R600 Delayed AGAIN!

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DeathReborn

DeathReborn

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ATI R600 will NOT launch this quarter!

I just got off the phone with ATI who informed me that the Editor's Day which was scheduled around March 11 (flights and hotels were already booked) has been postponed to the second quarter of 2007.
The reason is that their R600 Series is not where they want it to be yet, so they decided to move the launch to be able to deliver a competitive product. Also I am hearing that at the Q2 launch we will see more than just GPU related stuff, so I would guess Physics or GPGPU computing.

"To better align our strategy with current market opportunities, we've changed the launch plan for R600. We are going to deliver a competitive configuration to market with an extremely attractive combination of performance, features and pricing, targeting a broader market segment in Q2. With the revised strategy, AMD will be better able to capitalize on the broad appeal of 3D graphics and DirectX 10, being driven in part by the growing popularity of Windows Vista?."

"This was a tough decision to make for us, but a necessary one that will ultimately result in bringing a better product to market."

Looks like CeBIT won't be so interesting at all.
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thilanliyan

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I'll take that with a grain of salt.

theInq will echo the news soon if true.
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:confused:

Hehe, j/k...sometimes they get it right.

I really hope it's not true...if it is, there's more market share lost for ATI.
 
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chizow

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Originally posted by: DeathReborn
The reason is that their R600 Series is not where they want it to be yetTechpowerup (Source)
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Translation: X2900XTX can't beat 8800GTX yet.

Who's making this round of ATI GPUs? AMD shouldn't have any problem getting high-performing yields on this process. We'll see if its true or not, but if ATI is delaying R600 it better result in a big performance boost with the 8900 launch apparently ready....

I'd still expect to see R600 at CeBit even if its not final silicon.
 
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terentenet

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Originally posted by: Aberforth
and Nvidia G80 WHQL drivers are out. 8900 coming soon...
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If R600 does not launch, Nvidia might feel is not necessary to bring the 8900GTX to the people since they allready have a GOOD lead with 8800GTX. I was expecting that 8900GTX. Damn DAAMIT.
 
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Rommel44

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Originally posted by: swtethan
joined last year and this is your first post?
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No my brother:|:evil: deleted everything in my email including username and password which I didnt remember so I created another account - I found password just 2 hour ago so I tried if it is working.
Sorry for OT
 
Zenoth

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I hope so, because I really, really, really wanted to see the XL variant of R600. If R600's initial launch is delayed by ... say, two or three months, then it means that the XL variant will not be released until May at the earliest, and around July at the latest. I'm not sure if I'll have enough patience, because S.T.A.L.K.E.R. comes out in March to start with ... and that's when I wanted to upgrade. I will wait until March and see what happens with R600 launch. If it is indeed delayed then I will go with a 320 MB version of GeForce 8800 GTS, such is the price of an unexpected delay for a loyal ATi consumer. If I go back with Nvidia then I will be walking in some very old territory, I haven't owned an Nvidia product since 2002.
 
ViRGE

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Originally posted by: Zenoth
It starts April 1st, but ends June 30th ...
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Unfortunately when most vendors give you a huge window like Qx, it tends to be the later in to the window than earlier. If ATI believed they could deliver it in April, they more than likely would have said so, so this is more likely a May release.:(
 
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Sable

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Christ on a bike.

ATI/AMD have royally screwed up this one. It's made them look like chumps to be honest. "We've got a DX10 WHQL driver for R600." So fvcking what? You've got NO hardware you muppets. NV have an ENORMOUS lead now, I really can't see R600 being much more powerful than G80 and when the refresh hits...BOOM!!!!

I'm normally neutral when it comes to videocards but when one company has a card and the other one doesn't and is practically an entire refresh behind... o_O
 
Zenoth

Zenoth

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Originally posted by: Sable
Christ on a bike.

ATI/AMD have royally screwed up this one. It's made them look like chumps to be honest. "We've got a DX10 WHQL driver for R600." So fvcking what? You've got NO hardware you muppets. NV have an ENORMOUS lead now, I really can't see R600 being much more powerful than G80 and when the refresh hits...BOOM!!!!

I'm normally neutral when it comes to videocards but when one company has a card and the other one doesn't and is practically an entire refresh behind... o_O
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Not to disagree with you (I do feel the rage as well), but I do wonder what is the public actually expecting from R600 in terms of performance over G80 ? I keep seeing people saying "they better have some much more powerful parts than G80" and stuff like that, I mean can anyone possibly expect something like a 200% performance boost ?

The market lead is what is important, of course. But the actual performance advantage isn't all that matters in the second place neither, let's not forget about features, that we don't know anything about so far, I think.

 
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Lonyo

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Originally posted by: Zenoth
Originally posted by: Sable
Christ on a bike.

ATI/AMD have royally screwed up this one. It's made them look like chumps to be honest. "We've got a DX10 WHQL driver for R600." So fvcking what? You've got NO hardware you muppets. NV have an ENORMOUS lead now, I really can't see R600 being much more powerful than G80 and when the refresh hits...BOOM!!!!

I'm normally neutral when it comes to videocards but when one company has a card and the other one doesn't and is practically an entire refresh behind... o_O
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Not to disagree with you (I do feel the rage as well), but I do wonder what is the public actually expecting from R600 in terms of performance over G80 ? I keep seeing people saying "they better have some much more powerful parts than G80" and stuff like that, I mean can anyone possibly expect something like a 200% performance boost ?

The market lead is what is important, of course. But the actual performance advantage isn't all that matters in the second place neither, let's not forget about features, that we don't know anything about so far, I think.
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I'm seeing a 512-bit memory bus, which implies the R600 could be pretty powerful, at least in some situations.
But not everything is memory related. Certainly it should at least match the G80, and the 512-bit bus suggests it should be overall probably more powerful, and it's aiming for quite high clock speeds.
But then there are many unknowns, so it's impossible to be sure, but people expect the R600 to be better than the G80 because it has a high mem bus, and ATi seem to be aiming high and pushing some limits (like the memory).

Only time may tell though (if they ever get it out of the door).
 
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happy medium

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Originally posted by: chizow
Originally posted by: DeathReborn
The reason is that their R600 Series is not where they want it to be yetTechpowerup (Source)
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Translation: X2900XTX can't beat 8800GTX yet.

Who's making this round of ATI GPUs? AMD shouldn't have any problem getting high-performing yields on this process. We'll see if its true or not, but if ATI is delaying R600 it better result in a big performance boost with the 8900 launch apparently ready....

I'd still expect to see R600 at CeBit even if its not final silicon.
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:thumbsup: And by the time r600 is launched , Nvidia should be ready with a 8900gtx.
I wonder how long till their next card launches? 9800gtx?
 
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LittleNemoNES

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seems like a repeat of x1800 launch. the x1900 launched only a few months later...

So maybe it will be 8900GTX vs x2900X2
 
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chizow

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Originally posted by: Zenoth
Originally posted by: Sable
Christ on a bike.

ATI/AMD have royally screwed up this one. It's made them look like chumps to be honest. "We've got a DX10 WHQL driver for R600." So fvcking what? You've got NO hardware you muppets. NV have an ENORMOUS lead now, I really can't see R600 being much more powerful than G80 and when the refresh hits...BOOM!!!!

I'm normally neutral when it comes to videocards but when one company has a card and the other one doesn't and is practically an entire refresh behind... o_O
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Not to disagree with you (I do feel the rage as well), but I do wonder what is the public actually expecting from R600 in terms of performance over G80 ? I keep seeing people saying "they better have some much more powerful parts than G80" and stuff like that, I mean can anyone possibly expect something like a 200% performance boost ?

The market lead is what is important, of course. But the actual performance advantage isn't all that matters in the second place neither, let's not forget about features, that we don't know anything about so far, I think.
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I think people were expecting 10-15% improvement over an 8800 GTX based on leaked R600 specs (core architecture and clock speed). NV would basically counter any clock speed advantage with a refresh, which is apparently ready for launch, which would put the two top-end parts on roughly equal footing.

My thoughts are that current R600 silicon can't hit the clock speeds or yields to beat the GTX at worst, or can't beat the expected 8900 GTX performance numbers at best. Basically ATI is either playing catch-up or waiting to get R600 to the point it will trump NV's refresh. Either way, they're late as hell and are going to be an entire product cycle behind.

As of right now, NV has the top 3 performing parts on the market with no competition, with the low-end performance part (320MB GTS) on the verge of falling into the mid-range market yet still beating any ATI part in 90% of games at any resolution. NV will probably release their mid-range parts regardless of R600's delay, meaning NV will have DX10 parts in every market segment while ATI has none.......

But ya this is bad news for everyone. People waiting to upgrade hoping R600 would provide options or at the very least, drive down prices. Also bad news for current 8800 owners unhappy with G80 for whatever reason or were hoping to upgrade to an 8900 sooner rather than later. Like others have said, NV has no reason to release 8900s now and have more time to improve yields and performance on G81.
 
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