Racial breakdown by color of major US cities

[ShawnD1]

I want to see what a real life black ghetto looks like. We don't have black people in Canada, and natives live on reserves, so I only ever see poor white people.

 

[peonyu]

Some people say this shows how segregated white people are, I see the opposite. There is far more blending in predominantly white areas than there are in the "blue" [black] areas. Asians in particular, just going by those maps are almost always inside of "Red" White areas. Hispanics also tend to cluster near white people.

The exception is the blue areas, those are almost always homogeneous areas populated almost completely by black people [that is just basing it off of those maps]. Hispanics group near "blue" areas sometimes but often they dont.

Besides that does anyone else think these maps are not accurate as far as Hispanics go ? Ive been to LA before and Houston, both cities are nearly 50% Hispanic in population. Yet those maps would lead you to believe otherwise. It probably comes down to the fact that if you are Hispanic and dont list your race on the census you are automatically listed as White, so that is bumping up the number of "Red" blocks seen by a huge margin. Checkmarking the "other" box for race as a Hispanic also = listed as white btw in the official census.

 

[bfdd]

This can't be, the Righties in here are constantly saying because you have a half black President, racism does not exist in the US anymore.
The US is a huge melting pot except for them Muslims.

What do neighborhoods being split up along race lines have anything to do with racism being alive today? These "territories" could of formed awhile ago and people are just to stubborn to change things. This does nothing to prove or disprove racism in the USA. Nice try though Earl.

 

[peonyu]

What do neighborhoods being split up along race lines have anything to do with racism being alive today? These "territories" could of formed awhile ago and people are just to stubborn to change things. This does nothing to prove or disprove racism in the USA. Nice try though Earl.

His comment was stupid but at the same time there will always be divisions among groups of people. It could be race, religion or something else. It doesnt matter. These maps do show division in the country and thats not going to go away.

If someone were to draw up a map of Cairo Egypt for example im sure there would be two clusters present - 1 Muslim and 1 Christian. They are not holding hands and singing Kumbi ya obviously. Same deal in any other country with very few exceptions [homogeneous nations like Japan].

And formerly homogeneous countries like Sweden, Spain, Finland, Ireland etc also have clusters. The Muslims who are moving from the Middle east to Europe self segregate into their own communities and dont interact much with the native Europeans. Africa - to many examples to list. Its tribalism.

 

[bfdd]

Assuming they were the majority and you were a minority being oppressed because of your race, then that would fit with his definition of racism.

It's like how here in Hawaii whites are a minority, and at public schools white kids get beat up for being white.

So if you're in a club full of 90% white people and you go to the bathroom and get your ass whooped on by two black guys, the only other people in there, it would be racist because they were the majority in their little section? That's silly. That definition holds no ground for racism.

 

[bfdd]

Exactly. Prejudice is merely judging someone before the fact - for whatever reason. And discrimination is an action, not an opinion. This definition of racism as something only possible to white people (and its inevitable corollary, that all white people are racist because of institutional racism) is a dangerous thing in our society.

However - Carmen does have a grain of truth in his statement, in that racism and discrimination by a minority is much less damaging than by a majority. At two different jobs I've heard the owner ask a supervisor "You didn't hire that ni@@er did you?" Since Saddam's Iraq and apartheid South Africa aside the majority of jobs will almost by definition be controlled by the majority, the effect of racism among the majority is more more significant. Racism in a minority can take away potential of employment among some jobs, but racism in the majority can take away potential of employment among many more jobs, maybe nearly all if it's widespread enough, the minority is small enough, and/or the disparity in wealth is enough. If a black-owner restaurant refuses to serve me because I am white, I have a huge number of restaurants left from which to choose. If all black-owner restaurants refuse to serve me because I am white, I still have a large number of restaurants left from which to choose. If on the other hand I am black and all white-owned restaurants refuse to serve me because I am black, I have a much more constrained choice of eateries. While I reject Carmen's definition, the relative power of the racism is undeniably way out of balance in effect between majority and minority.

Yes racism by a minority group is always not as bad as when a majority group does it... I mean look at South Africa. They were totally chill when the minority group, the white people, were in control.

 

[bfdd]

His comment was stupid but at the same time there will always be divisions among groups of people. It could be race, religion or something else. It doesnt matter. These maps do show division in the country and thats not going to go away.

If someone were to draw up a map of Cairo Egypt for example im sure there would be two clusters present - 1 Muslim and 1 Christian. They are not holding hands and singing Kumbi ya obviously. Same deal in any other country with very few exceptions [homogeneous nations like Japan].

And formerly homogeneous countries like Sweden, Spain, Finland, Ireland etc also have clusters. The Muslims who are moving from the Middle east to Europe self segregate into their own communities and dont interact much with the native Europeans. Africa - to many examples to list. Its tribalism.

I'm not saying there won't be division among groups of people, I'm saying looking at this and being like "lol racism" is fucking stupid and you're a goddamn idiot if that's what you thought of at first. There is so little data on these maps that they're only "interesting". There's way to much speculation into what any of it means.

 

[peonyu]

So if you're in a club full of 90% white people and you go to the bathroom and get your ass whooped on by two black guys, the only other people in there, it would be racist because they were the majority in their little section? That's silly. That definition holds no ground for racism.

Its more like going to 8 mile as a White guy and spending a few days in that area walking around. A white person is a minority in that region, you stick out. You will get alot of shit to since you are white and stick out. Perhaps you will get knifed or robbed for being white. Or maybe not ? Either way you can be targeted / discriminated against for being white in many areas of the country where you are a minority.

 

[Zargon]

I want to see what a real life black ghetto looks like. We don't have black people in Canada, and natives live on reserves, so I only ever see poor white people.

did you miss the pictures from haiti after the quake?

 

[ShawnD1]

did you miss the pictures from haiti after the quake?

I imagine Haiti is what Auschwitz looked like. Dead bodies everywhere, people with dirt on their face, everyone half naked.

 

[5150Joker]

I don't get it either. It would make sense to keep white people red or pink, black would be black or brown, asian yellow.


Racial self-segregation is pretty normal. There's a part of Edmonton called Mill Woods that is probably 90% east indians. It's a middle class area, just like the surrounding areas. There's no financial reason for it to be an Indian part of town, but it is. People like to be with their own kind.

And we have a winner! This is mainly why the US population is broken down into distinct ethnic pockets. Immigrants especially want to be in neighborhoods populated by their own kind. It makes the transition into a new country easier and then when they have children, they're used to it and the cycle continues until one of them marries someone from another ethnic group.

The US is far from a melting pot. It's a somewhat diverse nation but interracial mixing and/or living on a large scale just doesn't happen. I'm fine with that to be honest, it's always more comfortable to be around your own people (or those that closely resemble you) no matter what your color/race/ethnicity. I'm light brown and a minority and I live in a largely Mexican neighborhood and I like it a lot. They all keep their houses well maintained and they're friendly. It's part of the reason I like California so much, there's tons of minorities here. Most of my closest friends in medical school were Indian, Asian and Black. Similarly, the Whites used to group together in school and nobody really made a big deal out of it.


Edit: Just to add to my post above. I did one of my rotations in Miami and I was living in a small suburb called Aventura. Aventura was predominantly Jewish (at least 70%) and like other ethnic groups, they were grouping together. Even though my gf was Jewish as well, I still felt out of place there. So I can see why people would be reluctant to move to neighborhoods which are drastically different than they are.

 

[Zebo]

In 200 years none of this crap will matter. I think by then everyone will mix and look about like Tiger. Course we still have religion and class to deal with. And religious folks breed like crazy unfortunately so that problem will always be with us.

 

[5150Joker]

In 200 years none of this crap will matter. I think by then everyone will mix and look about like Tiger. Course we still have religion and class to deal with. And religious folks breed like crazy unfortunately so that problem will always be with us.

Not unless it's outlawed. I'd vote for that.

 

[peonyu]

In 200 years none of this crap will matter. I think by then everyone will mix and look about like Tiger. Course we still have religion and class to deal with. And religious folks breed like crazy unfortunately so that problem will always be with us.

Idk...Latin America is made up mostly of mixed race people and yet racism is still present there. They are all mixed, but the more black or Indian you look the lower on the economic ladder you are [in general]. The more white you look the higher up you are. Just look at Mexico's leadership, going by the pics of them alone you would think Mexico was populated exclusively by Spaniards [white people].

 

[bfdd]

Idk...Latin America is made up mostly of mixed race people and yet racism is still present there. They are all mixed, but the more black or Indian you look the lower on the economic ladder you are [in general]. The more white you look the higher up you are. Just look at Mexico's leadership, going by the pics of them alone you would think Mexico was populated exclusively by Spaniards [white people].

I know quite a few people who are from South America, Columbians, Brazilians, Chileans, etc. Most say it's not so much racism as it is class warfare.

 

[5150Joker]

Idk...Latin America is made up mostly of mixed race people and yet racism is still present there. They are all mixed, but the more black or Indian you look the lower on the economic ladder you are [in general]. The more white you look the higher up you are. Just look at Mexico's leadership, going by the pics of them alone you would think Mexico was populated exclusively by Spaniards [white people].

Mexico's richest man is an Arab.