Question Qualcomm's first Nuvia based SoC - Hamoa

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NTMBK

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There's been some interesting rumors on the Korean forums, supposedly (take it as a grain of salt):

2024 8g3 will be N4P and still Cortex cores
2025 8g4 will N3E and Nuvia Oryon CPU. Supposedly 2x Phoenix-I cores + 6x Phoenix-M cores

2024 Exynos 2400 will be 1x X4 + 2x A720 + 3x A720 + 4x A520
2025 Exynos 2500 will be 1x X5 + 3x X5 + 2x A730 + 4x A520 with an interesting big+mid+little+tiny config (big X5 at 3.2~3.3GHz and mid X5 cores 2.3~2.5GHz)
Another two years until we see Nuvia cores? Urgh.
 

FlameTail

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Should we make a new thread? It seems the leaks are gonna keep coming now.
 

poke01

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Should we make a new thread? It seems the leaks are gonna keep coming now.
This is one is fine until Qualcomm releases their chips to the public.
 

soresu

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I'm just going to laugh until my throat lining is gone if it turns out that Sophia Antipolis cranked out a CPU core competitive with Oryon for Cortex X4/Hunter-ELP.

To fail once with Kryo was bad enough, to fail twice would just be the stuff of legends.

Given ARM Ltd's performance of late I doubt that this will be the case, but there's always a possibility of surprise 😅
 

beginner99

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I'm just going to laugh until my throat lining is gone if it turns out that Sophia Antipolis cranked out a CPU core competitive with Oryon for Cortex X4/Hunter-ELP.

To fail once with Kryo was bad enough, to fail twice would just be the stuff of legends.

Given ARM Ltd's performance of late I doubt that this will be the case, but there's always a possibility of surprise 😅
Just a matter of time to market. when they bought nuvia it might have looked great but then as usually in big corps things take much longer than they should and the competition can catch up.
 

FlameTail

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I'm just going to laugh until my throat lining is gone if it turns out that Sophia Antipolis cranked out a CPU core competitive with Oryon for Cortex X4/Hunter-ELP.

To fail once with Kryo was bad enough, to fail twice would just be the stuff of legends.

Given ARM Ltd's performance of late I doubt that this will be the case, but there's always a possibility of surprise 😅
Is Sophia-Antipolis so great? The way you (and almost everyone else) speaks makes them look legendary.
 

soresu

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Is Sophia-Antipolis so great? The way you (and almost everyone else) speaks makes them look legendary.
They designed Cortex A9, A12/A17, A73 and A75 - all very efficient and performant cores.

By comparison the Austin design team have a tendency to go big and sometimes over do it a bit pushing performance leading to cores that are not so great efficiency wise in their first node target.

I wouldn't call the Sophia-Antipolis design team great, but what they managed with more constrained compute resources on A75 was pretty impressive.

Supposedly the A720/Hunter and X4/Hunter-ELP cores are ground up designs with a greater performance target in mind since shortly after the SoftBank acquisition when they started having greater R&D capital for designing several larger cores in parallel to become competitive with the higher end (aka Apple).

Whether the SA team can meet that target is certainly an interesting question.

From what I was told a couple of years ago the A710/X2 generation codenamed Matterhorn was supposd to be this new SA ground up design.

Instead we got a further evolution of Austin's A76 continuity (A76 was their last truly ground up design) - and A715/X3 is another Austin evolution.

At this point I have to admit I'm well past anxious that something has gone horribly wrong forcing a complete restart.
 
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