Raise minimum wage?

[nick1985]

My brain hurts. omg

 

[CADsortaGUY]

My brain hurts. omg

lol, I'm having quite the chuckle reading the past15hours worth of posts. It's like some people just don't live on the same planet as the rest of us. :biggrin:

 

[Londo_Jowo]

By all means, let's increase the minimum wage to $20/hour. Then you will be paying non-skilled labor about the same amount as engineer that just graduated from college. Why go to college or trade school if you can make $20/hour with little or no education?

 

[DougK62]

I don't understand the "livable wage" argument. The national minimum wage is $7.25 and it's very easy to live and prosper on that. Myself and others have made it happen.

 

[DCal430]

You seriously need to get a clue. The federal minimum wage for tipped workers is $2.13, states can have a higher minimum wage, the highest tipped employee minimum wage state is Washington at $8.67, and it is a stretch to believe that even there most make more than $10.00.

You need a clue, In California the minimum wage of tip employees is $8, and most do make over the minimum wage. I know plenty of people who have been waiters and all made well over the minimum wage before tips. It is high time this 2 dollar tip wage be banned in other states too.

 

[PokerGuy]

Holy moly you dimlibs are slow. You just seem to have no grasp whatsoever of reality and how economics work in the real world. Amazing.

 

[Cogman]

http://epionline.org/studies/epi_minimumwage_07-2007.pdf

Yeah.. So, the majority of economist believe that a higher minimum wage is a bad idea. I agree with them. The "problem" it tries to fix is only exacerbated.

 

[DCal430]

http://epionline.org/studies/epi_minimumwage_07-2007.pdf

Yeah.. So, the majority of economist believe that a higher minimum wage is a bad idea. I agree with them. The "problem" it tries to fix is only exacerbated.

If most economist say it is fine for children to be on the streets dying from exposure and starvation because mother and father cannot afford shelter and food then I don't need those economist.

 

[nick1985]

If most economist say it is fine for children to be on the streets dying from exposure and starvation because mother and father cannot afford shelter and food then I don't need those economist.

Would you support legislation that gives everyone a home?

 

[DCal430]

Would you support legislation that gives everyone a home?

Shelter is a human right everyone should have reasonable size shelter for them self, be it an apartment or house. The fact that we have children and even adults dying on streets dying from exposure is a crime against all of humanity and a stain on us.

So yes I would support legislation that provided shelter for all.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Do you support neutering of adults who can't afford to support their children?

 

[xj0hnx]

Shelter is a human right everyone should have reasonable size shelter for them self, be it an apartment or house. The fact that we have children and even adults dying on streets dying from exposure is a crime against all of humanity and a stain on us.

So yes I would support legislation that provided shelter for all.

You have the right to seek shelter, but you have no right to force people to provide shelter.

 

[xj0hnx]

I'm talking about the COST OF THE CHEESEBURGER TO THE CUSTOMER and I specifically said INCLUDING TIP. It's the same whether the restaurant owner says "no tips" and pays the waiter more by charging more for a burger, or if he says "I'll pay this guy less and the rest will be made up by tips". The customer doesn't see a fucking difference.

Awesome, you get it, having to pay workers more will increase the cost of goods, now all you've got to do is let go of your, arbitrary numbers.

 

[DCal430]

Awesome, you get it, having to pay workers more will increase the cost of goods, now all you've got to do is let go of your, arbitrary numbers.

Most of the cost of things like burgers from the cost of the ingredients not the labor cost to assemble or serve it. $20 min wage = about $6-$7 cheeseburgers max.

 

[xj0hnx]

Most of the cost of things like burgers from the cost of the ingredients not the labor cost to assemble or serve it. $20 min wage = about $6-$7 cheeseburgers max.

Actually, yea, it is. You really don't have a clue what kind of cost go into running a business do you?

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Most of the cost of things like burgers from the cost of the ingredients not the labor cost to assemble or serve it. $20 min wage = about $6-$7 cheeseburgers max.

Can I see the equation you used to get a 'about $6-$7' cheeseburger with a $20 min. wage?

 

[xj0hnx]

Can I see the equation you used to get a 'about $6-$7' cheeseburger with a $20 min. wage?

He's just talking out of his ass, he doesn't have a clue what they cost, and has no source to confirm what they would cost if their magical arbitrary minimum wage amount was granted. DCal, here's starting point for you, imagine a restaurant has 20 employees with an average hourly wage of $10, that's $1,600 per day just to get bodies in the store (of course this is lowballing since for every shift there's going to be salaried management making a lot more than $10 per hour), then there's operational cost just to make the store function, electricity, water, PR, etc ...how much do you think it actually cost McDonalds for the actual food product that goes into a Big Mac?

 

[Infohawk]

I don't understand the "livable wage" argument. The national minimum wage is $7.25 and it's very easy to live and prosper on that. Myself and others have made it happen.

This reminds me of how senseamp thinks the government should buy immigrant farm workers air conditioning units... Some people don't exactly understand how materially wealthy even poor Americans (and immigrants) are compared to a century ago.

 

[Throckmorton]

Awesome, you get it, having to pay workers more will increase the cost of goods, now all you've got to do is let go of your, arbitrary numbers.

It took 10 posts for you to understand that waiters make $20. I'm shocked how hard it was to get you to realize that the tips are a part of the cost to the customer.

I'm not the one who came up with the arbitrary $25 cheeseburger number. What I have shown is that the cost of a cheeseburger only goes up by 20%, the normal tipping rate, to get a waiter to $20/hr.

 

[Throckmorton]

Actually, yea, it is. You really don't have a clue what kind of cost go into running a business do you?

Do you understand the concept of a man-hour? How many man-hours does it take to make and serve a cheeseburger in a fastfood restaurant?

 

[Throckmorton]

Holy moly you dimlibs are slow. You just seem to have no grasp whatsoever of reality and how economics work in the real world. Amazing.

In the real world, your economic model isn't working at all. It's leading us straight to becoming a third world country. Good job free market fundamentalists!

 

[CycloWizard]

It took 10 posts for you to understand that waiters make $20. I'm shocked how hard it was to get you to realize that the tips are a part of the cost to the customer.

I'm not the one who came up with the arbitrary $25 cheeseburger number. What I have shown is that the cost of a cheeseburger only goes up by 20%, the normal tipping rate, to get a waiter to $20/hr.

Then feel free to tip your waiter up to $20/hour. Tipping gives incentives for good service. Remove it from the equation and service is terrible (e.g. England).

 

[Matt1970]

In the real world, your economic model isn't working at all. It's leading us straight to becoming a third world country. Good job free market fundamentalists!

Imagine that.....

 

[Macamus Prime]

So...... you agree that the minimum wage forced (sorry, pushed, moved - same thing) companies overseas?

Obviously, they profit more if they don't have to pay as much for labor.

And who is going to buy their products; the people making $7.25 an hour? Or the people they laid off to move their operations overseas?

All they are doing is making a cash grab and screwing over everyone beneath them.

 

[xj0hnx]

It took 10 posts for you to understand that waiters make $20. I'm shocked how hard it was to get you to realize that the tips are a part of the cost to the customer.

I'm not the one who came up with the arbitrary $25 cheeseburger number. What I have shown is that the cost of a cheeseburger only goes up by 20%, the normal tipping rate, to get a waiter to $20/hr.

No dummy, I knew that before you posted anything. You STILL don't get that how much a waiter makes AFTER tips doesn't have shit to do with the price of the fucking cheeseburger. You haven't "shown anything" except that you can't grasp the most simple of concepts.