R600 Delayed AGAIN!

[lopri]

For one last time to folks who are waiting for G81 (or 8900): It won't be out till June at the earliest. The schedule has/had nothing to do with R600 and NV would have countered it with overclocked G80 or even GX2 had R600 been on track. 80nm/65nm G81 has always been scheduled for summer '07.

 

[BigDH01]

I just purchased an 8800gts 320 so this makes me unhappy. I was hoping I could step up to 8900 but I don't know if I will make that window now.

This is bad for ATi but I really don't think it is disasterous. Most of their revenue comes from mainstream and budget products and the 8800gts is just too expensive to be a mainstream product. ATi is still competitive in these segments. If nVidia releases a mainstream or budget product based on G80, then ATi has something to worry about. However, most people still don't realize what video card is in their machine or what it can do.

Regardless, this is bad news for us enthusiasts. I'm hoping that ATi hadn't really made much progress on the chip before being purchased by AMD and therefore wasn't going to be ready regardless of the acquisition. However, AMD might be more concerned with releasing mainstream and budget chips. To make a long story short, I'm worried that AMD will start focusing solely on CPGPU and budget parts in an attempt to maximize profit. AMD could effectively eliminate the competition in the highend GPU market. This may seem far fetched, but AMD is far more concerned about pushing fast and affordable platforms than they are highend discreet parts. I hope this doesn't happen.

 

[Xarick]

^ yes but people were expecting nvidia to speed up that time table to fight the r600. Which obviously isnt necessary now.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: BigDH01


This is bad for ATi but I really don't think it is disasterous. Most of their revenue comes from mainstream and budget products and the 8800gts is just too expensive to be a mainstream product. ATi is still competitive in these segments. If nVidia releases a mainstream or budget product based on G80, then ATi has something to worry about. However, most people still don't realize what video card is in their machine or what it can do.

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Mindshare sells the lowend too and only leading at the top gives that. It's the same reason el cheapo C2D's sell like crazy even if you're not overclocking to better bang for the buck X2's everyone stock. No one wants a 2nd place product from a 2nd place maker instead phychologically thinking some of that 8800GTX "juice" must be in thier 7300GS.

 

[imported_thefonz]

Maybe this is just a strategy to try and sell both the native quad cores and 28xx's together in a system, along with new chip sets!
If every peice of silicone in your computer is from AMD there gong to be making alot of freakin money, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the last of the nForce chipsets for AMD also.

Reality is that if some people upgrade there vid card, there going to get a new cpu as well (especially apg users)

Bottom line, AMD wants all your money, not just some from a video card.

Works out for me anyway cause I was gonna wait till either the current quad cores or new quad cores are around 400 before I buy a new system. I won't mind giving AMD all my cash in a couple months as long as performance is on par or better than intel/nvidia solutions.

Dual cores are so last year 🙂

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Says the person with the 8800GTX and X1900XT rigs... 😛

I never play the "waiting" game 😉 I wanted the card when I saw the benches I took it from day 1..Actually I'm very glad I did

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Even beyond3d claims this. The editors day on March 11th have been cancelled (all the flights, hotel bookings, etc) which is why alot of sites are claiming that R600 is delayed.

I just hope we are not looking at a May Launch date if they decide to go for a new respin.
The reasons for this delay could be

1) Yields are not good, or something is preventing AMD to have a real *hard launch*. (not like the 7800GTX 512mb for example)

2) Simply cannot compete with the G80 very well i.e they need to tweak/OC their card more to have a clear performance advantage this late to the game

3) They want a family launch with the mid/low range R6x0 products, or launch with barcelona at the same time.

4) Drivers are a mess, and they dont want to afford facing what nVIDIA has been facing. Theyd rather delay their product then release it with unstable drivers.

Take your pick.

I'm aware of all those possiblilities.. I don't disagree with your common logic.. IF these news are vaild, then DAAMIT screwed up royally.. Once more.. And at least for the performance "excuse" I'm not surprised at all.. 😉
The fact is that I haven't heard any news "officially" just rumors from the "street".. I think I'll hold my breath for a bit more..

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Modular
Let's do an SAT primer question:

If Duke Nukem Forever = Pipedream

R600 = ?


This is unfortunate. I guess NV will continue to hold the crown for another few months, maybe forever. The next major news item will be something like this:

"ATi has announced that due to the release of G81, R600 is no longer competitive and therefore they will not be launching the card. Instead they will begin production of R700 which one Ati spokesman has lauded saying, 'We've seen G81 and we know what we have with R700. We're confident that R700 is worth waiting for'".

LoL

is anyone really happy with this news? --
--except Gstanfor who *hates* ati

If r600 is not a success there will be NO r700 😉

and nvidia will dominate

you like paying $900 for a flagship GPU?
:Q

well, get used to it

or get your resume in early for nvidia's viral marketing programme ... they won't be needing it much longer *without competition*

we gotta wait for intel ... 🙁

All I have to say is that the chickens always come home to roost eventually. The ATi supporters, ATi staff and their viral marketers (Baumann @ B3d) had their fun with nv3x -- but the ferryman is now demanding payment. If you can't pay, you'd better get used to life in hen house.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Maybe R600 can't compete against G80...but what if we're taking the wrong perspective? What if DAAMIT's benchmark is something else? Say something totally outlandish like a 100% performance increase over G80 in certain circumstances? What if DAAMIT is trying to compete against G80's refresh?

I think some of us need to give DAAMIT some credit. They know what the stakes are. They know what NVDA more or less has waiting in the wings.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: RedStar
this is what i don't like --the r600 has not been delayed. It was always scheduled to be released Q2 --as proven by the ati roadmap leaked on a spanish web site months ago --which i have linked to several times.

Seems alot of people like to say ..hold on..don't buy anything yet ...the r600 will be released early jan....no late jan..no early feb..no late feb ...and so on.

cmon people..wake up already... the R600 has always been on track for Q2 --general availability in April.

WAKE UP! 🙂 🙂

Now the thing that made me change from waiting for the R600 was the fact that the g80 had unified shaders afterall AND ..it actually came out slightly before early expectations.

Driver trouble ... not so much, really since i don't need SLI afterall 🙂 This allows me to get around the horrible nvidia 680i chipset (i blame nvidia but many others don't 🙂

not that a real *spin*

zing

it was *official* the launch was definitely scheduled for a Cebit launch

something went horribly wrong ... like x1800 😉

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Originally posted by: Matt2
I'm not sure why you guys are so surprised. ATI has done this to us for a while now.

R600 was first supposed to launch in January, then Feb, then march, then April, and now "Q2"???

This is why I hate ATI/AMD. They're all show no go. They purposely leak specs so everyone gets excited for no other reason than to steal some sales from Nvidia. "DOn't buy a G80, we have a GPU that will trounce G80, all you have to do is wait a few months."

:thumbsdown:

more FUD ... from the *other side* ... ONLY x1800 and x2800 were/are "late" 😛

and you think they are doing this *on purpose*

i think there must have been a *show stopping bug* in the silicon
:Q

what else would do it?

Edit: i new there would be something *fowl* from Gstanfor 😛
:Q

😀

and i have a nvidia card since last week ... before the news. 😛

so there

 

[Cookie Monster]

guru3d

Posted by Hilbert Hagedoorn on February 22, 2007 - 12:39 PM

Guru3D.com ImageAs a lot of sites will report this soon. Guru3D can confirm that the upcoming AMD.ATI R600 launch has been delayed. We just received a call from an AMD's spokesperson explaining the situation. Reasoning behind the decision has to do with a number of items, among them performance as it seems. Yet AMD is telling the press it has to do with "Strategic reasons".

I personally believe that there are hefty yield issues producing this silicon. The Radeon X2900 XTX would have been the first R600 based cards with the NDA passing at the start of CeBIT and in the stores in roughly six weeks from now.

Like many other members of the media we where invited towards an AMD.ATI technology briefing starting on March 11th here in the Netherlands. So this was cancelled. I have no idea what this means for the CeBIT .. but it isn't looking good, that's a fact.

The original release was planned in November last year already. Again this is a hefty delay and the R600 fans will have to wait a while longer before they can purchase AMD-ATI's new flagship products.

So in short; this means that Q1 is a complete no go for R600 based products .. making this a release slated likely somewhere in May/June.

Its confirmed.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: RedStar
this is what i don't like --the r600 has not been delayed. It was always scheduled to be released Q2 --as proven by the ati roadmap leaked on a spanish web site months ago --which i have linked to several times.

Seems alot of people like to say ..hold on..don't buy anything yet ...the r600 will be released early jan....no late jan..no early feb..no late feb ...and so on.

cmon people..wake up already... the R600 has always been on track for Q2 --general availability in April.

WAKE UP! 🙂 🙂

Now the thing that made me change from waiting for the R600 was the fact that the g80 had unified shaders afterall AND ..it actually came out slightly before early expectations.

Driver trouble ... not so much, really since i don't need SLI afterall 🙂 This allows me to get around the horrible nvidia 680i chipset (i blame nvidia but many others don't 🙂

not that a real *spin*

zing

it was *official* the launch was definitely scheduled for a Cebit launch

something went horribly wrong ... like x1800 😉

=======================

Originally posted by: Matt2
I'm not sure why you guys are so surprised. ATI has done this to us for a while now.

R600 was first supposed to launch in January, then Feb, then march, then April, and now "Q2"???

This is why I hate ATI/AMD. They're all show no go. They purposely leak specs so everyone gets excited for no other reason than to steal some sales from Nvidia. "DOn't buy a G80, we have a GPU that will trounce G80, all you have to do is wait a few months."

:thumbsdown:

more FUD ... from the *other side* ... ONLY x1800 and x2800 were/are "late" 😛

and you think they are doing this *on purpose*

i think there must have been a *show stopping bug* in the silicon
:Q

what else would do it?

You're kinda misunderstanding what I am saying.

ONLY x1800 and x2800 were/are "late" 😛

You're talking about two families GPUs that are "late". R520 and R600. That's two out of the last three flagship GPUs that are late and I am talking extremely late. Even the R580 could be considered a refresh of R520 and not it's own series of GPUs like R600 vs R520.

On the other side you have Nvidia which has been on time and hard launching GPUs from the NV40 all the way to G80.

and you think they are doing this *on purpose*

I dont think they are purposely trying to arrive six months late to the big dance on purpose.

I think they leak the specs of their new GPUs, promise launch dates that are pushed back over and over again and ultimately paper launch on purpose. They do these things to try and make up for being so late with their products so they dont have to address the real issue: why their products are so late to begin with.

 

[apoppin]

they will never tell you till it is long past

it looks like:
1) yield
2) silicon problems

or both

they had a hard launch scheduled

as i said, something is *horribly wrong* and they will SPIN to minimize the *damage* [just like nvidia would do if they were *stuck* in such a bad place]
[if it's like 1800, then we have to wait for r650 😛 ... or them for figure and fix what's wrong ... wanna wait till July?]


--look for the FUD to come thick and fast via ATi [now DAAMiT] viral marketing 😉

my prediction

and i feel bad for them and i don't blame them to *do anything* to survive this apparant crisis.

 

[Matt2]

The question I want answered is will this be another R520 launch where it is so late that R580 was only three months away? Will we see R600's refresh in July or will they wait out their original product cycle?

I would be very weary of buying an R600 until I knew their wasnt going to be an R620 (or whatever) waiting for 8900GTX. Otherwise you'll be in the same position as R520 owners were when R580 launched.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Matt2
The question I want answered is will this be another R520 launch where it is so late that R580 was only three months away? Will we see R600's refresh in July or will they wait out their original product cycle?

I would be very weary of buying an R600 until I knew their wasnt going to be an R620 (or whatever) waiting for 8900GTX. Otherwise you'll be in the same position as R520 owners were when R580 launched.

you want my opinion?
:Q

i'll give it anyway and i mostly did in the "edit" above:

Since they had a *hard launch* scheduled it looks like they had both yield and silicon problems ... you can get around "yield"


as i said, something is *horribly wrong* --IF it's like x1800, then we have to wait for r650 ... or for them to figure and fix what's wrong ...
... wanna wait till July?

neither do their partners ... and it it costs them AGAIN ... i sense desertion. 😉

only the most hard bitten ATi fanboy will postpone an upgrade to wait ... for r650 in the fall, worst case

i sure know *i* would NOT wait if i had an upgrade coming

 

[imported_thefonz]

I posted this in the different thread but i'm going to post it again just cause there are like 4 threads going on this right now
My thoughts on the R600 etc

"Maybe this is just a strategy to try and sell both the native quad cores and 28xx's together in a system, along with new chip sets!
If every piece of silicone in your computer is from AMD there gong to be making alot of freakin money, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the last of the nForce chipsets for AMD also.

Reality is that if some people upgrade there vid card, there going to get a new cpu as well (especially apg users)

Bottom line, AMD wants all your money, not just some from a video card.

Works out for me anyway cause I was gonna wait till either the current quad cores or new quad cores are around 400 before I buy a new system. I won't mind giving AMD all my cash in a couple months as long as performance is on par or better than intel/nvidia solutions.

Dual cores are so last year "

They obviously had it ready,they invited all the press, And then they cancel? this is a pure strategic $ decision,
Anyone believing yield issues must be retarded, They had 13 revisions before this, and if they can't figure it out by now, they really are screwed.

If the all this bull ****** hype about yield etc is true, this is terrible for the computer market, you might as well bend over right now and let nvidia have its way with you,
$1000 *NEW* high end gpu's for a 5% performance gain and some useless features here we come! Hoorayy!!!!

Ditto for Intel if AMD can't compete soon in cpu's

 

[apoppin]

nope ... they had a HARD launch *scheduled*

there is something *horribly wrong* to postpone it "to Q2"

June 30 is Q2

 

[nitromullet]

On the other side you have Nvidia which has been on time and hard launching GPUs from the NV40 all the way to G80

NV40 wasn't hard launched... Both NV and ATI paper launched the 6-series and the X800s, and it took about a month for cards to actually become available (someone on AT coined the phrase 'great video card famine of 2004' IIRC)... Only with G70, did NV finally pull off a hard launch, which they subsequently tainted (IMO) with the horrible launch of the 7800GTX 512MB. I think with G80, NV has developed a new type of launch, maybe a "driverless launch" where the actual hardware ships, but solid drivers only come months later. NVIDIA has been a bit better with launches than ATI, but both companies have realized that it's better for them to launch half-assed than to launch too late to be competitive, which I don't think AMD is willing to do.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: apoppin

If r600 is not a success there will be NO r700 😉

one bad generation wont kill a company. look at nvidia during the FX disaster -- they survived just fine. even though the entire fx line pretty much sucked, they still survived. 🙂

look at how well the FX5200 sold. sure, it was really slow, but OMG IT HAS DX9!1!!!. IMO, that's what ATI needs to do right now - get a low end DX10 part out, and it WILL sell a lot of cards with a decent marketing strategy that pushes it's advantage over "outdated" dx9 cards even though it will probably be slower than the higher end dx9 cards available today. 😉 Dell/hp and the big computer companies will probably buy a bunch for their "ultimate gaming" computers. at the very least it'll give ATI some more revenue AND make people think more highly of them in case they cant get r600 out the door for another 3-4 months. 🙂

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: apoppin

If r600 is not a success there will be NO r700 😉

one bad generation wont kill a company. look at nvidia during the FX disaster -- they survived just fine. even though the entire fx line pretty much sucked, they still survived. 🙂

look at how well the FX5200 sold. sure, it was really slow, but OMG IT HAS DX9!1!!!. IMO, that's what ATI needs to do right now - get a low end DX10 part out, and it WILL sell a lot of cards with a decent marketing strategy that pushes it's advantage over "outdated" dx9 cards even though it will probably be slower than the higher end dx9 cards available today. 😉 Dell/hp and the big computer companies will probably buy a bunch for their "ultimate gaming" computers. at the very least it'll give ATI some more revenue AND make people think more highly of them in case they cant get r600 out the door for another 3-4 months. 🙂

AMD already had its ass handed to it with Core2duo

now they are really embarassingly late with x2800 and had to CANCEL a HARD launch
:Q

that is BAD news and indicating serious problems inside their company

IF Barcelona ALSO fails to BEAT intel's best ... well ...

... then ...

R.I.P. :brokenheart:

i am hoping for a *miracle* ... now

 

[imported_thefonz]

Originally posted by: apoppin
nope ... they had a HARD launch *scheduled*

there is something *horribly wrong* to postpone it "to Q2"

June 30 is Q2

june 30 is the end of q2, which is worst case scenario, april 1st best case

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: thefonz

Originally posted by: apoppin
nope ... they had a HARD launch *scheduled*

there is something *horribly wrong* to postpone it "to Q2"

June 30 is Q2

june 30 is the end of q2, which is worst case scenario, april 1st best case

*April Fool*


and then maybe October, absolutely worst case 😛


seriously ... IF it were gonna Be "April XX" ... then they would still have launched it at CeBit

no ... something is *wrong* 🙁

 

[Pocatello]

Originally posted by: thefonz

Originally posted by: apoppin
nope ... they had a HARD launch *scheduled*

there is something *horribly wrong* to postpone it "to Q2"

June 30 is Q2

june 30 is the end of q2, which is worst case scenario, april 1st best case

So it's somewhere in between.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Maybe R600 can't compete against G80...but what if we're taking the wrong perspective? What if DAAMIT's benchmark is something else? Say something totally outlandish like a 100% performance increase over G80 in certain circumstances? What if DAAMIT is trying to compete against G80's refresh?

I think some of us need to give DAAMIT some credit. They know what the stakes are. They know what NVDA more or less has waiting in the wings.

If that were so they would hold closed door benchmarks session with what they have now to stem the tide of everyone buying NV. Sorta like Intel did with C2D in April 06.

Nope sorry; no 100% faster, no 40% faster, no nothin faster is why they are retooling the R600.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Pocatello

Originally posted by: thefonz

Originally posted by: apoppin
nope ... they had a HARD launch *scheduled*

there is something *horribly wrong* to postpone it "to Q2"

June 30 is Q2

june 30 is the end of q2, which is worst case scenario, april 1st best case

So it's somewhere in between.

*Optimistic Press Release*

Hoping they fix what's wrong by then

if not ... Q3 ... Fall ... and a hurried to market r660

 

[ronnn]

Wow, this one is a surprise. Pictures popping up - and hints on certain sites of people being in the know. Wonder what happened to change their plans. Possibly our fanboys are right and this is the end of amd as a high end company. Or maybe amd came across an improvement that they wanted to incorporate in the whole line. Oh well, luckily for me I rarely buy high end and have no need for vista at this time. Now a nice wait until June for some competition. Lets hope they will reduce energy consumption from last gen.....