Quick Poll: Should Trump be Impeached?

[fskimospy]

What corruption did trump do exactly! Russia didn't put a gun to anyone's head and tell them who to vote for.

Well as of the moment he’s implicated in four felonies. How many felonies do you need before you agree he engaged in corruption?

The only collusion was between trump and over half of american voters voters. Talk about poor loosers.

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You realize Trump lost the popular vote by millions, right?

 

[Moonbeam]

Well as of the moment he’s implicated in four felonies. How many felonies do you need before you agree he engaged in corruption?

I was taught that I would be saved and a really cool person if I could believe that if God told me to, I should sacrifice my own son to him. Four felonies seems pretty easy by comparison. You do realize, I hope, that Trump is God. He's just like the Bible. They will both tell you they are the truth itself. I don't fancy giving up my faith just so I can go to hell.

 

[Viper1j]

You do realize, I hope, that Trump is God. He's just like the Bible. They will both tell you they are the truth itself. I don't fancy giving up my faith just so I can go to hell.

Revelation 19:20
The false prophet of the end times is described in Revelation 13:11-15. He is also referred to as the “second beast” (Revelation 16:13, 19:20, 20:10). Together with the Antichrist and Satan, who empowers both of them, the false prophet is the third party in the unholy trinity.

His name is Donald Trump

 

[brycejones]

What corruption did trump do exactly! Russia didn't put a gun to anyone's head and tell them who to vote for. The only collusion was between trump and over half of american voters voters. Talk about poor loosers.

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Lordy do you even know the popular vote totals?

 

[Amused]

I don’t need to imply it, both sides absolutely ignore laws when politically expedient. Stop doing so if you dislike being called on it. Better yet stop rationalizing to yourself to one lie (Clinton’s) is better than another (Trump’s) for the sole reason of which political party the teller belonged to.

Cool. Who's blatantly ignoring the law now? Who's lawyer has pled guilty to campaign finance fraud and implicated his boss in ordering it knowingly, multiple times?

Your "both-sides" rings hollow and carries no weight. All it reeks of is no integrity or standards.

 

[glenn1]

Cool. Who's blatantly ignoring the law now? Who's lawyer has pled guilty to campaign finance fraud and implicated his boss in ordering it knowingly, multiple times?

Your "both-sides" rings hollow and carries no weight. All it reeks of is no integrity or standards.

Let’s not pretend you care about integrity or standards. If you did then you’d be consistent with the last Democratic position on basically the same issue and you’d be pushing Congressional censure and not impeachment. If you want to follow the GOP route then first win back Congress, proceed with impeachment and have him acquitted in the Senate like happened last time.

 

[bermont33]

Lordy do you even know the popular vote totals?

The fact is he got the majority of eletoral votes, and that makes him more popular. Way more popular than crooked Hillary.

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[brycejones]

The fact is he got the majority of eletoral votes, and that makes him more popular. Way more popular than crooked Hillary.

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LOL, Who were you before you were banned?

 

[Amused]

Let’s not pretend you care about integrity or standards. If you did then you’d be consistent with the last Democratic position on basically the same issue and you’d be pushing Congressional censure and not impeachment. If you want to follow the GOP route then first win back Congress, proceed with impeachment and have him acquitted in the Senate like happened last time.

Riiight, There is no comparison here. We have Watergate part two.

And here you are giving the same lame excuses Nixon supporters did: "Every politician does it, he just got caught/witch hunt."

Not buying it.

 

[glenn1]

Riiight, There is no comparison here. We have Watergate part two.

And here you are giving the same lame excuses Nixon supporters did: "Every politician does it, he just got caught/witch hunt."

Not buying it.

Except in this case the two I mentioned did quite literally the exact same thing; lie to the government to conceal embarrassing sexual escapades.

 

[Jaskalas]

Well as of the moment he’s implicated in four felonies. How many felonies do you need before you agree he engaged in corruption?

Fancy way of saying he paid hush money to cover an affair.
Worse than lying under oath to do the same?

I want Trump impeached, but this argument over affairs is pathetic in the wake of Bill Clinton.

 

[bermont33]

LOL, Who were you before you were banned?

Probably you!

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[interchange]

Except in this case the two I mentioned did quite literally the exact same thing; lie to the government to conceal embarrassing sexual escapades.

If both are guilty and you think what Clinton did was equivalent to what Trump did then you are not thinking clearly.

 

[fskimospy]

Fancy way of saying he paid hush money to cover an affair.
Worse than lying under oath to do the same?

I want Trump impeached, but this argument over affairs is pathetic in the wake of Bill Clinton.

Clinton lied under oath and that was bad, but had nothing to do with the conduct of the office. Trump on the other hand appears to have committed at least four felonies that could have very well won him the presidency. It’s not at all crazy to think that having these specific affairs revealed to the public right before the election could have caused him to lose some fraction of 1% of the vote, meaning he would have lost the election.

Someone winning the presidency through illegal or corrupt means is one of the explicit reasons laid out by the founders as grounds for impeachment.

 

[glenn1]

Clinton lied under oath and that was bad, but had nothing to do with the conduct of the office. Trump on the other hand appears to have committed at least four felonies that could have very well won him the presidency. It’s not at all crazy to think that having these specific affairs revealed to the public right before the election could have caused him to lose some fraction of 1% of the vote, meaning he would have lost the election.

Someone winning the presidency through illegal or corrupt means is one of the explicit reasons laid out by the founders as grounds for impeachment.

Stop being dishonest with yourself. The sex or coverup means nothing to you else you’d have called for Clinton’s ouster. The “crime” which Trump committed that you want him impeached for is actually that he won the election period. He’s the very caricature of that which you hate and thus why you want him gone, the payoffs are merely a convenient vehicle to push what you’d have pushed for regardless. If this were instead Bill Clinton’s third term you’d just wink at the same behavior and say “that’s just old Bill being a horn dog again” and argue the other side was puritanical hypocrites to attempt impeachment “because of a blow job.”

 

[fskimospy]

Stop being dishonest with yourself. The sex or coverup means nothing to you else you’d have called for Clinton’s ouster. The “crime” which Trump committed that you want him impeached for is actually that he won the election period. He’s the very caricature of that which you hate and thus why you want him gone, the payoffs are merely a convenient vehicle to push what you’d have pushed for regardless. If this were instead Bill Clinton’s third term you’d just wink at the same behavior and say “that’s just old Bill being a horn dog again” and argue the other side was puritanical hypocrites to attempt impeachment “because of a blow job.”

The projection here is really hard core.

It is very telling that you think other people would only think multiple felonies committed to win an election should have consequences out of partisanship. Sad to see you have such a diseased view of the world.

 

[interchange]

Stop being dishonest with yourself. The sex or coverup means nothing to you else you’d have called for Clinton’s ouster. The “crime” which Trump committed that you want him impeached for is actually that he won the election period. He’s the very caricature of that which you hate and thus why you want him gone, the payoffs are merely a convenient vehicle to push what you’d have pushed for regardless. If this were instead Bill Clinton’s third term you’d just wink at the same behavior and say “that’s just old Bill being a horn dog again” and argue the other side was puritanical hypocrites to attempt impeachment “because of a blow job.”

This is perhaps the most absurd thing I have ever read. You are saying that calling for someone who committed felonies for the principle purpose of winning an election to be removed from office represents nothing other than bias against said person. How could anyone anywhere with a straight face say that someone who commits felonies for the purpose of winning an election should retain their office when caught?

 

[JSt0rm]

Revelation 19:20
The false prophet of the end times is described in Revelation 13:11-15. He is also referred to as the “second beast” (Revelation 16:13, 19:20, 20:10). Together with the Antichrist and Satan, who empowers both of them, the false prophet is the third party in the unholy trinity.

His name is Donald Trump

dont dis the antichrist like that. He wouldnt play so stupid.

 

[Viper1j]

What corruption did trump do exactly! Russia didn't put a gun to anyone's head and tell them who to vote for. The only collusion was between trump and over half of american voters voters. Talk about poor loosers.

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Drug dealers don't put a gun to anyone's head to force them to buy crack, but cops still arrest them.

 

[mikeymikec]

Fancy way of saying he paid hush money to cover an affair.
Worse than lying under oath to do the same?

Out of curiosity, morally speaking do you think a public official such as the President lying under oath is different to them lying when not under oath?

IMO there shouldn't even be a concept of 'under oath' for a public official. If they lied on the record, they should get burnt just the same (figuratively speaking).

 

[Bitek]

Except in this case the two I mentioned did quite literally the exact same thing; lie to the government to conceal embarrassing sexual escapades.

I look how you are just glossing over the part where he committed fraud, campaign finance violations and other felonies.

And this is just one legal front.

He had to settle a fraud case re Trump U before he even took office, as well as he had openly violated the Emaluments clause of the Constitution, and the fraudulent activities of his "charity" (which was forced to close) are under active investigation.


That's before we even get to crack open his finances in earnest, which given his pattern of behavior, let's prepare ourselves for multiple counts of fraud and tax evasion.
He wants to hide them for good reason.

But other than that, yeah, exactly the same.

 

[glenn1]

I look how you are just glossing over the part where he committed fraud, campaign finance violations and other felonies.

Vs. lying under oath to a grand jury, you say toe-may-toe and I say toe-mah-toe. It's lying about sex, the pearl clutching about "well it was BEFORE the election" is completely insincere.

And this is just one legal front.

He had to settle a fraud case re Trump U before he even took office, as well as he had openly violated the Emaluments clause of the Constitution, and the fraudulent activities of his "charity" (which was forced to close) are under active investigation.


That's before we even get to crack open his finances in earnest, which given his pattern of behavior, let's prepare ourselves for multiple counts of fraud and tax evasion.
He wants to hide them for good reason.

But other than that, yeah, exactly the same.

Which is why my initial response directly spoke to the possibility (if not probability) there would be more to come which would make a stronger case for impeachment than currently exists. Considering the rate at which Trump says stupid things the projected timeframe for him saying something which is unequivocably impeachable is probably a few months but could be weeks or even days seeing how clueless the man is. With what we know *now* the consistent and correct answer is a Congressional censure. The better answer would have been for both Clinton and Trump to resign but Clinton already set that precedent of not resigning with the enthusiastic support of Democrats.

 

[bermont33]

So who are you comparing to drug dealers trump or russia. That makes no sense.

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[Sunburn74]

Completely disagree with you Glenn.

You forget the decades of history trump has with lies and false statements (birther claims?), the rampant criminal indictments of people he surrounds himself with, and the fact that he cannot maintain the same story about anything, not just the sexual issues. He couldn't be honest about when he found out about Flynn, or manafort or his taxes or his interactions with Russians or whether his school was actually a school. You're basically looking at one tiny sliver of Trump's general decades of lying and saying that makes him equivalent to someone to made only one possible (key word is possible) lie. Stop trying to make everything equivalent. This is what bad people do. "Hey look over here because it's all the same. There are no laws or morality because everyone does the same bad stuff at the same rate"

The reality is we've never had a guy in office with a much animosity for the truth as this guy. He is clearly by far the dirtiest person to ever hold the office (his lawsuits alone)

 

[jackstar7]

Hey @glenn1
Clinton's lie wasn't as bad as the sexual indiscretion. He opened himself to potentially being compromised by the information about the affair and as president, that's unacceptable. It was a failing of his character and had Rs attacked him on this front they might have gotten somewhere, but they chose to be fucking morons instead and spike the ball before they were even inside the 20.

Trump is worse by a factor of at least 100. Let's stop fucking around about it.