R600 Delayed AGAIN!

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Elfear There would be only one manufacturer of discrete graphics

http://www.s3graphics.com/en/index.jsp
http://www.matrox.com/
http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/products/Graphics/index.asp

And of course SiS and Intel could put their integrated chips onto cards.

 

[Gstanfor]

What myself and others are saying is that it would be bad for Nvidia to buy out AMD as consumers would get the short end of that stick.

Actually I think it would be the best thing that could happen to AMD by from a business and consumer standpoint. Intel would finally find themselves up against a deadly serious competitor.

I reckon nvidia would happily unload the ATi division onto intel - after all, someone needs to address the market sectors nvidia isn't interested in (read 2nd last earning call transcript if you don't know what I'm getting at here).

 

[apoppin]

what a fantasy
:roll:

 

[Gstanfor]

AMD Warns Q1 Revenue Target Miss Likely, Stock Sinks Lower

 

[chrismr]

I did not realise that stocks had fallen so much... OUCH!

Even though I am currently an Nvidia and Intel user, I do hope that AMD pulls out of this slump.

Despite my current setup, I like AMD/ATI a lot more than I like Intel and Nvidia.

And we need the competition.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Elfear There would be only one manufacturer of discrete graphics

http://www.s3graphics.com/en/index.jsp
http://www.matrox.com/
http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/products/Graphics/index.asp

And of course SiS and Intel could put their integrated chips onto cards.

Sorry, I didn't specify "high-end" discrete graphics in that post like I did my other posts. There will certainly be other low-end products out on the market but Nvidia would be alone in the high-end segment unless Intel really pulls something amazing out of their hat.

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Actually I think it would be the best thing that could happen to AMD by from a business and consumer standpoint. Intel would finally find themselves up against a deadly serious competitor.

Well if you are unfamiliar with basic economics allow me to quote a few sections from Wikipedia.

"According to standard economic theory (see analysis above), a monopoly will sell a lower quantity of goods at a higher price than firms would in a purely competitive market."

"..overall social welfare declines, because some consumers must choose second-best products."

"It is often argued that monopolies tend to become less efficient and innovative over time, becoming "complacent giants", because they do not have to be efficient or innovative to compete in the marketplace."

None of that sounds good to me. Who wants higher prices and less innovation? The article does go on to say that with the allure of high profits enjoyed by the monopolistic company, other companies will start to develop products to compete in that market. Who knows how long that would take though. I personally don't want to wait around for years while the other graphics card manufacturers develop something to compete with Nvidia should they ever became the monopoly power in the high-end discrete graphics card segment.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Elfear
Sorry, I didn't specify "high-end" discrete graphics in that post like I did my other posts. There will certainly be other low-end products out on the market but Nvidia would be alone in the high-end segment unless Intel really pulls something amazing out of their hat.

Well I have stated this before. There is probably not enough money in the high end GPU market to support 2 companies. The pace is so fast that one slip up (like a multi-month delay) can just about kill you. Unlike the PC operating system market where you can drag your ass for years and still maintain a near total domination of the desktop.

I still say AMD will exit the high end video market. Not because of this delay, but because they don't have the resources to dedicate to it and it's not what they wanted out of ATI anyways.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Elfear
Sorry, I didn't specify "high-end" discrete graphics in that post like I did my other posts. There will certainly be other low-end products out on the market but Nvidia would be alone in the high-end segment unless Intel really pulls something amazing out of their hat.

Well I have stated this before. There is probably not enough money in the high end GPU market to support 2 companies. The pace is so fast that one slip up (like a multi-month delay) can just about kill you. Unlike the PC operating system market where you can drag your ass for years and still maintain a near total domination of the desktop.

I still say AMD will exit the high end video market. Not because of this delay, but because they don't have the resources to dedicate to it and it's not what they wanted out of ATI anyways.

on that point i will disagree 100% ... they bought ATi to win the high end graphics market ... originally.

however

IF they exit it, it will be because of the delay and they will *need* resources for more important projects.

in other words - if r600 *flops* - there will be no research money for r700 ...

 

[TanisHalfElven]

i think amd bought ati for the whole GPGOPU thing. now they have something intell does not. we've all seen how much faster a x1900xt is than a processor at folding@home. if amd can do that for other applications as well, for example if they can make that do vidoe encoding for other such tasks than they'll completely crush intells performacne advantage.