'Purple heart bandages' spark Dems' ire

[classy]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Hmm.. let's see here:

Originally posted by: Infohawk

You should be ashamed for questioning a Vietnam vet. You denigrate the memory of all those who have served our great country in the last centuries and their ancestors. Shame on you Crimson.

Originally posted by: classy

No you and the other Vets are to cowardice to have the stones like Kerry did and say the war in Vietnam was wrong.

Originally posted by: Infohawk

classy, thank you for owning "shadowhawk".

Questioning vets who disagree with you == shameful
Questioning vets who agree with you == ownage

Did I get that right? I hope so, as I sometimes have a hard time keeping up with all the rules of partisan hypocrisy.

What I said was not hypocrisy. Kerry didn't criticize all vets. He criticized those who did wrong and those who had him as well others do things that were wrong. He repeated things that were told to him by other vets. We lost nearly 60,000 lives for a war even today, 30 damn years later, still can't justify or even understand. And you have the nerve to bring up hypocrisy. Weak...........

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: classy
He could have been like a lot of vets and came home and tried to use his decorated service to help himself. But instead he took the high road.

You mean like he's doing now?

Originally posted by: dannybin1742
see i don't understand where you guys who say this come from, the reason he is using his vietnam record is to show that he is a leader even though he came from a priviledged family, unlike the other guy who avoided vietnam by pulling strings to get into guard duty, and then didn't even show up, you should be angry about somone who professes himself as a leader and he wasn't around to defend the country, also someone who says he supports the troops and cuts health benefits to families of troops and ill- equipts them for battle, you are focusing your outcry at bush, not to mension that he cut veterans benefits

As I've said before, there isn't much similarity between being in charge of a boat with a couple guys on it and being the Commander in Chief. Oh wait, there are no similarities. Exhibiting leadership in the heat of battle is a completely different talent than exhibiting good judgment in a detached country.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: classyNo you and the other Vets are to cowardice to have the stones like Kerry did and say the war in Vietnam was wrong. And before you start with any harsh words for me, I had 3 relatives who served over there and 2 of them were shot, one a couple of times. As a little boy I attended a couple of funerals of those who died there. What he did took courage.

what he did he did basically because he had no choice. he went expecting NOT to get into combat, once he got transferred to a hot zone he BS'ed his way to getting some medals most of which he does not deserve, and got out ASAP, you might dfine that as "brave" but most of us that have worn the uniform do not.

Originally posted by: classyHe could have been like a lot of vets and came home and tried to use his decorated service to help himself. But instead he took the high road. Despite the backlash from his fellow soldiers, he told the truth.

uhhh. he is trying to use his "decorated service to help himself" NOW. i am amazed you did not notice this! he did then as well when protesting the war was a popular thing to do...and politicians especially democrats are always very mindful of what is popular...and even then he was dishonest about it PRETENDING to throw his medals over a fence when in fact he actually did not, even then using them to deceive the sheep.

Originally posted by: classyAs a matter of fact 15-20 years ago I remember when my cousin used to talk about some the things that went on over there. In addition to some of things that Kerry spoke of, many of them came home messed up in their minds and became drug addicts on top of that. Its sad to hear these so called Vets refuse to tell the truth.

This whole mess is so similar to the movie Casualties Of War, with MJ Fox.

some of the things DID happen, in that war AND EVERY OTHER do you want to know why? well there are a number of reasons but here is 1 basic foundational reason.

1. soldiers, just as in the population they come from will have a percentage that are just plain bad people: that is thieves, rapists..etc. are still what they are in uniform and out. they did in country what they did back on the block.

You need help or counseling or something. Was you there? How do you know he bs'ed his way to medals? Last time I checked the whole F'IN Navy decides who gets what. The Navy, not Kerry, not Oneill, not some dried up, disgruntled vets either. He served in the same way they all did and YOU included. He could have come home and just been a lauded war hero under the republican party. He tried to help stop a senseless war. Obviously you didn't learn a damn thing when you was there. I give him serious credit. He spoke out trying to save the lives of others and you poor bastards trash him like this was some kind of fraternity war. I can not believe how ridiculous some of you sound. And by the way I am glad you did serve our country and glad you came home. But you came home alive almost 60,00 others didn't. John Kerry understood that and wanted to stop it. John Kerry understands the truth about war. A lot folks throw around war like its some kind of hip word.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: classyNo you and the other Vets are to cowardice to have the stones like Kerry did and say the war in Vietnam was wrong. And before you start with any harsh words for me, I had 3 relatives who served over there and 2 of them were shot, one a couple of times. As a little boy I attended a couple of funerals of those who died there. What he did took courage.

what he did he did basically because he had no choice. he went expecting NOT to get into combat, once he got transferred to a hot zone he BS'ed his way to getting some medals most of which he does not deserve, and got out ASAP, you might dfine that as "brave" but most of us that have worn the uniform do not.

Originally posted by: classyHe could have been like a lot of vets and came home and tried to use his decorated service to help himself. But instead he took the high road. Despite the backlash from his fellow soldiers, he told the truth.

uhhh. he is trying to use his "decorated service to help himself" NOW. i am amazed you did not notice this! he did then as well when protesting the war was a popular thing to do...and politicians especially democrats are always very mindful of what is popular...and even then he was dishonest about it PRETENDING to throw his medals over a fence when in fact he actually did not, even then using them to deceive the sheep.

Originally posted by: classyAs a matter of fact 15-20 years ago I remember when my cousin used to talk about some the things that went on over there. In addition to some of things that Kerry spoke of, many of them came home messed up in their minds and became drug addicts on top of that. Its sad to hear these so called Vets refuse to tell the truth.

This whole mess is so similar to the movie Casualties Of War, with MJ Fox.

some of the things DID happen, in that war AND EVERY OTHER do you want to know why? well there are a number of reasons but here is 1 basic foundational reason.

1. soldiers, just as in the population they come from will have a percentage that are just plain bad people: that is thieves, rapists..etc. are still what they are in uniform and out. they did in country what they did back on the block.

You need help or counseling or something. Was you there? How do you know he bs'ed his way to medals? Last time I checked the whole F'IN Navy decides who gets what. The Navy, not Kerry, not Oneill, not some dried up, disgruntled vets either. He served in the same way they all did and YOU included. He could have come home and just been a lauded war hero under the republican party. He tried to help stop a senseless war. Obviously you didn't learn a damn thing when you was there. I give him serious credit. He spoke out trying to save the lives of others and you poor bastards trash him like this was some kind of fraternity war. I can not believe how ridiculous some of you sound. And by the way I am glad you did serve our country and glad you came home. But you came home alive almost 60,00 others didn't. John Kerry understood that and wanted to stop it. John Kerry understands the truth about war. A lot folks throw around war like its some kind of hip word.

War is now used as a preemptive tool against diplomacy.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: classy

What I said was not hypocrisy. Kerry didn't criticize all vets. He criticized those who did wrong and those who had him as well others do things that were wrong. He repeated things that were told to him by other vets. We lost nearly 60,000 lives for a war even today, 30 damn years later, still can't justify or even understand. And you have the nerve to bring up hypocrisy. Weak...........

Wow.. let me explain this to you, as perhaps it was a bit too complicated.

1) Infohawk claims that criticising vets is shameful
2) You call vets cowards if they didn't protest the war
3) Infohawk praises you

Is that clearer? The 'partisan hypocrite' claim was not directed towards you, Kerry, or veterans, but to Infohawk. I know it may be hard for you to follow along, but do try to keep up.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: classy

What I said was not hypocrisy. Kerry didn't criticize all vets. He criticized those who did wrong and those who had him as well others do things that were wrong. He repeated things that were told to him by other vets. We lost nearly 60,000 lives for a war even today, 30 damn years later, still can't justify or even understand. And you have the nerve to bring up hypocrisy. Weak...........

Wow.. let me explain this to you, as perhaps it was a bit too complicated.

1) Infohawk claims that criticising vets is shameful
2) You call vets cowards if they didn't protest the war
3) Infohawk praises you

Is that clearer? The 'partisan hypocrite' claim was not directed towards you, Kerry, or veterans, but to Infohawk. I know it may be hard for you to follow along, but do try to keep up.

I said, "What I said was not hypocrisy". I was addressing your use of the word, not to whom the word was meant for. I could care less whom you call hypocritical. Now I know your too ignorant to comprehend much beyond the abc's, but give it a try, maybe you'll surprise yourself and be able to count to 10

 

[CycloWizard]

*shakes his head* :disgust:

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: classy
I said, "What I said was not hypocrisy". I was addressing your use of the word, not to whom the word was meant for. I could care less whom you call hypocritical. Now I know your too ignorant to comprehend much beyond the abc's, but give it a try, maybe you'll surprise yourself and be able to count to 10

*blink* I call Infohawk a hypocrite, you point out that what you said is not hypocritical, I remind you that I called Infohawk a hypocrite, not your statement, and you still don't get it.

My use of the word "hypocrisy" was correct and on target. Infohawk claimed one opinion, then moments later supported someone who voiced the exact opposite. Your assumption that I lack comprehension skills is amusing. Perhaps you'd like to read through the posts again? I can't really simplify it any more for you, I'm afraid.

FYI

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: classy

Was you there?

Obviously you didn't learn a damn thing when you was there.

Let me guess, classy - public school?

 

[Infohawk]

Wow.. let me explain this to you, as perhaps it was a bit too complicated.

1) Infohawk claims that criticising vets is shameful
2) You call vets cowards if they didn't protest the war
3) Infohawk praises you

ENHHHHHHHHHH. WRONG. I said criticizing Vet's service is shameful. Fathom the difference? :laugh:

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
You need help or counseling or something. Was you there? How do you know he bs'ed his way to medals? Last time I checked the whole F'IN Navy decides who gets what. The Navy, not Kerry, not Oneill, not some dried up, disgruntled vets either. He served in the same way they all did and YOU included. He could have come home and just been a lauded war hero under the republican party. He tried to help stop a senseless war. Obviously you didn't learn a damn thing when you was there. I give him serious credit. He spoke out trying to save the lives of others and you poor bastards trash him like this was some kind of fraternity war. I can not believe how ridiculous some of you sound. And by the way I am glad you did serve our country and glad you came home. But you came home alive almost 60,00 others didn't. John Kerry understood that and wanted to stop it. John Kerry understands the truth about war. A lot folks throw around war like its some kind of hip word.

War is now used as a preemptive tool against diplomacy.[/quote]


counseling? ROFL! to answer your question, no i was not in vietnam but i did wear the uniform for a number of years(1987-91) so i know much more about how the military works than the average civilian...

i know kerry like to portray himself as a hero, but he is simply an opportunist and his actions have demonstrated that. he decieved the people after he got back and he is doing it again now...he is a poser, a pretender... pandering to the whim of the people that simply do not know any better for the sake of popularity during an election.

one thing many people do not understand about the military is that we are basically "family" and no betrayal hurts worse or causes as much anger as betrayal within a family. he co-founded an organization that flew the flag of the enemy in time of war, i will NEVER EVER forgive him for that no matter how undeserving or even deserving medals he has.

maybe this will put it in perspective for you:

i know men who bodies literally torn apart...who took bullets, got burns all over thier bodies...and here is john kerry touting about he f$$ing brave he is because he got a few scratches and bruises! what are kerry's bruises and scratches compared to that? well in the minds of many they are nothing but technicalities that he uses to portray himself on equal footing as the men i mentioned.

or as one "grizzled old vet" that served in iraq put it "if i got a medal for every bruise and scratch i got in combat i would have about 20-30 of them...john kerry is a P%$$Y!"

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
You need help or counseling or something. Was you there? How do you know he bs'ed his way to medals? Last time I checked the whole F'IN Navy decides who gets what. The Navy, not Kerry, not Oneill, not some dried up, disgruntled vets either. He served in the same way they all did and YOU included. He could have come home and just been a lauded war hero under the republican party. He tried to help stop a senseless war. Obviously you didn't learn a damn thing when you was there. I give him serious credit. He spoke out trying to save the lives of others and you poor bastards trash him like this was some kind of fraternity war. I can not believe how ridiculous some of you sound. And by the way I am glad you did serve our country and glad you came home. But you came home alive almost 60,00 others didn't. John Kerry understood that and wanted to stop it. John Kerry understands the truth about war. A lot folks throw around war like its some kind of hip word.

War is now used as a preemptive tool against diplomacy.

counseling? ROFL! to answer your question, no i was not in vietnam but i did waer the uniform for a number of years(1987-91) so i know much more about how the military works than the average civilian...

i know kerry like to portray himself as a hero, but he is simply an opportunist and his actions have demonstrated that. he decieved the people after he got back and he is doing it again now...he is a poser, a pretender... pandering to the whim of the people that simply do not know any better for the sake of popularity during an election.

one thing many people do not understand about the military is that we are basically "family" and no betrayal hurts worse or causes as much anger as betrayal within a family. he co-founded an organization that flew the flag of the enemy in time of war, i will NEVER EVER forgive him for that no matter how undeserving medals he has.

maybe this will put it in perspective for you:

i know men who bodies literally torn apart...who took bullets, got burns all over thier bodies...and here is john kerry touting about he f$$ing brave he is because he got a few scratches and bruises! what are kerry's bruises and scratches compared to that? well in the minds of many they are nothing but technicalities that he uses to portray himself on equal footing as the men i mentioned.

or as one "grizzled old vet" that served in iraq put it "if i got a medal for every bruise and scratch i got in combat i would have about 20-30 of them...john kerry is a P%$$Y!"





[/quote]

You quoted the wrong guy. I only said the very last statement. "War is now used as a preemptive tool against diplomacy.

Oh and while I'm here, let me say this. Your opinion is not based on fact just hatred and sour grapes. So, it's hard to take you seriously.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
You need help or counseling or something. Was you there? How do you know he bs'ed his way to medals? Last time I checked the whole F'IN Navy decides who gets what. The Navy, not Kerry, not Oneill, not some dried up, disgruntled vets either. He served in the same way they all did and YOU included. He could have come home and just been a lauded war hero under the republican party. He tried to help stop a senseless war. Obviously you didn't learn a damn thing when you was there. I give him serious credit. He spoke out trying to save the lives of others and you poor bastards trash him like this was some kind of fraternity war. I can not believe how ridiculous some of you sound. And by the way I am glad you did serve our country and glad you came home. But you came home alive almost 60,00 others didn't. John Kerry understood that and wanted to stop it. John Kerry understands the truth about war. A lot folks throw around war like its some kind of hip word.

War is now used as a preemptive tool against diplomacy.

counseling? ROFL! to answer your question, no i was not in vietnam but i did waer the uniform for a number of years(1987-91) so i know much more about how the military works than the average civilian...

i know kerry like to portray himself as a hero, but he is simply an opportunist and his actions have demonstrated that. he decieved the people after he got back and he is doing it again now...he is a poser, a pretender... pandering to the whim of the people that simply do not know any better for the sake of popularity during an election.

one thing many people do not understand about the military is that we are basically "family" and no betrayal hurts worse or causes as much anger as betrayal within a family. he co-founded an organization that flew the flag of the enemy in time of war, i will NEVER EVER forgive him for that no matter how undeserving medals he has.

maybe this will put it in perspective for you:

i know men who bodies literally torn apart...who took bullets, got burns all over thier bodies...and here is john kerry touting about he f$$ing brave he is because he got a few scratches and bruises! what are kerry's bruises and scratches compared to that? well in the minds of many they are nothing but technicalities that he uses to portray himself on equal footing as the men i mentioned.

or as one "grizzled old vet" that served in iraq put it "if i got a medal for every bruise and scratch i got in combat i would have about 20-30 of them...john kerry is a P%$$Y!"

You quoted the wrong guy. I only said the very last statement. "War is now used as a preemptive tool against diplomacy.

Oh and while I'm here, let me say this. Your opinion is not based on fact just hatred and sour grapes. So, it's hard to take you seriously.[/quote]

oh well we all make mistakes.

actually my opinion IS based on facts, as is the opinion of many other vets like myself. and it has been my experience that many liberals simply label and dismiss what they disagree with when rationality fails them. if any fact i presented is wrong perhaps you could point it out? or is it simply easier for you to label people and leave it at that?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

ENHHHHHHHHHH. WRONG. I said criticizing Vet's service is shameful. Fathom the difference? :laugh:

Ah.. somebody edited their post, no?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
You need help or counseling or something. Was you there? How do you know he bs'ed his way to medals? Last time I checked the whole F'IN Navy decides who gets what. The Navy, not Kerry, not Oneill, not some dried up, disgruntled vets either. He served in the same way they all did and YOU included. He could have come home and just been a lauded war hero under the republican party. He tried to help stop a senseless war. Obviously you didn't learn a damn thing when you was there. I give him serious credit. He spoke out trying to save the lives of others and you poor bastards trash him like this was some kind of fraternity war. I can not believe how ridiculous some of you sound. And by the way I am glad you did serve our country and glad you came home. But you came home alive almost 60,00 others didn't. John Kerry understood that and wanted to stop it. John Kerry understands the truth about war. A lot folks throw around war like its some kind of hip word.

War is now used as a preemptive tool against diplomacy.

counseling? ROFL! to answer your question, no i was not in vietnam but i did waer the uniform for a number of years(1987-91) so i know much more about how the military works than the average civilian...

i know kerry like to portray himself as a hero, but he is simply an opportunist and his actions have demonstrated that. he decieved the people after he got back and he is doing it again now...he is a poser, a pretender... pandering to the whim of the people that simply do not know any better for the sake of popularity during an election.

one thing many people do not understand about the military is that we are basically "family" and no betrayal hurts worse or causes as much anger as betrayal within a family. he co-founded an organization that flew the flag of the enemy in time of war, i will NEVER EVER forgive him for that no matter how undeserving medals he has.

maybe this will put it in perspective for you:

i know men who bodies literally torn apart...who took bullets, got burns all over thier bodies...and here is john kerry touting about he f$$ing brave he is because he got a few scratches and bruises! what are kerry's bruises and scratches compared to that? well in the minds of many they are nothing but technicalities that he uses to portray himself on equal footing as the men i mentioned.

or as one "grizzled old vet" that served in iraq put it "if i got a medal for every bruise and scratch i got in combat i would have about 20-30 of them...john kerry is a P%$$Y!"

You quoted the wrong guy. I only said the very last statement. "War is now used as a preemptive tool against diplomacy.

Oh and while I'm here, let me say this. Your opinion is not based on fact just hatred and sour grapes. So, it's hard to take you seriously.

oh well we all make mistakes.

actually my opinion IS based on facts, as is the opinion of many other vets like myself. and it has been my experience that many liberals simply label and dismiss what they disagree with when rationality fails them. if any fact i presented is wrong perhaps you could point it out? or is it simply easier for you to label people and leave it at that?

[/quote]

Show me some proof, then we'll talk.

 

[LongAce]

Kerry's a liar and he will not follow what he promises. He's for guns if you tell him that you are. He's not if you're not. What ever it is, he wants to make you happy. He wants the gays and lesbians? votes so he married a man as his wife. It's really hard to tell who?s wearing the pants in this house.

Kerry's Wife Kerry's Wife

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: LongAce
Kerry's a liar and he will not follow what he promises. He's for guns if you tell him that you are. He's not if you're not. What ever it is, he wants to make you happy. He wants the gays and lesbians? votes so he married a man as his wife. It's really hard to tell who?s wearing the pants in this house.

Kerry's Wife Kerry's Wife

That is the worst political argument in the history of the universe. If the big crunch theory is correct, and the universe will collapse and then expand again, creating a new universe, repeating until the end of time, there will STILL never be a political argument made that is as dumb as this. It's...remarkable.

 

[vanln]

I wonder how can a person could have 3 purple heart in 4 months. The Good part is He still can dacing on fire

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: vanln
I wonder how can a person could have 3 purple heart in 4 months. The Good part is He still can dacing on fire

perhaps by being part of a group of units that suffered one of the highest casualty rates in the war? the swift boats were sent past the front lines to flush out the enemy in unarmored and loud boats. musta been a cake walk huh? just remember when bush ducked out of serving in a war he supported, 2000 americans a month were dying. yes, 2000.
purple hearts looking less unreasonable now eh?

amazing this bush who ducked out of service twice now uses carl rove and his whisper campaigns to denigrate the service of someone who did serve

 

[ForThePeople]

oh well we all make mistakes.

actually my opinion IS based on facts, as is the opinion of many other vets like myself. and it has been my experience that many liberals simply label and dismiss what they disagree with when rationality fails them. if any fact i presented is wrong perhaps you could point it out? or is it simply easier for you to label people and leave it at that?

[/quote]

Glad to take you up on your offer. Kerry specifically asked to be in a Swift boat, he wasn't placed there. He voluntarily asked to be in a Swift boat. So you are simply wrong about your earlier assertion that he never really wanted to go to a "hot zone" as he explicitly volunteered to do just that.

I am quoting:

"I hereby request duty in Vietnam. My billet preference is "Swift" boats with a second choice of Patrol Officer in a PHR squadron."

See for yourself.

http://www.jordansplace.net/po...tml/bushkerry_nam.html

Secondly I have to advise you that nobody can take your arguments seriously when you cannot even spell properly. I recommend that you give more time and attention to your posts in lieu of typing whatever comes to your mind as your error-ridden responses make you look less than educated.

This is also in response to another poster who continually used "you was" rather than "you were." Say what you will about Northeast Liberals but at least we can compose a proper English sentence. And that is years before we go to college.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: ForThePeople
oh well we all make mistakes.

actually my opinion IS based on facts, as is the opinion of many other vets like myself. and it has been my experience that many liberals simply label and dismiss what they disagree with when rationality fails them. if any fact i presented is wrong perhaps you could point it out? or is it simply easier for you to label people and leave it at that?

Glad to take you up on your offer. Kerry specifically asked to be in a Swift boat, he wasn't placed there. He voluntarily asked to be in a Swift boat. So you are simply wrong about your earlier assertion that he never really wanted to go to a "hot zone" as he explicitly volunteered to do just that.

I am quoting:

"I hereby request duty in Vietnam. My billet preference is "Swift" boats with a second choice of Patrol Officer in a PHR squadron."

See for yourself.

http://www.jordansplace.net/po...tml/bushkerry_nam.html

Secondly I have to advise you that nobody can take your arguments seriously when you cannot even spell properly. I recommend that you give more time and attention to your posts in lieu of typing whatever comes to your mind as your error-ridden responses make you look less than educated.

This is also in response to another poster who continually used "you was" rather than "you were." Say what you will about Northeast Liberals but at least we can compose a proper English sentence. And that is years before we go to college.[/quote]

Nope, sorry there parrot - but kerry didn't volunteer for a "hot zone". The swift boats had a different task when he asked for that post - but it was changed to a different one. Also, you seem to be completely ignoring the FACT that kerry did infact NOT want to join and had asked for a deferment.
Sort of blows your little claims now doesn't it. He was against it before he was for it(joining).

Also, while I have your attention - you'll find alot of people who make spelling or grammatical errors on here. I'd suggest you, as a noobie, tone down your high horse snob-fest. You aren't going to "win" arguments by saying the other guy's spelling sucks and then trying to attack his education - but it will "win" you a

:beer: here's hoping you don't become another liberal troll here.

CsG

 

[ForThePeople]

Nope, sorry there parrot - but kerry didn't volunteer for a "hot zone". The swift boats had a different task when he asked for that post - but it was changed to a different one. Also, you seem to be completely ignoring the FACT that kerry did infact NOT want to join and had asked for a deferment.
Sort of blows your little claims now doesn't it. He was against it before he was for it(joining).

Also, while I have your attention - you'll find alot of people who make spelling or grammatical errors on here. I'd suggest you, as a noobie, tone down your high horse snob-fest. You aren't going to "win" arguments by saying the other guy's spelling sucks and then trying to attack his education - but it will "win" you a

:beer: here's hoping you don't become another liberal troll here.

CsG

I would submit that it is now up to you to prove the opposite. Saying "The swift boats had a different task when he asked for that post" puts the emphasis on you to prove exactly that. So I ask that you give proof that the role, purpose, nature, etc of Swift boat duty was changed between the time that Kerry requested it and the time during which he served on one.

The burden is on you to prove that point. I have already shown that he volunteered. If, in fact, he volunteered for "Swift boat service" when that meant something entirely different please provide proof. I have given proof that he requested such duty.

Your whole case rests on that fact and unless and until you can prove the point italicized above I submit that I am right, and the the original poster was wrong and saw what he wanted to see, believed what he wanted to believe. Like it or not John Kerry asked to be placed on a Swift boat.

Then I'd like to address the question of whether I am a newbie. I have recently started posting but have been reading for about a year, I only try to post facts and things which I can prove or justify. I suffered through the inane RIP postings just like everyone else.

Lastly about spelling - I recognize that well thought out, well spelled posts are rare around here. I am only pointing out that people will take you more seriously if you make an effort to present clear, logical arguments within the context of properly spelled posts.

This board seems to like rabid partisanship above actual discussion or reason, just endless "I am right / you are wrong" posts. Perhaps if people spent more time trying to write reasoned responses they might actually persuade another person to their point of view. Just a thought.


EDIT: Just to clear up the timeline, Kerry wrote the letter asking to be placed on Swift boat duty on Feb 10, 1968. He took command of a Swift boat on Nov 17. You would have us believe that the nature and function, and danger level, involved in a Swift boat tour was radically changed between Feb 10 and Nov 17 - 281 days according to MS-Excel.

I'd say rather unlikely and I'd like you to provide proof of this radical change that occured between May 10 and Nov 17 of 1968.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: ForThePeople

Nope, sorry there parrot - but kerry didn't volunteer for a "hot zone". The swift boats had a different task when he asked for that post - but it was changed to a different one. Also, you seem to be completely ignoring the FACT that kerry did infact NOT want to join and had asked for a deferment.
Sort of blows your little claims now doesn't it. He was against it before he was for it(joining).

Also, while I have your attention - you'll find alot of people who make spelling or grammatical errors on here. I'd suggest you, as a noobie, tone down your high horse snob-fest. You aren't going to "win" arguments by saying the other guy's spelling sucks and then trying to attack his education - but it will "win" you a

:beer: here's hoping you don't become another liberal troll here.

CsG

I would submit that it is now up to you to prove the opposite. Saying "The swift boats had a different task when he asked for that post" puts the emphasis on you to prove exactly that. So I ask that you give proof that the role, purpose, nature, etc of Swift boat duty was changed between the time that Kerry requested it and the time during which he served on one.

The burden is on you to prove that point. I have already shown that he volunteered. If, in fact, he volunteered for "Swift boat service" when that meant something entirely different please provide proof. I have given proof that he requested such duty.

Your whole case rests on that fact and unless and until you can prove the point italicized above I submit that I am right, and the the original poster was wrong and saw what he wanted to see, believed what he wanted to believe. Like it or not John Kerry asked to be placed on a Swift boat.

Then I'd like to address the question of whether I am a newbie. I have recently started posting but have been reading for about a year, I only try to post facts and things which I can prove or justify. I suffered through the inane RIP postings just like everyone else.

Lastly about spelling - I recognize that well thought out, well spelled posts are rare around here. I am only pointing out that people will take you more seriously if you make an effort to present clear, logical arguments within the context of properly spelled posts.

This board seems to like rabid partisanship above actual discussion or reason, just endless "I am right / you are wrong" posts. Perhaps if people spent more time trying to write reasoned responses they might actually persuade another person to their point of view. Just a thought.

It's obvious you haven't been paying attention. There is a sticky at the top of the forum that discusses all of this. Kerry did infact try to get a deferral and the swiftboat mission was changed. Try reading the stickied thread.

Now to you continued snobbery. Grow up - not everyone can type/spell as well as you think they should. But for you to try to attack their education and claim their argument is void because of it is asinine. Perhaps if you'd spend more time trying to understand people's posts instead of whining about spelling - you might not come across as an elitist liberal.

CsG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Oh, and this thread should be locked due to it overlapping with the stickied thread. If the FORGERY thread gets locked because it has to do with the AWOL story then this thread needs locked because it has to do with Vietnam medals and such.

CsG

 

[vanln]

I found this:
Lewis Letson, lieutenant commander, medical center: "I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart because I treated him for that injury."

and this:

Gunner's mate Van Odell: "John Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star. I know. I was there. I saw what happened."