'Purple heart bandages' spark Dems' ire

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: IndieSnob
Vic a troll? Ha ha. Even though I disagree with Vic's views from time to time, he is hardly brain-washed nor uninformed of what he speaks. I find that people that I disagree with on some core things that can at least back them up with substinance are people I'd rather listen to, and that's someone like Vic. Maybe you're the troll?

*shrug* Believe what you want. If you want to think that someone who quickly turns to personal insults and uses phrases such as "asshole," "dipsh!t fanboi," and "shut up" is "backing them up with substinance" and "people you'd rather listen to" then go ahead. I can't make judgements on him personally, but I can infer from this single thread that his persona here is uninformed, misguided, and a terrible debater. But that's just MHO.

Personally I think you started it with this:

And what gets me is that some of you have the nerve to call Bush-supporters sheep, then post drivel like this. In that case, I'll not vote for Kerry, as some whacked, anti-Bush protestor attacted a police officer at the RNC protests. He obviously was working directly for Kerry and represents the entire Democrat Party.

The whole purple heart fiasco IS a shame and IS stupid, but to use that as a reason not to vote for a candidate is simply moronic. That's like saying all babies should be killed, because of the dispicable actions of extreme pro-life activists. Try to think for yourselves, especially if you are going to call others "brainwashed sheep."

I think if you want to dialoge with another person you don't call them a dimwit, unable to think, and a moron, you dumbass.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Vic
The worst thing about every election for me is that my only choice is between a socialist and a fascist, and you dipsh!t fanbois can't see that obvious fact for their own spin.
Listen carefully, you are the sheep -- you do and think as you are told. The attack on Kerry's military service by the neocons and the Republicans, who claim to respect military service, is just one more example. That you think like that, and call me a sheep, is another example. It ain't just a river in Egypt.

The fact that anyone uses 'neocon' incessantly makes them a sheep, in my opinion. It's desired to have the same impact of a racial slur, since it is used exclusively in a derogatory manner. People just throw it in a post to rile people up when they don't have anything legitimate to say.

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Train
ok anyone who hasn't called GW a chimp may get angry about this.

go ahead, search P&N for "Chimp" surprise, 3 pages of threads!

Why would anyone get angry about calling GWB a chimp? He looks like one, he acts like one, and I can only assume he smells like one. What's the problem with that?

Because it's disrespectful.

Originally posted by: IndieSnob
Vic a troll? Ha ha. Even though I disagree with Vic's views from time to time, he is hardly brain-washed nor uninformed of what he speaks. I find that people that I disagree with on some core things that can at least back them up with substinance are people I'd rather listen to, and that's someone like Vic. Maybe you're the troll?

His point was refuted in detail, and all he did was post false quotes and name-call rather than actually argue in return. If I lived under a bridge...

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Personally I think you started it with this:

And what gets me is that some of you have the nerve to call Bush-supporters sheep, then post drivel like this. In that case, I'll not vote for Kerry, as some whacked, anti-Bush protestor attacted a police officer at the RNC protests. He obviously was working directly for Kerry and represents the entire Democrat Party.

The whole purple heart fiasco IS a shame and IS stupid, but to use that as a reason not to vote for a candidate is simply moronic. That's like saying all babies should be killed, because of the dispicable actions of extreme pro-life activists. Try to think for yourselves, especially if you are going to call others "brainwashed sheep."

I think if you want to dialoge with another person you don't call them a dimwit, unable to think, and a moron, you dumbass.

Nope, try again. No one was called a dimwit. I suggested that he think for himself, rather than post more "OMG! Bush is teh sux0rs.. U R all neocon sheep!"-esque dialog. I also called the idea of using the actions of a few stupid members of a party as a reason NOT to vote for the leader of that Party moronic, not the person. I still stand by it. Try again, smartass.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I find it stunning anyone would seriously sit and defend these band-aids.

This isn't (or shouldn't be) a partisan issue - surely we should all be able to call a spade a spade. These band-aids are a disgrace, and I'll point out that the good Mr. Blackwell, who dreamt them up, was apparently in his 20s during the Vietnam era, yet you won't see anything about service in Vietnam in his bio (apparently he was too busy working for the Young Republican National Committee - something tells me they were not an anti-war group). He deserves a good kick in the ass as far as I'm concerned.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

The fact that anyone uses 'neocon' incessantly makes them a sheep, in my opinion. It's desired to have the same impact of a racial slur, since it is used exclusively in a derogatory manner. People just throw it in a post to rile people up when they don't have anything legitimate to say.

True, and this was my point up until the thread turned immature and ugly. Many of the anti-Bush people here are the first to attack anyone who defends the man or his actions with "You're just a neocon shill! Neocon, neocon, Bush-God fanboi!" They echo this chant incessantly towards anyone who doesn't immediately agree with them, then have the nerve to claim they are free-thinkers and their opponents are the sheep.

Freely supporting a person or idea can be a noble thing, but blind fanaticism is unproductive and immature. I regard these people with the same level of 'respect' as I do 12-year-olds who post "OMG, M$ sux0rs and is ev1l!" from their parent's Windows XP machine using IE.

Sadly, many of them will never see or recognize their own hypocrisy. Not every Kerry supporter here is like that, but a great many are.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
The fact that anyone uses 'neocon' incessantly makes them a sheep, in my opinion. It's desired to have the same impact of a racial slur, since it is used exclusively in a derogatory manner. People just throw it in a post to rile people up when they don't have anything legitimate to say.

True, and this was my point up until the thread turned immature and ugly. Many of the anti-Bush people here are the first to attack anyone who defends the man or his actions with "You're just a neocon shill! Neocon, neocon, Bush-God fanboi!" They echo this chant incessantly towards anyone who doesn't immediately agree with them, then have the nerve to claim they are free-thinkers and their opponents are the sheep.

Freely supporting a person or idea can be a noble thing, but blind fanaticism is unproductive and immature. I regard these people with the same level of 'respect' as I do 12-year-olds who post "OMG, M$ sux0rs and is ev1l!" from their parent's Windows XP machine using IE.

Sadly, many of them will never see or recognize their own hypocrisy. Not every Kerry supporter here is like that, but a great many are.

Leave the sarcasm to Moonie...

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: DonVito
I find it stunning anyone would seriously sit and defend these band-aids.

This isn't (or shouldn't be) a partisan issue - surely we should all be able to call a spade a spade. These band-aids are a disgrace, and I'll point out that the good Mr. Blackwell, who dreamt them up, was apparently in his 20s during the Vietnam era, yet you won't see anything about service in Vietnam in his bio (apparently he was too busy working for the Young Republican National Committee - something tells me they were not an anti-war group). He deserves a good kick in the ass as far as I'm concerned.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find too many people here who are defending these bandaids. Rather, you will find people who see the absurdity in trying to use this against Bush personally. It would be just as disingenuous for me to claim that Kerry is a jackass because someone with a Kerry sticker on his bumper cut me off in traffic.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: DonVito
I find it stunning anyone would seriously sit and defend these band-aids.

This isn't (or shouldn't be) a partisan issue - surely we should all be able to call a spade a spade. These band-aids are a disgrace, and I'll point out that the good Mr. Blackwell, who dreamt them up, was apparently in his 20s during the Vietnam era, yet you won't see anything about service in Vietnam in his bio (apparently he was too busy working for the Young Republican National Committee - something tells me they were not an anti-war group). He deserves a good kick in the ass as far as I'm concerned.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find too many people here who are defending these bandaids. Rather, you will find people who see the absurdity in trying to use this against Bush personally. It would be just as disingenuous for me to claim that Kerry is a jackass because someone with a Kerry sticker on his bumper cut me off in traffic.

LOL, I'm 100% positive that if you were at the RNC you'd be wearing one. Quit trying to be so innocent, we know better.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
It would be just as disingenuous for me to claim that Kerry is a jackass because someone with a Kerry sticker on his bumper cut me off in traffic.

So me being cut off and flipped off by volvo driving kerry fans(they had a kerry sticker) it isn't kerry's fault?

CsG

 

[1EZduzit]

U2

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
I think you'd be hard-pressed to find too many people here who are defending these bandaids. Rather, you will find people who see the absurdity in trying to use this against Bush personally. It would be just as disingenuous for me to claim that Kerry is a jackass because someone with a Kerry sticker on his bumper cut me off in traffic.

Just quoting this for the record as this type of apples-and-oranges comparison is pretty much definitive of a fanboi defending his cause. Sorry to say.

Plus, I think you are confused about our political system. When you vote for a presidential candidate, you are not voting for the man as an individual. That is (pardon me) naive. You are voting for the political machine and constituency that he represents and who he is beholden to as they put him in power. As this bandaid tactic was engineered by a Bush delegate (meaning a member of his political machine), it therefore reflects back upon Bush (not the man, but the candidate), and in this case in a negative manner. Make sense now?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

LOL, I'm 100% positive that if you were at the RNC you'd be wearing one. Quit trying to be so innocent, we know better.

You too?

"Baaa, baaaa.."

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
I think you'd be hard-pressed to find too many people here who are defending these bandaids. Rather, you will find people who see the absurdity in trying to use this against Bush personally. It would be just as disingenuous for me to claim that Kerry is a jackass because someone with a Kerry sticker on his bumper cut me off in traffic.

Just quoting this for the record as this type of apples-and-oranges comparison is pretty much definitive of a fanboi defending his cause. Sorry to say.

Plus, I think you are confused about our political system. When you vote for a presidential candidate, you are not voting for the man as an individual. That is (pardon me) naive. You are voting for the political machine and constituency that he represents and who he is beholden to as they put him in power. As this bandaid tactic was engineered by a Bush delegate (meaning a member of his political machine), it therefore reflects back upon Bush (not the man, but the candidate), and in this case in a negative manner. Make sense now?

Wow. Just... wow. Every single member of a group can be described by the actions of others in the same group? You actually believe this? That is the very definition of brainwashed group-think. You still call others sheep, while subscribing to this? Republicans are the Borg - a collective with a single consciousness? Nice. :Q

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
I think you'd be hard-pressed to find too many people here who are defending these bandaids. Rather, you will find people who see the absurdity in trying to use this against Bush personally. It would be just as disingenuous for me to claim that Kerry is a jackass because someone with a Kerry sticker on his bumper cut me off in traffic.

Just quoting this for the record as this type of apples-and-oranges comparison is pretty much definitive of a fanboi defending his cause. Sorry to say.

Plus, I think you are confused about our political system. When you vote for a presidential candidate, you are not voting for the man as an individual. That is (pardon me) naive. You are voting for the political machine and constituency that he represents and who he is beholden to as they put him in power. As this bandaid tactic was engineered by a Bush delegate (meaning a member of his political machine), it therefore reflects back upon Bush (not the man, but the candidate), and in this case in a negative manner. Make sense now?

Wow. Just... wow. Every single member of a group can be described by the actions of others in the same group? You actually believe this? That is the very definition of brainwashed group-think. You still call others sheep, while subscribing to this? Republicans are the Borg - a collective with a single consciousness? Nice. :Q

As I don't believe that anyone can be as stupid as you're purporting to be, I can only assume this is a troll.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Vic
As I don't believe that anyone can be as stupid as you're purporting to be, I can only assume this is a troll.

Whatever. I'm not the one claiming that Bush should be held accountable for the actions of his all Republicans who support him.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Any chance you guys could just take this to PM? My shoes are getting drenched by your pissing contest.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Vic
As I don't believe that anyone can be as stupid as you're purporting to be, I can only assume this is a troll.

Whatever. I'm not the one claiming that Bush should be held accountable for the actions of his all Republicans who support him.

A party delegate at the convention is not comparable to someone who just has a bumper sticker.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
I think you'd be hard-pressed to find too many people here who are defending these bandaids. Rather, you will find people who see the absurdity in trying to use this against Bush personally. It would be just as disingenuous for me to claim that Kerry is a jackass because someone with a Kerry sticker on his bumper cut me off in traffic.

Just quoting this for the record as this type of apples-and-oranges comparison is pretty much definitive of a fanboi defending his cause. Sorry to say.

Plus, I think you are confused about our political system. When you vote for a presidential candidate, you are not voting for the man as an individual. That is (pardon me) naive. You are voting for the political machine and constituency that he represents and who he is beholden to as they put him in power. As this bandaid tactic was engineered by a Bush delegate (meaning a member of his political machine), it therefore reflects back upon Bush (not the man, but the candidate), and in this case in a negative manner. Make sense now?

Wow. Just... wow. Every single member of a group can be described by the actions of others in the same group? You actually believe this? That is the very definition of brainwashed group-think. You still call others sheep, while subscribing to this? Republicans are the Borg - a collective with a single consciousness? Nice. :Q

As I don't believe that anyone can be as stupid as you're purporting to be, I can only assume this is a troll.

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I thought I warned you about making these kinds of unwarranted assumptions.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Vic
As I don't believe that anyone can be as stupid as you're purporting to be, I can only assume this is a troll.

Whatever. I'm not the one claiming that Bush should be held accountable for the actions of his all Republicans who support him.

A party delegate at the convention is not comparable to someone who just has a bumper sticker.

I thought anyone who supported the candidate was automatically part of his 'machine', and therefore entirely responsible as a part of the campaign?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
kerry marginalized his own medals when he tossed the "symbols" over the fence.

You missed the part where it's Kerry's right to do what he wishes with his medals. You probably also missed the point he was trying to make by doing so. Doesn't surprise me. Still doesn't make it right for Republicans to diss soldiers who received purple hearts.

That being said - I don't think something like that was appropriate for that guy to distribute. I also don't think it's appropriate or honest for you bleaters to claim it was the party doing it.

CsG

Oh yes, the standard Cad MO. If it's bad it can't be blamed on Bush/Republicans. If it's good, the same group gets the credit.

Lesse, a Republican delegate Morton Blackwell organizes this purple heart bandage nonsense, and OH! He has nothing to do with the Republican party. OH! The secret service and goon squad at Bush events arrest anyone who dares speak out against the President. NOTHING to do with the administration or the Republican party. OH! If the GOP's main attorney also advises the Swift Boat Vets. Oh hey, what a coincidence ... and that's just recently.

Wow you're like a partisan magician Cad. All smoke and mirrors.

that is like the pot calling the kettle black don't you think? get a tissue man please!!!!

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Todd33
So one group insults those without brains, one group insults vets who got injured in combat. Same thing.

actually most vets such as myself think kerry and his glory hunting is the insult. that is why there is such an outcry against him FROM vets.

No you and the other Vets are to cowardice to have the stones like Kerry did and say the war in Vietnam was wrong. And before you start with any harsh words for me, I had 3 relatives who served over there and 2 of them were shot, one a couple of times. As a little boy I attended a couple of funerals of those who died there. What he did took courage. He could have been like a lot of vets and came home and tried to use his decorated service to help himself. But instead he took the high road. Despite the backlash from his fellow soldiers, he told the truth. As a matter of fact 15-20 years ago I remember when my cousin used to talk about some the things that went on over there. In addition to some of things that Kerry spoke of, many of them came home messed up in their minds and became drug addicts on top of that. Its sad to hear these so called Vets refuse to tell the truth.

This whole mess is so similar to the movie Casualties Of War, with MJ Fox.

 

[Infohawk]

classy, thank you for owning "shadowhawk".

 

[cKGunslinger]

Hmm.. let's see here:

Originally posted by: Infohawk

You should be ashamed for questioning a Vietnam vet. You denigrate the memory of all those who have served our great country in the last centuries and their ancestors. Shame on you Crimson.

Originally posted by: classy

No you and the other Vets are to cowardice to have the stones like Kerry did and say the war in Vietnam was wrong.

Originally posted by: Infohawk

classy, thank you for owning "shadowhawk".

Questioning vets who disagree with you == shameful
Questioning vets who agree with you == ownage

Did I get that right? I hope so, as I sometimes have a hard time keeping up with all the rules of partisan hypocrisy.

 

[dannybin1742]

actually most vets such as myself think kerry and his glory hunting is the insult. that is why there is such an outcry against him FROM vets.

see i don't understand where you guys who say this come from, the reason he is using his vietnam record is to show that he is a leader even though he came from a priviledged family, unlike the other guy who avoided vietnam by pulling strings to get into guard duty, and then didn't even show up, you should be angry about somone who professes himself as a leader and he wasn't around to defend the country, also someone who says he supports the troops and cuts health benefits to families of troops and ill- equipts them for battle, you are focusing your outcry at bush, not to mension that he cut veterans benefits

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: classyNo you and the other Vets are to cowardice to have the stones like Kerry did and say the war in Vietnam was wrong. And before you start with any harsh words for me, I had 3 relatives who served over there and 2 of them were shot, one a couple of times. As a little boy I attended a couple of funerals of those who died there. What he did took courage.

what he did he did basically because he had no choice. he went expecting NOT to get into combat, once he got transferred to a hot zone he BS'ed his way to getting some medals most of which he does not deserve, and got out ASAP, you might dfine that as "brave" but most of us that have worn the uniform do not.

Originally posted by: classyHe could have been like a lot of vets and came home and tried to use his decorated service to help himself. But instead he took the high road. Despite the backlash from his fellow soldiers, he told the truth.

uhhh. he is trying to use his "decorated service to help himself" NOW. i am amazed you did not notice this! he did then as well when protesting the war was a popular thing to do...and politicians especially democrats are always very mindful of what is popular...and even then he was dishonest about it PRETENDING to throw his medals over a fence when in fact he actually did not, even then using them to deceive the sheep.

Originally posted by: classyAs a matter of fact 15-20 years ago I remember when my cousin used to talk about some the things that went on over there. In addition to some of things that Kerry spoke of, many of them came home messed up in their minds and became drug addicts on top of that. Its sad to hear these so called Vets refuse to tell the truth.

This whole mess is so similar to the movie Casualties Of War, with MJ Fox.

some of the things DID happen, in that war AND EVERY OTHER do you want to know why? well there are a number of reasons but here is 1 basic foundational reason.

1. soldiers, just as in the population they come from will have a percentage that are just plain bad people: that is thieves, rapists..etc. are still what they are in uniform and out. they did in country what they did back on the block.