Racial breakdown by color of major US cities

[Orignal Earl]

Wow this threads gone downhill fast!

Let's pause a moment for a good tune. And some relaxing images.

Steve Earle - City Of Immigrants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWnGctWs4JM

 

[Greenman]

So how many of you here squawking about racism live in a black neighborhood?
Thought so.

 

[DesiPower]

Is it the same image as in this link? Flicker blocked

Houston looks like the most mixed and diverse!!

 

[Orignal Earl]

So how many of you here squawking about racism live in a black neighborhood?
Thought so.

Not me, I live in a very mixed neighborhood.

 

[WelshBloke]

Is it the same image as in this link? Flicker blocked

Houston looks like the most mixed and diverse!!

It still looks very divided to me, the population density looks a lot lower though.

 

[SP33Demon]

Look at San Bernardino, that is some integration.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Kind of old, but interesting data none the less. It does show that segregation is still prevelant in many areas, it also highlights the different cultural makeups of different regions of the country

 

[fisheerman]

would like to see an overlay map of the public housing in some of these cities and see if it explains some of the concentrations.

 

[chucky2]

So how many of you here squawking about racism live in a black neighborhood?
Thought so.

I do. Last census data I could find was for 2007, has whites at 40% blacks at 50%. I'm sure that more blacks are here than 50%. Other thing is the whites that are here, many of them are the ones that are long term residents, so they're much older. The few whites that move here that are of family bearing age are either too poor to move somewhere else, or, have a specific reason for doing so (close to take care of an ailing parent).

The unfortunate fact is, when a town that is predominantly white starts getting blacks and mexicans moving into it, at some point, the white population there decides 'the awesome people' are moving here, time to get out, aka White Flight.

Once all the whites start moving out, invariably many more blacks and mexicans move in, as far less % of whites are wanting to buy the houses that are up for sale.

As a %, blacks and mexicans make less than whites, so there's less income. Many businesses that were long time standing in the community pack up and leave, both from reduced sales and from theft. Pretty soon, there is far less business in town, leading to far less tax revenue.

Now there's a town that has no/little business, and is full of blacks and mexicans. That might not be too bad really, at least from the perspective of the blacks and mexicans, as new businesses will invariably spring from the old. The problem is, with the blacks and mexicans come awesome people and spics.

Once you reach a point of having too many awesome people and spics, you're town is doomed. That's where my town is headed right now - we certainly have enough awesome people and spics, but, not an overbearing number so far - the hope is those two communities will do something to get rid of them (by one way or the other).

Given all the above (and, it's a given, it's been repeated time and time again it's the same thing over and over), why if you have a 'white town' would you ever want a black or mexican to be moving into it over a white or asian other minority? You know what the effects are going to be, so, why push for it to happen? From a white perspective (one that isn't a flaming bleeding heart liberal and/or one who has White Guilt for whatever reason), there really is no positive, only negatives.

Chuck

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Let's pause a moment for a good tune. And some relaxing images.

Steve Earle - City Of Immigrants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWnGctWs4JM

So for you it's about trolling righties. Well, someone has to do it I suppose


Growing up in Philly where the requirement for a jr. high school diploma was living through it, this isn't a mystery. A great many people are born, raised and die in the "old neighborhood". That pretty much determines what you see. The only thing that surprised me about Philly was the increase in the asian population. Seeing any was a rare event except in certain areas.

For the OP, racism does exist, but in different forms. If you were white and crossed the street, you were fair game. When I went to Temple a long time ago I tried to explain that to some people, but they said that was "racist". Well we lost a couple every year due to lack of sense. It's funny to see how sensitive people are to what they consider unacceptable situations. Sometimes it is what it is.

 

[Linflas]

What does any of that have to do with the righties in here saying racism doesn't exist in the US anymore?

And how does a map showing that populations tend to group together by ethnicity prove that it is all due to racism?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

I do. Last census data I could find was for 2007, has whites at 40% blacks at 50%. I'm sure that more blacks are here than 50%. Other thing is the whites that are here, many of them are the ones that are long term residents, so they're much older. The few whites that move here that are of family bearing age are either too poor to move somewhere else, or, have a specific reason for doing so (close to take care of an ailing parent).

The unfortunate fact is, when a town that is predominantly white starts getting blacks and mexicans moving into it, at some point, the white population there decides 'the awesome people' are moving here, time to get out, aka White Flight.

Once all the whites start moving out, invariably many more blacks and mexicans move in, as far less % of whites are wanting to buy the houses that are up for sale.

As a %, blacks and mexicans make less than whites, so there's less income. Many businesses that were long time standing in the community pack up and leave, both from reduced sales and from theft. Pretty soon, there is far less business in town, leading to far less tax revenue.

Now there's a town that has no/little business, and is full of blacks and mexicans. That might not be too bad really, at least from the perspective of the blacks and mexicans, as new businesses will invariably spring from the old. The problem is, with the blacks and mexicans come awesome people and spics.

Once you reach a point of having too many awesome people and spics, you're town is doomed. That's where my town is headed right now - we certainly have enough awesome people and spics, but, not an overbearing number so far - the hope is those two communities will do something to get rid of them (by one way or the other).

Given all the above (and, it's a given, it's been repeated time and time again it's the same thing over and over), why if you have a 'white town' would you ever want a black or mexican to be moving into it over a white or asian other minority? You know what the effects are going to be, so, why push for it to happen? From a white perspective (one that isn't a flaming bleeding heart liberal and/or one who has White Guilt for whatever reason), there really is no positive, only negatives.

Chuck

yup, that's the way the cookie crumbles.
what town btw?

 

[SP33Demon]

So for you it's about trolling righties. Well, someone has to do it I suppose


Growing up in Philly where the requirement for a jr. high school diploma was living through it, this isn't a mystery. A great many people are born, raised and die in the "old neighborhood". That pretty much determines what you see. The only thing that surprised me about Philly was the increase in the asian population. Seeing any was a rare event except in certain areas.

For the OP, racism does exist, but in different forms. If you were white and crossed the street, you were fair game. When I went to Temple a long time ago I tried to explain that to some people, but they said that was "racist". Well we lost a couple every year due to lack of sense. It's funny to see how sensitive people are to what they consider unacceptable situations. Sometimes it is what it is.

So I'm guessing you grew up in West or North Philly? South Philly is predominantly Italian/Irish and you would have had no problems at school there. It was actually the reverse there, you'd be lucky not to get your ass beat if you were black.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So I'm guessing you grew up in West or North Philly? South Philly is predominantly Italian/Irish and you would have had no problems at school there. It was actually the reverse there, you'd be lucky not to get your ass beat if you were black.

Grew up near Kensington and Allegheny. Grandparents were from Fishtown, which I understand went upscale, but I haven't been there in decades so I don't really know.

 

[Linflas]

I do. Last census data I could find was for 2007, has whites at 40% blacks at 50%. I'm sure that more blacks are here than 50%. Other thing is the whites that are here, many of them are the ones that are long term residents, so they're much older. The few whites that move here that are of family bearing age are either too poor to move somewhere else, or, have a specific reason for doing so (close to take care of an ailing parent).

The unfortunate fact is, when a town that is predominantly white starts getting blacks and mexicans moving into it, at some point, the white population there decides 'the awesome people' are moving here, time to get out, aka White Flight.

Once all the whites start moving out, invariably many more blacks and mexicans move in, as far less % of whites are wanting to buy the houses that are up for sale.

As a %, blacks and mexicans make less than whites, so there's less income. Many businesses that were long time standing in the community pack up and leave, both from reduced sales and from theft. Pretty soon, there is far less business in town, leading to far less tax revenue.

Now there's a town that has no/little business, and is full of blacks and mexicans. That might not be too bad really, at least from the perspective of the blacks and mexicans, as new businesses will invariably spring from the old. The problem is, with the blacks and mexicans come awesome people and spics.

Once you reach a point of having too many awesome people and spics, you're town is doomed. That's where my town is headed right now - we certainly have enough awesome people and spics, but, not an overbearing number so far - the hope is those two communities will do something to get rid of them (by one way or the other).

Given all the above (and, it's a given, it's been repeated time and time again it's the same thing over and over), why if you have a 'white town' would you ever want a black or mexican to be moving into it over a white or asian other minority? You know what the effects are going to be, so, why push for it to happen? From a white perspective (one that isn't a flaming bleeding heart liberal and/or one who has White Guilt for whatever reason), there really is no positive, only negatives.

Chuck

How much of that is due to socioeconomic/cultural issues rather than overt racism? It has been my experience that no one pays much attention to the race of a families that move in but let too many renters/section 8 families move in and people will take notice. As for Hispanics, it is all about them using a single family dwelling to house multiple families that generally cause the most friction, not the fact that they are hispanic.

 

[chucky2]

yup, that's the way the cookie crumbles.
what town btw?

PM'd, not that anyone couldn't figure it out if they wanted to.

Chuck

 

[chucky2]

How much of that is due to socioeconomic/cultural issues rather than overt racism? It has been my experience that no one pays much attention to the race of a families that move in but let too many renters/section 8 families move in and people will take notice. As for Hispanics, it is all about them using a single family dwelling to house multiple families that generally cause the most friction, not the fact that they are hispanic.

Sure, there's definitely that too. Good example is one of my neighbors, who's a nice guy, has a good family, definitely blue collar. Used to be, everyone kept their grass mowed once a week. This guy, he mows it every once ever two weeks, maybe three. He rarely mows the backyard, has weeds sometimes 2 feet high (not an exageration) back there. Instead of putting the old lawn bags out from last year that are full of leaves, they're sitting on the side of his garage wasting away.

It all looks like sh1t.

Now, if we went and said something, we'd be the @sshole, so we don't say anything and eventually the grass gets cut, eventually (maybe this fall perhaps) the bags will be disposed of.

But, it's definitely not up to the same standards as when the town was all white. And, this isn't just my next door neighbor. The across the street neighbor isn't half as bad, but, he's not mowing every week. And if you drive through town, there are a lot of houses that look like sh1t. All these people can afford to mow their grass, they've got 22's on their rides a ton of them (parked right out front), they've got on brand new matching outfits, etc.

It just doesn't even cross their mind to do a simple task like keeping their yard up. That would never have flown even 15 years ago, let alone 20-30. And, it doesn't fly where the middleclass whites from here moved to (Manhattan, New Lenox, Naperville, etc.). The people I know from there that come back and visit always tell me how bad the town looks, it depresses them to see how bad it's got.

But hey...they should feel bad because they don't want to take the chance of that happening to their nice towns.... D:

Chuck

P.S. The Mexicans is a whole nother issue, but is along the same lines. The additional problem with the Mex's is, a ton of them are illegal. Until they fix the illegal immigration issue in this country (by militarizing the border, and killing all who cross), we're always going to have that. No way is a legal Mex not going to put up his wife's cousin who's here illegally, and instead ire his wife and his/her family/friends by not taking in 'one of their own'.

 

[lothar]

I would think that's just common sense.
There is a thread right now about a D racist.



Are you sure about that? Your not just exaggerating are you?
Maybe you could just show me one link where either of those 2 folks say only White people are racists and African-Americans are always the victims.

Who's the D racist? I assumed people where just looking at a bunch of charts showing blacks living together with other blacks, and whites living together with other whites and concluding it's because of racism?

I have no idea who Bill Rankin is and I also did a search on google, but didn't get any results on who this "Bill Rankin" guy is (assuming that he's the racist that you're referring to unless it's Skoorb you're talking about .
http://www.google.com/search?q=Bill+Rankin%27s&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a#hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=QZb&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&q=+site:en.wikipedia.org+Bill+Rankin+wiki&sa=X&ei=aMCgTM2kNIH6lweI-KjgCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CBkQ2AQ&fp=4e781b66e30e329a

That last part wasn't really an exaggeration.
When last did you see Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson show another race besides African-Americans as victims of racism?

 

[JeepinEd]

And how does a map showing that populations tend to group together by ethnicity prove that it is all due to racism?

I agree. I think, in general, people have a natural tendency to self segregate. They prefer to be in neighborhoods with their own kind/race/culture.

 

[lothar]

And how does a map showing that populations tend to group together by ethnicity prove that it is all due to racism?

I don't get how this has to do with racism either.
Rich folks want to live with rich folks, poor folks can't live in rich areas because they can't afford them.

MOST of the maps on that page has more to do with income level or culture than race.
That long line in Detroit is the only thing I can't explain though, but everything else looks perfectly fine to me on all the other maps.

People like to play the "race" card too much.

 

[StageLeft]

MOST of the maps on that page has more to do with income level or culture than race.

More accurately, you could break down the map by income level or culture, but they are no more causal of this than race; they are simply other identifiers since race is fairly often related to income.

It is by definition racist that whites prefer whites and blacks prefer blacks. That doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong and it certainly doesn't mean it can be or even necessarily should be corrected. "it is what it is". People prefer, always have and always will, to associate with their own kind. This is why it's fair to say that the vast majority of people are to some degree racist. I think those who'd say they are not are simply not self-aware at all.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Who's the D racist?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2108383

I have no idea who Bill Rankin is

Me either?

That last part wasn't really an exaggeration.
When last did you see Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson show another race besides African-Americans as victims of racism?

Alrighty...

 

[Throckmorton]

Racism goes both ways.
The lefties don't tell you that there is racism from African-Americans against other racial groups including Africans and Hispanics either.

The lefties here, along with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would make one believe that only White people are racists, and African-Americans are always the victims.

Yes, the races are segregated because black people are racist.

 

[irishScott]

This can't be, the Righties in here are constantly saying because you have a half black President, racism does not exist in the US anymore.
The US is a huge melting pot except for them Muslims.

In other news people of different cultures and sub-cultures (usually at least in part defined by skin color) like to live with people of similar culture. If we isolate an area of any one color and map the socioeconomic levels you'd see similar lines. ZOMG CLASSISM IS KILLING AMERICA!!!

And you know this. Flamebait post is flamebait.

 

[Throckmorton]

In other news people of different cultures and sub-cultures (usually at least in part defined by skin color) like to live with people of similar culture. If we isolate an area of any one color and map the socioeconomic levels you'd see similar lines. ZOMG CLASSISM IS KILLING AMERICA!!!

And you know this. Flamebait post is flamebait.

I agree, it's not racism that creates segregation. Redlining is mostly a thing of the past.

Birds of a feather really do flock together, and it's about culture not race.