Puppy placed in hot car as punishment dies - WHY, WHY, WHY

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LostHiWay

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Originally posted by: dahunan
But I think the same people who shoot little birds and squirrels are the same ones who do stuff like this so maybe someone here knows a potential animal abuser that they can help???
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I shoot birds and squirrels. It is legal you know..it's called hunting. I don't don't think I'm f@cked in the head doing it either.

Anyway..I think it's really sad that this thread has more replies than the thread about 60 PEOPLE being killed at an airshow
 

It's sad that a dog doesn't know what's happening to it when it's sitting in a hot car and everything hurts and it's just going to lie down to sleep for a little while...

People have it a little easier when they die; they can reason and figure out exactly what's going on, but dogs and other animals can't. And it's sad that many times, their deaths are our faults.
 

djheater

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The way in which we treat those dependant upon us reflects to some degree how we feel about (and I hate this cliche) our own inner child.

One would wonder about this mans relationships.... I would hope he doesn't have children.
 

TwinkleToes77

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It's all sad and all, poor puppy. BUT... the same people who are writing in about maximum penalties and what not for the guy who just so happened to use BAD judgement are probably the same type of people who picket executions of childing molesting serial killers.

I'm not saying that what the guy did was not wrong. It was very bad judgement and I doubt he set out to kill the puppy. Sometimes when you are really upset you react in an irrational manner unthoughtout manner.
 

TwinkleToes77

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Originally posted by: JuMpR629
It's sad that a dog doesn't know what's happening to it when it's sitting in a hot car and everything hurts and it's just going to lie down to sleep for a little while...

People have it a little easier when they die; they can reason and figure out exactly what's going on, but dogs and other animals can't. And it's sad that many times, their deaths are our faults.

Are you a dog? You know exactly what a dog's mind goes through? Some say dogs ARE smarter than humans you know.
 

kami

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That guy has to be a real moron if he didn't think that would hurt or kill the dog. Having dumb trash like that out of society will be for the best anyway.

Some say dogs ARE smarter than humans you know.
Yeah considering they've already figured out interstellar travel while humans are piddling away their time inventing things such as microchips and cures for diseases.
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:p ;)
 

TwinkleToes77

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Yeah considering they've already figured out interstellar travel while humans are piddling away their time inventing things such as microchips and cures for diseases.
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:p ;)

Yeah but not EVERY human is inventing things and creating cures... IE trailer trash type people who just waste away their time by drinking a case Milwaukees Best sitting around in their underwear all day being unemployed. So YES, some dogs ARE smarter than humans. :)
 

incallisto

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Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
Boo-frigging-hoo. Show the article to a mother in a war-torn country while she's holding her dead child's body. Or a kid with a distended belly whose parents just died of starvation so the kid could have the last of their food. See how much sympathy you get.

It's a dog. He wasn't trying to torture it. He wasn't shooting it with a bb gun as seems to be implied above. He made a mistake, and not one of you knows anything about the man or the circumstances beyond what you see in this article. Notice that the "Internet site" that gave this national attention isn't even specified.

Are you saying that a puppy's life is worthless? He was trying to the torture the puppy. Anyone with a single grain of sense would know that putting a puppy in a car during 100 degree heat and not placing water in the cage would kill the animal. That's not how you train any animal to avoid urinating on carpet. You teach them by example, showing them where they should urinate, giving them a doggy door, etc. It's obvious to me that he was a complete embicile and he was trying to torture the animal.

Are you advocating the torture of puppies? (my sister's puppy, Sir Alec). Anyone who would harm a puppy, kitten, child, or anything that's incapable of defending itself is inhumane and savage. Darren Hertzer's day will come (probably in prison), someone stronger and faster will show him what it's like to be helpless.
 

dahunan

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By sticking the puppy in a crate it never got a chance to try and gets anyones attention to save it

He knew exactly what he was doing.

That crate insured that little puppys death.
 

dahunan

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I think the Airshow was a terrible tragedy - horrible and beyond words to describe it.

Question - were the deaths at the airshow carried out intentionally? No, it was a horrible freak accident.

The problem with Lord Evermore is he can type all you want but you exposed your TRUE COLORS in your first post.

You should just give it a rest. Go sit in a church for a couple of hours and rest that angry soul of yours.
I am not religious, but churches are filled with spirituality and yours is tormented.
 

Sepen

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Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
Boo-frigging-hoo. Show the article to a mother in a war-torn country while she's holding her dead child's body. Or a kid with a distended belly whose parents just died of starvation so the kid could have the last of their food. See how much sympathy you get.

It's a dog. He wasn't trying to torture it. He wasn't shooting it with a bb gun as seems to be implied above. He made a mistake, and not one of you knows anything about the man or the circumstances beyond what you see in this article. Notice that the "Internet site" that gave this national attention isn't even specified.


Wow, such compassion, and a
"Elite"member to boot.
 

Yossarian451

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Well, I bet the guy is happy he doesn't live in TExas, we have new legislation that would make it a Felony. And I agree with the law too, we have seen some really horrible stuff around here, let's see some kids skinned a dog alive and left it to die, just recently they set a dog on fire by dousing it in gasoline. The new legislation is going to show these people that it is unacceptable to harm an animal that has no real defense against you. And I wouldn't be suprised if our justice system takes care of people like that. See in Texas our prison system ha a way of taking care of twisted people, like child molestors, see the prisoners beat or kill people like that. Double wammy, maybe, but hey it is Texas, and I love this country.
 

res1bhmg

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Sorry, I'll have to post because misinformation is evil.

Blood boiling? Is that straight out of the tabloids? C'mon guys, really, use your brains for a second. With extreme heat and lack of water comes dehydration and heat stroke. That's how the dog died; not because some crackpot who's watched a few too many bad B-movies said his blood boiled and all his veins burst.

Was the guy wrong? Yes, he made a mistake. A fine and some community service is probably in order. Jail-time? Hell no. But if I were ever in his shoes, the beagle would've been in a shallow grave, and I would've forgotten I ever owned a dog.

Lynch mob indeed.
 

Parabol

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For those of you offering the "it's just a dog" I offer you this:

"Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to the animals, they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas it is true of almost everyone of us." -Dostoevsky
 

rh71

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It is my opinion that this individual was simply stupid enough to leave the dog in there for far too long. I believe it was a mistake. I believe he was angry at the dog at the time, but did not intend to kill it. In my opinion, he was stupid.

I think a year would suffice for such a crime. He deserves every minute of it. I am a dog lover 100%. This is extremely tragic for the dog as what it went through was one of the worst forms of torture. Still, I did not see this much hatred for the mother who left her 2 children to die in the car a couple short months ago. I can understand the difference in circumstances, but I don't see this being handled by anybody incorrectly. Deaths happen. Accidental deaths are terrible. Nonetheless, they all get punishments.
 

LordMaul

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Nov 16, 2000
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Originally posted by: Muadib
Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
And in any case, it is still JUST a dog. The fate of the world isn't hanging in the balance because of this.

Heck, you could say the same for 99.9999% of your life too, I'd bet. Does that make it any less meaningful?

Dogs/animals != humans.

I have 3 dogs right now, and have had about 9 others before them. They are all like a part of the family, in a way, and they all have a sort of personality everyone in the house knows. However, if one of them died, I might be pissed, but it wouldn't be ANYTHING like if a PERSON had died.

Guy kills dog = We'll see what happens.

Guy kills family member = his death warrant.
 

quirky

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lord evermore- why are you so frikin insistant of yoru petty opinion? nobody cares what you think.
 

LordMaul

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Originally posted by: quirky
lord evermore- why are you so frikin insistant of yoru petty opinion? nobody cares what you think.

Obviously, if you read the replies to his posts, that is quite wrong.
 

Lord Evermore

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So, it's okay for everyone else to be "so fricking insistent" about their opinions, but it's not okay for me to defend my opinions? Considering that 90% of this thread is replies to me, it seems people do care what I think, even if it is only that they disagree.

Parabol: your little quote means nothing to me. I don't feel foul, and I don't feel shamed for being human.

Sepen: I never asked to be made Elite, and I never made any claims to that title being a reflection on my personality. Nobody ever said compassion was a requirement for it, either. I have great compassion when it's deserved. I'd never torture an animal or stand by while it happens. However I don't feel the life of a human should be destroyed because he made a mistake and a dog was accidentally killed.

dahunan: I stand by my "true colors". I think it's stupid that people can get so upset about a dog accidentally being killed (because despite everyone's repeated assertions that he "meant to do it", you still don't know all the facts and you do NOT know that he meant to do it, you simply choose to believe he did). While it is sad that a dog suffered, it is not a tragedy of national importance, nor one that should cause this man to lose a year of his life.

incallisto: no, I didn't say it's alright to torture a puppy or that its life is worthless. I said only that its life was not so important that half the country should be up in arms because a man made a mistake. You repeat the same things that others have, that he "meant to do it", but again, you really don't know, you just choose to believe that; your feelings about the importance of dogs sways you toward the more vindictive view of events. I choose to look at it logically and see that there is not enough information to say whether he intended to torture the animal or not, and if he did not, then he does not deserve a year of his life taken away. If it is found that he was intentionally cruel, then perhaps he does deserve prison time for it. But at this point, all of you have simply judged him before knowing everything about the case.

CptObvious: essentially the same argument; you've made a judgement based on insufficient evidence, because your OPINION is that he had to have known what he was doing. But you don't know.


I do not believe dogs are smarter than humans in terms of sentient intelligence. Certainly they're better (or at least some breeds are) at things like tracking or things like that, but that does not imply they're "intelligent" as I use the term. Remember, dogs chase their own tails and moving cars. I do not believe that a dog's life is as important as a humans, either. Every dog on the planet dying would not be as important as the death of one human (except insofar as the scientific investigation into why all dogs died, of course, since the investigation into the death of the human could be handled with fewer people).
 

TwinkleToes77

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We were talking about this thread on irc and someone said something quite note worthy:

<wonk> i think that it's easier to get upset about a dog because they are a different species and we don't seem to abuse them as widely as children are abused. if people got as upset about children, they'd have to face some pretty big and serious problems with society, and most people aren't ready.
<wonk> also, many more people have been abused in some way as a child, and there's a syndrome whereby we accept our abuse as normal somehow in order to function. we trick ourselves into accepting it in order to just function. so we project our anger onto the animal abusers.
 

Balt

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Mar 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
So, it's okay for everyone else to be "so fricking insistent" about their opinions, but it's not okay for me to defend my opinions? Considering that 90% of this thread is replies to me, it seems people do care what I think, even if it is only that they disagree.

Parabol: your little quote means nothing to me. I don't feel foul, and I don't feel shamed for being human.

Sepen: I never asked to be made Elite, and I never made any claims to that title being a reflection on my personality. Nobody ever said compassion was a requirement for it, either. I have great compassion when it's deserved. I'd never torture an animal or stand by while it happens. However I don't feel the life of a human should be destroyed because he made a mistake and a dog was accidentally killed.

dahunan: I stand by my "true colors". I think it's stupid that people can get so upset about a dog accidentally being killed (because despite everyone's repeated assertions that he "meant to do it", you still don't know all the facts and you do NOT know that he meant to do it, you simply choose to believe he did). While it is sad that a dog suffered, it is not a tragedy of national importance, nor one that should cause this man to lose a year of his life.

incallisto: no, I didn't say it's alright to torture a puppy or that its life is worthless. I said only that its life was not so important that half the country should be up in arms because a man made a mistake. You repeat the same things that others have, that he "meant to do it", but again, you really don't know, you just choose to believe that; your feelings about the importance of dogs sways you toward the more vindictive view of events. I choose to look at it logically and see that there is not enough information to say whether he intended to torture the animal or not, and if he did not, then he does not deserve a year of his life taken away. If it is found that he was intentionally cruel, then perhaps he does deserve prison time for it. But at this point, all of you have simply judged him before knowing everything about the case.

CptObvious: essentially the same argument; you've made a judgement based on insufficient evidence, because your OPINION is that he had to have known what he was doing. But you don't know.


I do not believe dogs are smarter than humans in terms of sentient intelligence. Certainly they're better (or at least some breeds are) at things like tracking or things like that, but that does not imply they're "intelligent" as I use the term. Remember, dogs chase their own tails and moving cars. I do not believe that a dog's life is as important as a humans, either. Every dog on the planet dying would not be as important as the death of one human (except insofar as the scientific investigation into why all dogs died, of course, since the investigation into the death of the human could be handled with fewer people).


I have an idea. Shut the fvck up. No one wants to read your worthless troll POS opinion, and especially not in this thread. It's obvious your only intention is to be contradictory and annoying.

If you are so enlightened and concerned about human life, get off your lazy ass and go volunteer for the Peace Corps. Otherwise, just leave this thread alone and quit harrassing people.


As for everyone else, I'm sure he'll feel the need to 'contribute' some more to this thread. I would advise you to ignore his attempts to make himself the center of attention and just appreciate his free bumpage.
 

Balt

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Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
I'll point out again, you cared enough to reply.

No, I cared enough about the story to say something about your attempts to cloud the issue with your "moral relativism" crap.

Don't worry, though, this is the last reply you will see from me.