R600 Delayed AGAIN!

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: bloodthirster
Q2 Starts April 1st. So it may be just a short delay.

You must be new here. If it was delayed until "April-May" they would have said that, because thats better news. When you aren't going to get it out the door until late June, you say something ambigious like "Q2".

 

[Wreckage]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20070221023825.html

 

[the Chase]

http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=5001 - The picture being painted by most sites on this is not very encouraging. I'm in agreement with the idea that ATI is having yield problems trying to hit the clockspeed they need to trump Nvidia. Hopefully when they do launch it can be a hard launch with the extra time to get the card out.

 

[apoppin]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37768
*confirmation*

too bad ... this will kill DAAMiT

i will miss them ... very much

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: apoppin
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37768
*confirmation*

too bad ... this will kill DAAMiT

i will miss them ... very much

I take it G81 will be your next "major" GPU purchase then?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: apoppin
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37768
*confirmation*

too bad ... this will kill DAAMiT

i will miss them ... very much

I take it G81 will be your next "major" GPU purchase then?

who knows? ... whatever is best bang-for-buck when i do my upgrade

perhaps r660 may be a *superior* GPU ... i don't think DAAMiT will got out of business ... just drop to a much lower level 'player' in the business ...

my whole point is that SO MUCH was depending on this launch ... and they *failed* to deliver ... it is perceived as a *failure* in the industry ... they lost credibility with this disaster.

who cares now?

only the most dedicated fanATIc would wait for r600 ... now

 

[Roguestar]

Needs more competitive products on the market. I'm not paying the current £££ for a D3D10 graphics card, we need ATi to drive down prices .

 

[Genx87]

I also took it as the R600 isnt competitive with Nvidia current offerings. I also wonder if they are going to work on getting the poer requirements more inline with the G80.

There cant be a worse combination than slower performing, high power consuming parts in this industry.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I also took it as the R600 isnt competitive with Nvidia current offerings. I also wonder if they are going to work on getting the poer requirements more inline with the G80.

There cant be a worse combination than slower performing, high power consuming parts in this industry.

whatever DAAMiT did - they did the *worst* thing possible ...

promised then failed to deliver

i would guess it's purely a *yield issue* - they can't afford to sell higher-binned GPUs[period] --or we'd see *some kind* of a launch

looks like a repeat of X1800's flop ...

 

[Modular]

Let's do an SAT primer question:

If Duke Nukem Forever = Pipedream

R600 = ?


This is unfortunate. I guess NV will continue to hold the crown for another few months, maybe forever. The next major news item will be something like this:

"ATi has announced that due to the release of G81, R600 is no longer competitive and therefore they will not be launching the card. Instead they will begin production of R700 which one Ati spokesman has lauded saying, 'We've seen G81 and we know what we have with R700. We're confident that R700 is worth waiting for'".

LoL

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Modular
Let's do an SAT primer question:

If Duke Nukem Forever = Pipedream

R600 = ?


This is unfortunate. I guess NV will continue to hold the crown for another few months, maybe forever. The next major news item will be something like this:

"ATi has announced that due to the release of G81, R600 is no longer competitive and therefore they will not be launching the card. Instead they will begin production of R700 which one Ati spokesman has lauded saying, 'We've seen G81 and we know what we have with R700. We're confident that R700 is worth waiting for'".

LoL

is anyone really happy with this news? --
--except Gstanfor who *hates* ati

If r600 is not a success there will be NO r700

and nvidia will dominate

you like paying $900 for a flagship GPU?
:Q

well, get used to it

or get your resume in early for nvidia's viral marketing programme ... they won't be needing it much longer *without competition*

we gotta wait for intel ...

 

[Modular]

Time for Jaton to start making Ati cards?

No I'm not happy with it. I own both brands of cards and I understand simple economics. That same knowledge of economics proves to me that Ati is in serious trouble though. It's almost as if they believe that NV is still in the FX days, and that no matter how far they delay something their loyal fans will stick with them. Well, the reality is that NV is not in the FX days, they are in the working, public WHQL DX10 driver and hardware support days. And apparently they are almost a full 6 months ahead of Ati in production and research. Maybe it's time for some better competition...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Modular
Time for Jaton to start making Ati cards?

do you really think it's *funny* that there will be *no competition* and that GPU prices will take a steep and sudden rise while offering less and less for the money spent?
:thumbsdown:

if so, seek professional aid ...

 

[Modular]

And the personal attacks begin...read above again. kthnx

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Modular
And the personal attacks begin...read above again. kthnx

saying 'you're a moron' is a personal attack

asking you to 'clarify' is what i did - in the same vein as your original post

look at the time of your "edit" ... it was AFTER i posted

and, thanks for clarifying in your edit

it is bad news period

and to clarity further ... it's not ATi ... it's *all* AMD

edited ... again

 

[chrismr]

I was kind of hoping for the NVidia refreshes next month to counter the R600.

I do hope that they might have some new cards ready next month for the general public, even if the R600 is delayed yet again.

It's a pity that ATi is dropping so far behind. I hope there is no lasting damage from the delay, and that competition between the two will remain strong, as competition benefits everyone.

 

[Xerin7]

Well, this moves up my build date by several weeks. I was waiting for R600 or the new 8900GTX but now the delay isn't worth it. I'm going to get an eVGA 8800GTX and take advantage of the 3-month upgrade policy instead

 

[n7]

Goddamn :frown:

I can't use nV's 8800s for my system, since they basically have disfunctional drivers.

I swear everything i look forward to gets delayed

UT3, now R600...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Xerin7
Well, this moves up my build date by several weeks. I was waiting for R600 or the new 8900GTX but now the delay isn't worth it. I'm going to get an eVGA 8800GTX and take advantage of the 3-month upgrade policy instead

be aware that nvidia may well delay the 8900 series to *milk* 8800 and perfect their drivers ... the only reason i can see that they would release it "early" is if it saves them money by moving to a cheaper manufacturing process.

so your planned upgrade in 90 days may not work

Hey! n7 ... be glad of what you do have
[ e.g. i *don't* have a working x1950p but i DO have a 7800GS]
*mixed emotions*


but genuine sadness at my perceived eventual loss of AMD as a real competitor to intel and nvidia

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I also took it as the R600 isnt competitive with Nvidia current offerings. I also wonder if they are going to work on getting the poer requirements more inline with the G80.

There cant be a worse combination than slower performing, high power consuming parts in this industry.

I don't really get it. Why don't they just release it as a midrange part until they get the yields under control for the highend? And slower and higher power consumption is definately a bad combo, but even that kind of stuff can be moved by lowering the price. Sh|t, nvidias abysmal FX series still sold well despite it being horribly inferior to ATIs stuff. I think ATIs really problem is they don't show up for the midrange game until to late in the season.

I guess they those would be more viable stopgap measures though if they weren't just bought by AMD...which is using the same moves in the CPU segment right now. AMD has used that fall cushioning move to many times in its life though, and they've never really recovered.

I hear a lot of people saying 'nvidia is doomed' because AMD bought ATI and integrated GPUs are the future but frankly I don't really buy it. Their chipset business is in trouble, and they don't have as many opportunities for the low end integrated graphics chips...but I don't think discrete graphics cards are going anywhere, and those are their meat and potatoes. And I really don't think intel will be putting out their own competitive highend stuff anytime soon so its not like they aren't going to have motherboards to install them in.

 

[nib95]

ATI once again flops it.

 

[chizow]

Ya I was hoping to step-up to an 8900 GTS (GDDR4, smaller process, 128 shaders) for like $100 bucks more but looks like that's not gonna happen now. Only 40 days left or so on EVGA step-up.

Wouldn't have ruled out an R600 part either if the tangible benefits were there but overall I'm happy with the 8800 outside of NV's WinXP driver support. As expected, NV is busy working on Vista drivers and ignoring the much larger user base who are still using XP.

But ya this will almost certainly delay the 8900 refresh....but thinking about it this could also delay the launch of the OEM and mid-range G8X parts. The only thing driving DX10 parts at the mainstream consumer level is Vista, which still runs fine with DX9 parts. NV is still working to get solid Vista drivers out so it doesn't make sense for them to make their DX10 line widely available only to have widespread Vista support issues. Meanwhile, they can continue to clear out their lower-end G70 parts to fill the mainstream/mid-range market.

 

[Sniper82]

I might just take the money I was saving for a new video card and put it toward a Xbox 360. I mean I was wanting to wait for ATI's new card to hit to drop prices some on current cards and have more of a selection, but I don't want to give $300 for a video card now and regret it in 3-4 months.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: apoppin
but genuine sadness at my perceived eventual loss of AMD as a real competitor to intel and nvidia

I don't think it's an eventual loss, but it could be close. ATI's refresh part needs to clearly be ahead of the G8x refresh, otherwise they'll entirely be snubbed for a whole generation, and the stakes are too high these days for a repeat of the NV30 fiasco. Assuming that happens, they still need to finally launch in sync with Nvidia, I don't see how they can last being late for a 3rd time in a row(3 strikes rule).

I have to wonder how much of this is due to AMD though. It seems like they've taken a real dive since the merger both in PR and development.

 

[Munky]

Too vague to know what AMD is really up to. For all I know, it could be the reason the 'x2900' rumors showed up, due to AMD scrapping the 'x2800' part and moving forward with the 'x2900' refresh. I wouldn't mind the delay then, but the x2900 better not only trounce the g80 but also be competitive with the g81.