OP just screams - look at me. Look at how screwed up I am. Wah, wah.

Spare me.

Wait, wait. You think someone logged onto ATOT just to air their streaked undies in a desperate reverse-psychological plea for validation?

This has never happened before.

 

[Charmonium]

Wait, wait. You think someone logged onto ATOT just to air their streaked undies in a desperate reverse-psychological plea for validation?

This has never happened before.

You're right. I probably shouldn't get upset about this but I know enough people who really do suffer and need help that I don't have a lot of patience for posers.

 

[TheVrolok]

People who are treatment resistant do often get loaded up with a lot of different medications, but I've never heard of anyone dosed with that many especially when you have several different classes of medications represented and duplicates w/in each class. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's damned rare and those people aren't normally wandering around out in the wild.

The patients I've seen on those regimens are generally wards of the state from state facilities or "semi-permanent" residents of inpatient facilities. Generally not as function as the OP appears to be, which, I agree, does make my BS meter jump a bit.

Additionally, every post from the OP just screams - look at me. Look at how screwed up I am. Wah, wah.

Spare me.

Thus my first comment in the thread; though, I'd prefer to err on the side of over-treating/helping than not. Much of this screams A420-style.

 

[Chaosblade02]

You may dislike with the concept of social norms and the fact that you have to at least pretend to live by them, but I imagine you do rationally understand why they exist? In order for society to progress, widespread cooperation is necessary in a (mostly) peaceful and non-threatening environment. It's a natural result of a biological imperative to further the species.

In my situation I don't feel like the species is progressing for the better. I feel like most of these new social norms are making us weaker, and less adaptable, and not stronger. Humans will be their own undoing, and by the time that happens it will be too late for people to realize we've been going on the wrong path for awhile now. And I'll be sitting in the corner laughing hysterically saying "See, I told you so".

Have you considered relocating to an environment where your "issues" are minimized or maybe even turned to your advantage? A simpler life surrounded by less people, more nature and a most basic and well-structured kind of work (farming, logging) would perhaps lower your stress level. Or alternatively, perhaps a very cerebral line of work like software development would be a good fit? I'm in that line of work myself and while it's surprisingly social (every project is a group project) you can also zone out for days or weeks at a time.

I'm already living in a rural environment. I don't have to deal with people out here. The only thing that really sucks out here is the internet is slow as shit. Unfortunately that's not going to change in the near or foreseeable future.

 

[Charmonium]

I'm already living in a rural environment. I don't have to deal with people out here. The only thing that really sucks out here is the internet is slow as shit. Unfortunately that's not going to change in the near or foreseeable future.

Not slow enough apparently.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

That's bullshit. I'm starting to get the impression that you don't have a clue about mental illness and just want the attention.

Major depression, like most other psych issues, are biochemical. In fact in depression, this has been proven countless times. If you're depressed, you may feel worthless, but no so-called "coping mechanism" is going to keep you from feeling that way.

Call me Captain Wiki, but I'm pretty sure self-harm is a common coping mechanism found in many people diagnosed with depression. I don't see what depression being biochemical has to do with that.

 

[Chaosblade02]

You're right. I probably shouldn't get upset about this but I know enough people who really do suffer and need help that I don't have a lot of patience for posers.

I will admit to trolling on the internet, even regularly. Its a hobby of mine, but this topic was intended to be serious. I wouldn't be wasting my time to write wall after wall of text if this was trolling. I'm a lazy troll.

But getting upset over something like this is laughable and pathetic. Its people like you that are the reason I have antipathy for humanity in general. I learned to grow thicker skin over the years rather than let other people get me butthurt over the internet. That's a trait you might want to learn to acquire.

I've been seeking treatment for over 20 years, and nothing has really worked for me, even for the minor goals I've set for myself. The issue with you is you're using broad stroke examples to suggest I'm bullshitting, but the human brain is the most complex thing we know of in existence. If finding a solution for my issues was simple then someone would have came up with a treatment plan that fits my needs by now, but I'm still in the process of limbo trying out different medication combinations.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Thus my first comment in the thread; though, I'd prefer to err on the side of over-treating/helping than not. Much of this screams A420-style.

A420 did his shtick for a long time though, and never seemed as self-aware. I'm erring strongly on troll for the op of this thread.

 

[Chaosblade02]

Call me Captain Wiki, but I'm pretty sure self-harm is a common coping mechanism found in many people diagnosed with depression. I don't see what depression being biochemical has to do with that.

Its true. Several people in my therapy group are cutters. They'll cut themselves in non-lethal ways because it helps them cope with the pain. But Mr. Expert because I've been part of a therapy group that helps 100s of people should have ran into some people who cut themselves. There are 4 in my group of 20.

 

[Charmonium]

Call me Captain Wiki, but I'm pretty sure self-harm is a common coping mechanism found in many people diagnosed with depression. I don't see what depression being biochemical has to do with that.

Yeah, and self-harm has biochemical effects that "help" some people. I've know a few that fall into that category. One girl would burn herself and as long as there was pain from the wound, she was fine. However she was more BPD than depressed.

Also, when someone talks about coping mechanisms, the assumption is that they're healthy coping mechanisms. Most people who abuse controlled substances are also engaging a "coping mechanism" but we don't generally consider heroin addiction a healthy mechanism.

I will admit to trolling on the internet, even regularly. Its a hobby of mine, but this topic was intended to be serious. I wouldn't be wasting my time to write wall after wall of text if this was trolling. I'm a lazy troll.

But getting upset over something like this is laughable and pathetic. Its people like you that are the reason I have antipathy for humanity in general. I learned to grow thicker skin over the years rather than let other people get me butthurt over the internet. That's a trait you might want to learn to acquire.

I've been seeking treatment for over 20 years, and nothing has really worked for me, even for the minor goals I've set for myself. The issue with you is you're using broad stroke examples to suggest I'm bullshitting, but the human brain is the most complex thing we know of in existence. If finding a solution for my issues was simple then someone would have came up with a treatment plan that fits my needs by now, but I'm still in the process of limbo trying out different medication combinations.

You're just another self-obsessed asshole who sits around all day bemoaning how miserable their life is. And when no one you talk to agrees with your assessment, you keep making shit up until you get someone's attention.

I'm sorry you're so desperate that you feel that you need to go to these extremes, but you might want to actually talk to a therapist rather than trying to get attention on an internet forum.

Anyway, I'll just periodically check back here to see if anyone is actually buying your bullshit and encourage them to ignore you, since even negative attention seems to result in just more bullshit.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Yeah, and self-harm has biochemical effects that "help" some people. I've know a few that fall into that category. One girl would burn herself and as long as there was pain from the wound, she was fine. However she was more BPD than depressed.

Also, when someone talks about coping mechanisms, the assumption is that they're healthy coping mechanisms. Most people who abuse controlled substances are also engaging a "coping mechanism" but we don't generally consider heroin addiction a healthy mechanism.

OK, but then I don't understand your original point. If performing specific actions or consciously thinking specific thoughts is capable of producing a biochemical reaction (that should be obvious given that the brain is, you know, a biological thing), then coping mechanisms surely help people with depression. Is your argument now that only negative ones (drugs, adrenaline or whatever released from self-harm, etc) are capable of staving off depression in some form? Because while I admittedly don't immediately know about prayer/meditation being used specifically to help depression, I would say it is a positive form of coping that certainly has demonstrated medical relevance elsewhere.

 

[Chaosblade02]

Anyway, I'll just periodically check back here to see if anyone is actually buying your bullshit and encourage them to ignore you, since even negative attention seems to result in just more bullshit.

The problem is, nobody here takes you any more seriously than they do me. Assuming people do is in itself a delusional concept. You've already been proven wrong about several of your butthurt assertions, while claiming to be an expert just to prove you're not an expert in a later post. But keep thinking your input is somehow useful here. If that's what makes you sleep better at night. If I was to make a guess, you're here lashing out at me as a coping mechanism for your issues. If you have any personal mental issues that you'd like to discuss, this is the right type of topic.

 

[Chaosblade02]

OK, but then I don't understand your original point.

You're asking a mouth breathing, self proclaimed expert to try and rationalize an opinion that was already proven wrong? He's wrong, and he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. That's all there is to it.

 

[MongGrel]

You're asking a mouth breathing, self proclaimed expert to try and rationalize an opinion that was already proven wrong? He's wrong, and he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. That's all there is to it.

please stop bumping yourself at this point.

 

[Chaosblade02]

please stop bumping yourself at this point.

And the purpose of this post is....?

 

[Charmonium]

OK, but then I don't understand your original point. If performing specific actions or consciously thinking specific thoughts is capable of producing a biochemical reaction (that should be obvious given that the brain is, you know, a biological thing), then coping mechanisms surely help people with depression. Is your argument now that only negative ones (drugs, adrenaline or whatever released from self-harm, etc) are capable of staving off depression in some form? Because while I admittedly don't immediately know about prayer/meditation being used specifically to help depression, I would say it is a positive form of coping that certainly has demonstrated medical relevance elsewhere.

The point was that it doesn't help MDD - major depressive disorder. I didn't say that therapy like CBT wasn't valuable for ANY sort of depression. It definitely is. So is mindfulness meditation and a variety of other techniques. But none of those are going to get you out of a bout with MAJOR depression. That's why I told the OP to go look up the various types.

About self-harm, pain causes a variety of neurochemical responses in the brain so the idea that self-harm might help people isn't any crazier than saying meditation will help. I've just never heard of anyone using that for MDD.

 

[MongGrel]

And the purpose of this post is....?

Exactly what I said.

 

[Chaosblade02]

The point was that it doesn't help MDD - major depressive disorder.

You're speaking in absolutes again. When you've already proven you're not an expert and evidence was already provided that proves you're wrong. CBT is a standard treatment for MDD. Are you going to get off that butthurt train soon? You haven't even posted any sources backing up your claims. Just more mouth breathing.

 

[brianmanahan]

posting in an anarchist420 wannabe thread

 

[Chaosblade02]

I've almost exhausted solutions as far as medications go. I'm considering electroshock therapy. I've heard that people have had success with that who couldn't find solutions with medications.

 

[disappoint]

I've almost exhausted solutions as far as medications go. I'm considering electroshock therapy. I've heard that people have had success with that who couldn't find solutions with medications.

Nope.

 

[Chaosblade02]

Nope.

If meds aren't gonna work for me then I'm not really sure what other options I got.

 

[TheVrolok]

A420 did his shtick for a long time though, and never seemed as self-aware. I'm erring strongly on troll for the op of this thread.

My meter is also going up with each additional OP post. OP seems like the offspring of A420 and TridenT.

Nope.

ECT works pretty well for for resistant major depression.