Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

[mvprod123]

8 elite gen 5 die shot

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

20 watts for 12k+ score in MTView attachment 130927

Scales further with power than a Steam Deck. lmao

GB 6 ST perf/watt View attachment 130926

10W+ 1t package power in a phone, coming to you in 2026 I guess.

 

[mvprod123]

 

[mvprod123]

Oryon L (9-wide) and Oryon-M (4-wide)

 

[adroc_thurston]

10W+ 1t package power in a phone, coming to you in 2026 I guess.

12W actually.

 

[poke01]

NVL's not gonna touch datboi either.

Crazy

 

[adroc_thurston]

Crazy

That's the price one pays for being stuck wrt frequency.

 

[Joe NYC]

what

The original claim was LPDDR5 of 8448 MT/s. They seem to have lost a gigaherz.

no it isn't they're both DDR memories wtaf are you on.

not the same
DIMM vs. MrDIMM

 

[adroc_thurston]

The original claim was LPDDR5 of 8448 MT/s. They seem to have lost a gigaherz.

Oh wait no sorry, that's correct.
7446 was MTL.

not the same
DIMM vs. MrDIMM

From the IMC POV it's the same thing.

 

[jdubs03]

Low-res but for now it’ll do. Didn’t see them posted.

 

[jdubs03]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1970950509759770958

 

[Raqia]

GB 6 ST perf/watt View attachment 130926

Likely the cost of 12 MB vs 16 MB of L2 --they integrate the modem (a part which Srouji called the most complex that his team ever undertaken) which Apple does not.

They crammed SME, 50% more GPU cache, a better modem and a better NPU into the same die size --impressive.

 

[poke01]

Likely the cost of 12 MB vs 16 MB of L2 --they integrate the modem (a part which Srouji called the most complex that his team ever undertaken) which Apple does not.

They crammed SME, 50% more GPU cache, a better modem and a better NPU into the same die size --impressive.

Yeah very impressive.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Yeah very impressive.

Pretty sure N3p offers like a 4% optical shrink, but still good.

 

[branch_suggestion]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1970961287548203125

Gonna need an area calc on that.

 

[poke01]

Gonna need an area calc on that.

The CPU package will be small. These are very tiny cores for the performance they pack.

 

[Aeonsim]

The 192b memory bus for the top SKU looks interesting. Good to see the continued march towards faster memory with both wider buses and high MT.
That gives us Apples Mx Pro/Max/Ultra, AMD's Strix Halo and the Qualcomm X2 with greater than 128bit buses on consumer hardware.

 

[adroc_thurston]

The 192b memory bus for the top SKU looks interesting. Good to see the continued march towards faster memory with both wider buses and high MT.
That gives us Apples Mx Pro/Max/Ultra, AMD's Strix Halo and the Qualcomm X2 with greater than 128bit buses on consumer hardware.

It's only 192b for a single meme-y MoP SKU unfortunately.

 

[msj10]

Apple P cores are still much better

 

[jdubs03]

Any idea why the IPC measurement would be at 3.65GHz instead of 4.61GHz? (Similar lower freq measurement for the 8 Elite)

Using the line curves (at peak score/frequency), I got 2.14 pts/GHz for Int, and 3.58 pts/GHz for FP.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Any idea why the IPC measurement would be at 3.65GHz instead of 4.61GHz?

Frequency stability.

 

[SteinFG]

X2 Elite Extreme?
8 Elite Gen 5?
Awful naming from them lately.

 

[Doug S]

So pretty obvious that the X2 Elite Extreme is a binned X2 Elite. And I'm gonna guess the 12 core X2 Elite is also the same die, but binned on defects/power rather than clock rate.

I wonder what the 1T power difference is between 5.0 GHz and 4.7 GHz? How much extra power are they burning for that last 6% of clock? Were they just squeezing every drop they could while still yielding a useful number of top bin dies, or were they chasing some particular performance target? Anyone see anything out there or on the horizon that the 5 GHz part just barely beats, but the 4.7 GHz part falls short of?

 

[adroc_thurston]

So pretty obvious that the X2 Elite Extreme is a binned X2 Elite

Wrong, it's basically a halo SKU, with MoP (and thus full memory width) and a different package.

And I'm gonna guess the 12 core X2 Elite is also the same die, but binned on defects/power rather than clock rate.

Yup and there's also a dedicated 6+6 die for mainstream later on.

Anyone see anything out there or on the horizon that the 5 GHz part just barely beats, but the 4.7 GHz part falls short of?

yea.

 

[jdubs03]

Frequency stability.

Gotcha. I should point out. He probably will give a max frequency version.
As in:

But clearly, we can deduce from the curve plots.
Looks like IPC in integer increased by 4% and in floating point by 8%.
Quite similar to the IPC increase for the A19P (just reversing with Int/FP).