'Purple heart bandages' spark Dems' ire

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: EXman
The few Vets I know would have died than say those words and many did in POW camps instead.

So how many do you know that died in POW camps?

You think POWs were not tortured into saying those lies? Or were they giving them milk and cookies?


Many Died and still got home the person they was killed in Nam and a shell was left. The fella I know that was in a POW camp died a sad, bitter but proud man.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: EXman
The few Vets I know would have died than say those words and many did in POW camps instead.

So how many do you know that died in POW camps?

You think POWs were not tortured into saying those lies? Or were they giving them milk and cookies?


Many Died and still got home the person they was killed in Nam and a shell was left. The fella I know that was in a POW camp died a sad, bitter but proud man.

Yeah war is fscked up that way, especially an unjust and ill conceived war. What Kerry and other returning Vets who spoke out against it did was help bring it to an end sooner.

 

[Rainsford]

I find it shocking the number of veterans and active military people who support the Republicans, and Bush in particular. They, and he, have shown time and time again that they have very little respect for the men and women who serve our country.

I realize military people, in general, lean more towards conservative than liberal. But if you look at the big picture, you're supporting a man who sends you and your fellow soldiers into pointless danger while jacking your pay and benefits...and who, when it was his turn to pick up a gun and defend our country, avoided his duty and his obligation. Yet the man you say you hate did not.

I honestly do not understand it, could someone explain it to me? I'm not saying you have to like Kerry either...but why in the HELL do you support Bush?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I find it shocking the number of veterans and active military people who support the Republicans, and Bush in particular. They, and he, have shown time and time again that they have very little respect for the men and women who serve our country.

I realize military people, in general, lean more towards conservative than liberal. But if you look at the big picture, you're supporting a man who sends you and your fellow soldiers into pointless danger while jacking your pay and benefits...and who, when it was his turn to pick up a gun and defend our country, avoided his duty and his obligation. Yet the man you say you hate did not.

I honestly do not understand it, could someone explain it to me? I'm not saying you have to like Kerry either...but why in the HELL do you support Bush?

It is necessary for a military to follow orders and not think. At least thsat is the general assumption, I believe. Remember, what would happen if they gave a war and nobody came.....

It would certainly also be a lot easier just to follow than to lead, seems to me. We are mammals who learn as we grow and learn from our elders. That creates, I think, a biological weakness that makes us tend toward sheep. You learn early that if you stand out you get picked off. The real self-actualized, independent thinkier is rare.

 

[Genx87]

/drama

Attacking medals of anyone is below the belt. Did the DNC in 1996 make fun of Dole's self inflicted band-aid wound that he got a purple heart for? I hope not. Anyone that signs up for service and gets even a scratch is heads and tails above most of us.

Typical liberal drama. Went from an ill-thought gesture to attacking medals.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Genx87
/drama

Attacking medals of anyone is below the belt. Did the DNC in 1996 make fun of Dole's self inflicted band-aid wound that he got a purple heart for? I hope not. Anyone that signs up for service and gets even a scratch is heads and tails above most of us.

Typical liberal drama. Went from an ill-thought gesture to attacking medals.

I'm not following. They are mocking the medals won by Kerry in Vietnam. It is not a "gesture". Please explain to me how marginalizing Kerry's medals is not an attack on his medals?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Genx87
/drama

Attacking medals of anyone is below the belt. Did the DNC in 1996 make fun of Dole's self inflicted band-aid wound that he got a purple heart for? I hope not. Anyone that signs up for service and gets even a scratch is heads and tails above most of us.

Typical liberal drama. Went from an ill-thought gesture to attacking medals.

I'm not following. They are mocking the medals won by Kerry in Vietnam. It is not a "gesture". Please explain to me how marginalizing Kerry's medals is not an attack on his medals?

kerry marginalized his own medals when he tossed the "symbols" over the fence.

That being said - I don't think something like that was appropriate for that guy to distribute. I also don't think it's appropriate or honest for you bleaters to claim it was the party doing it.

CsG

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Genx87
/drama

Attacking medals of anyone is below the belt. Did the DNC in 1996 make fun of Dole's self inflicted band-aid wound that he got a purple heart for? I hope not. Anyone that signs up for service and gets even a scratch is heads and tails above most of us.

Typical liberal drama. Went from an ill-thought gesture to attacking medals.

I'm not following. They are mocking the medals won by Kerry in Vietnam. It is not a "gesture". Please explain to me how marginalizing Kerry's medals is not an attack on his medals?

kerry marginalized his own medals when he tossed the "symbols" over the fence.

That being said - I don't think something like that was appropriate for that guy to distribute. I also don't think it's appropriate or honest for you bleaters to claim it was the party doing it.

CsG

You neocons are amazing. Simply amazing. Replace amazing with disgusting and you'll have my real feelings.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Genx87
/drama

Attacking medals of anyone is below the belt. Did the DNC in 1996 make fun of Dole's self inflicted band-aid wound that he got a purple heart for? I hope not. Anyone that signs up for service and gets even a scratch is heads and tails above most of us.

Typical liberal drama. Went from an ill-thought gesture to attacking medals.

I'm not following. They are mocking the medals won by Kerry in Vietnam. It is not a "gesture". Please explain to me how marginalizing Kerry's medals is not an attack on his medals?

kerry marginalized his own medals when he tossed the "symbols" over the fence.

That being said - I don't think something like that was appropriate for that guy to distribute. I also don't think it's appropriate or honest for you bleaters to claim it was the party doing it.

CsG

I am not a "bleater", jackass, and I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say there is a fair amount of mocking of Kerry's service and medals coming from the Republicans. Whether that is deserved or not, it's a slap in the face to veterans unless someone PROVES Kerry doesn't deserve being honored for his service.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Genx87
/drama

Attacking medals of anyone is below the belt. Did the DNC in 1996 make fun of Dole's self inflicted band-aid wound that he got a purple heart for? I hope not. Anyone that signs up for service and gets even a scratch is heads and tails above most of us.

Typical liberal drama. Went from an ill-thought gesture to attacking medals.

I'm not following. They are mocking the medals won by Kerry in Vietnam. It is not a "gesture". Please explain to me how marginalizing Kerry's medals is not an attack on his medals?

kerry marginalized his own medals when he tossed the "symbols" over the fence.

That being said - I don't think something like that was appropriate for that guy to distribute. I also don't think it's appropriate or honest for you bleaters to claim it was the party doing it.

CsG

so this is not about how he got the medals but how he acted when he got back from vietnam?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Genx87
/drama

Attacking medals of anyone is below the belt. Did the DNC in 1996 make fun of Dole's self inflicted band-aid wound that he got a purple heart for? I hope not. Anyone that signs up for service and gets even a scratch is heads and tails above most of us.

Typical liberal drama. Went from an ill-thought gesture to attacking medals.

I'm not following. They are mocking the medals won by Kerry in Vietnam. It is not a "gesture". Please explain to me how marginalizing Kerry's medals is not an attack on his medals?

kerry marginalized his own medals when he tossed the "symbols" over the fence.

That being said - I don't think something like that was appropriate for that guy to distribute. I also don't think it's appropriate or honest for you bleaters to claim it was the party doing it.

CsG

so this is not about how he got the medals but how he acted when he got back from vietnam?

Apparently that seems to be the case...honoring someone for service to their country can now be conditional on whether you agree with their political viewpoint or not.

Super, I'll be at the airport throwing eggs at all the troops coming home from Iraq that support the war :roll:

 

[Jhhnn]

This isn't so much about what Kerry did or didn't do with his own medals 30 years ago, when protesting the Vietnam war, but about the hypocrisy of Repubs in general. On the one hand, we have the Right running a whispering campaign about how Dems don't support the troops, and then we have this purpleheart/bandaid stunt, which was obviously quite popular. I'm sure more than a few guys were maimed and killed by wounds that could have been covered with a bandaid- try to remember they're being dissed, too...

Just more smugness and gloating over the perceived effects of their sleazy SBVfT smear campaign.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Genx87
/drama

Attacking medals of anyone is below the belt. Did the DNC in 1996 make fun of Dole's self inflicted band-aid wound that he got a purple heart for? I hope not. Anyone that signs up for service and gets even a scratch is heads and tails above most of us.

Typical liberal drama. Went from an ill-thought gesture to attacking medals.

I'm not following. They are mocking the medals won by Kerry in Vietnam. It is not a "gesture". Please explain to me how marginalizing Kerry's medals is not an attack on his medals?

kerry marginalized his own medals when he tossed the "symbols" over the fence.

That being said - I don't think something like that was appropriate for that guy to distribute. I also don't think it's appropriate or honest for you bleaters to claim it was the party doing it.

CsG

I am not a "bleater", jackass, and I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say there is a fair amount of mocking of Kerry's service and medals coming from the Republicans. Whether that is deserved or not, it's a slap in the face to veterans unless someone PROVES Kerry doesn't deserve being honored for his service.

Look, "jackass" - kerry threw his "symbols" - HE marginalized/disrespected them - He said "[ I] renounce the symbols which this country gives".
That doesn't excuse what that deligate did but again the bandaids weren't an authorized or a promoted thing by the part. Yours and others attempts to make it a whole party things is totally asinine.

Czar - My post was about him tossing his medals - thus marginalizing/disrespecting them himself.

CsG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
kerry marginalized his own medals when he tossed the "symbols" over the fence.

You missed the part where it's Kerry's right to do what he wishes with his medals. You probably also missed the point he was trying to make by doing so. Doesn't surprise me. Still doesn't make it right for Republicans to diss soldiers who received purple hearts.

That being said - I don't think something like that was appropriate for that guy to distribute. I also don't think it's appropriate or honest for you bleaters to claim it was the party doing it.

CsG

Oh yes, the standard Cad MO. If it's bad it can't be blamed on Bush/Republicans. If it's good, the same group gets the credit.

Lesse, a Republican delegate Morton Blackwell organizes this purple heart bandage nonsense, and OH! He has nothing to do with the Republican party. OH! The secret service and goon squad at Bush events arrest anyone who dares speak out against the President. NOTHING to do with the administration or the Republican party. OH! If the GOP's main attorney also advises the Swift Boat Vets. Oh hey, what a coincidence ... and that's just recently.

Wow you're like a partisan magician Cad. All smoke and mirrors.

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I find it shocking the number of veterans and active military people who support the Republicans, and Bush in particular. They, and he, have shown time and time again that they have very little respect for the men and women who serve our country.

I realize military people, in general, lean more towards conservative than liberal. But if you look at the big picture, you're supporting a man who sends you and your fellow soldiers into pointless danger while jacking your pay and benefits...and who, when it was his turn to pick up a gun and defend our country, avoided his duty and his obligation. Yet the man you say you hate did not.

I honestly do not understand it, could someone explain it to me? I'm not saying you have to like Kerry either...but why in the HELL do you support Bush?

well said. :beer: both sides of the aisle have heroes and veterans but it is the policies of this administration that I disagree strongly with. Hopefully enough people will see through the hate and fear mongering.

2 more months and we will hopefully vote out this disaster of a president and GWB too.

 

[Infohawk]

"Anyone who questions Kerry's service in Vietnam is pissing on all Vietnam vets. If you are one of these people you should stop calling yourself American and move to Cuba." Thank you.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
kerry marginalized his own medals when he tossed the "symbols" over the fence.

You missed the part where it's Kerry's right to do what he wishes with his medals. You probably also missed the point he was trying to make by doing so. Doesn't surprise me. Still doesn't make it right for Republicans to diss soldiers who received purple hearts.

That being said - I don't think something like that was appropriate for that guy to distribute. I also don't think it's appropriate or honest for you bleaters to claim it was the party doing it.

CsG

Oh yes, the standard Cad MO. If it's bad it can't be blamed on Bush/Republicans. If it's good, the same group gets the credit.

Lesse, a Republican delegate Morton Blackwell organizes this purple heart bandage nonsense, and OH! He has nothing to do with the Republican party. OH! The secret service and goon squad at Bush events arrest anyone who dares speak out against the President. NOTHING to do with the administration or the Republican party. OH! If the GOP's main attorney also advises the Swift Boat Vets. Oh hey, what a coincidence ... and that's just recently.

Wow you're like a partisan magician Cad. All smoke and mirrors.

Wow - way to spin up a picture.:roll: No one endorsed or approved those band-aids and you know it. So why don't you all pull your panties from the twist they are in and realize that it wasn't the party who did this. I said it wasn't appropriate and I don't support ANYONE doing such a thing, however - I also don't and won't support someone who renounces the symbols their country gave them and then tries to campaign on those symbols. Did he deserve them? Maybe - but he renounced them so the question of whether or not he was deserving of them is moot.

Oh, and you better check your own partisanship there DM

CsG

 

[HamSupLo]

I'd rather get my teeth filled then to get some medals

 

[Vic]

Very, very poor taste on the part of the Republicans, and an insult to every soldier who ever earned a Purple Heart. Yet one more reason why I will NOT be voting for Bush.

 

[onelove]

purple heart bandaids? so what? this is sorta funny in the context. There's some pretty uptight people here. (disclosure: I'm not a vet - I do have respect for people who serve and especially those who have been killed/injured in service.)

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I find it shocking the number of veterans and active military people who support the Republicans, and Bush in particular. They, and he, have shown time and time again that they have very little respect for the men and women who serve our country.

I realize military people, in general, lean more towards conservative than liberal. But if you look at the big picture, you're supporting a man who sends you and your fellow soldiers into pointless danger while jacking your pay and benefits...and who, when it was his turn to pick up a gun and defend our country, avoided his duty and his obligation. Yet the man you say you hate did not.

I honestly do not understand it, could someone explain it to me? I'm not saying you have to like Kerry either...but why in the HELL do you support Bush?

Bush gives them what they need. Most of them try to stay out of the politics of why they are where they are, because thinking about it could get them killed. They volunteered, knowing full well that they would quite possibly be in foreign lands getting shot at, so they don't see a big problem when this actually happens. They like it better than sitting in a base training the same way day in and day out, since they are actually accomplishing something, plus they get paid more while deployed. Further, Bush has given them raises, not dropped their pay and beneifts. This is the explanation my best friend gave me (82nd Airborne - been to Iraq and Afghanistan), and most of his fellow troops agreed.

As for the band-aid stunt, that's beyond justification. As I said before, it's like an inside joke that outsiders get and are instantly offended by. It offends me, and I never served in the military.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Vic
Very, very poor taste on the part of the Republicans, and an insult to every soldier who ever earned a Purple Heart. Yet one more reason why I will NOT be voting for Bush.

And what gets me is that some of you have the nerve to call Bush-supporters sheep, then post drivel like this. In that case, I'll not vote for Kerry, as some whacked, anti-Bush protestor attacted a police officer at the RNC protests. He obviously was working directly for Kerry and represents the entire Democrat Party. :roll:

The whole purple heart fiasco IS a shame and IS stupid, but to use that as a reason not to vote for a candidate is simply moronic. That's like saying all babies should be killed, because of the dispicable actions of extreme pro-life activists. Try to think for yourselves, especially if you are going to call others "brainwashed sheep."

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Vic
Very, very poor taste on the part of the Republicans, and an insult to every soldier who ever earned a Purple Heart. Yet one more reason why I will NOT be voting for Bush.

And what gets me is that some of you have the nerve to call Bush-supporters sheep, then post drivel like this. In that case, I'll not vote for Kerry, as some whacked, anti-Bush protestor attacted a police officer at the RNC protests. He obviously was working directly for Kerry and represents the entire Democrat Party. :roll:

The whole purple heart fiasco IS a shame and IS stupid, but to use that as a reason not to vote for a candidate is simply moronic. That's like saying all babies should be killed, because of the dispicable actions of extreme pro-life activists. Try to think for yourselves, especially if you are going to call others "brainwashed sheep."

I can't think of anything more moronic than voting for Bush.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Vic
Very, very poor taste on the part of the Republicans, and an insult to every soldier who ever earned a Purple Heart. Yet one more reason why I will NOT be voting for Bush.

And what gets me is that some of you have the nerve to call Bush-supporters sheep, then post drivel like this. In that case, I'll not vote for Kerry, as some whacked, anti-Bush protestor attacted a police officer at the RNC protests. He obviously was working directly for Kerry and represents the entire Democrat Party. :roll:

The whole purple heart fiasco IS a shame and IS stupid, but to use that as a reason not to vote for a candidate is simply moronic. That's like saying all babies should be killed, because of the dispicable actions of extreme pro-life activists. Try to think for yourselves, especially if you are going to call others "brainwashed sheep."

:roll:

First, learn to read -- "Yet one more reason". Not the only reason, moron. Crash and burn on the spin attempt there.

Second, I'm a conservative. Against Bush. Explain to me how I'm not thinking for myself.

 

[Genx87]

I'm not following. They are mocking the medals won by Kerry in Vietnam. It is not a "gesture". Please explain to me how marginalizing Kerry's medals is not an attack on his medals?

Exactly how are they "mocking" the medals? The guy made a bad mistake. But hardly is he "mocking" or "attacking" the medals. I would expect something a little more extreme out of him like "tossing" the medals or "spitting" on them.

Oh wait.................