Puppy placed in hot car as punishment dies - WHY, WHY, WHY

[dahunan]

This is so saddening.
I thought twice about sharing it because it is so painful to read. But I think the same people who shoot little birds and squirrels are the same ones who do stuff like this so maybe someone here knows a potential animal abuser that they can help???

I have got to stop reading the news

What is it that causes these people to do stuff like this?
Makes me want to believe in a God so I can believe that he will be punished and that the puppy is in a better place

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Puppy placed in hot car as punishment dies

Associated Press
July 26, 2002 08:20:00

IOWA CITY, Iowa - A case involving the death of a beagle puppy has focused the attention of animal lovers on an Iowa community.


Prosecutors in Johnson County, Iowa say they've received hundreds of e-mails from across the country demanding full prosecution for a man accused of leaving the dog in a hot car.

The defendant is 24-year-old Darren Hertzer. He is charged with animal neglect for allegedly leaving his brother's puppy in a car for three hours on a hot day in June.

Hertzer told police that he put the dog in a plastic pet carrier, without water, as punishment for urinating in the apartment. The puppy died of heat exhaustion.

The case gained national attention when an article about it appeared on an Internet site.

If convicted of neglect, Hertzer faces up to a year in prison and a $1,500.

Many of the e-mails are form letters demanding maximum punishment. Other expressed anger, like one from a Florida man who suggested the defendant should be tied in the hot sun for four hours.LINK

 

[Geekbabe]

That is so sick and so sad,that poor puppy

 

[ohtwell]

People like that make me sick. I don't understand how anyone can do that to an animal. :|

Poor puppy





: ) Amanda

 

[dahunan]

How to contact the County Attorney's office:
J. Patrick White, Johnson County Attorney mailto:jpwhite@co.johnson.ia.us
Johnson County Court House
417 South Clinton Street
Iowa City, IA 52240 Phone: (319) 339-6100
office hours:
8:00 am-5:00 pm, Monday-Friday

LINK TO COUNTY ATTORNEY OFFICE

 

[Lord Evermore]

Boo-frigging-hoo. Show the article to a mother in a war-torn country while she's holding her dead child's body. Or a kid with a distended belly whose parents just died of starvation so the kid could have the last of their food. See how much sympathy you get.

It's a dog. He wasn't trying to torture it. He wasn't shooting it with a bb gun as seems to be implied above. He made a mistake, and not one of you knows anything about the man or the circumstances beyond what you see in this article. Notice that the "Internet site" that gave this national attention isn't even specified.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
Boo-frigging-hoo. Show the article to a mother in a war-torn country while she's holding her dead child's body. Or a kid with a distended belly whose parents just died of starvation so the kid could have the last of their food. See how much sympathy you get.

It's a dog. He wasn't trying to torture it. He wasn't shooting it with a bb gun as seems to be implied above. He made a mistake, and not one of you knows anything about the man or the circumstances beyond what you see in this article. Notice that the "Internet site" that gave this national attention isn't even specified.

Nice evil face you chose for your avatar ???

He made a mistake? Well, I guess that isn't how you potty train a puppy, so maybe you are right - you low life!

So then you justify bad things that happen by reporting that even worse things happen???

So what happened to the World Trade Center was no big deal because worse things have happened? Is that your line of reasoning?

Well, maybe I should lock you in a plastic cage and then inside an airtight container in 100 degreee weather until you die and see who cares - my guess, nobody will care if you are gone!

 

[Lucky]

He made a mistake, and not one of you knows anything about the man or the circumstances beyond what you see in this article. Notice that the "Internet site" that gave this national attention isn't even specified.

Uh, MSNBC or CNN a good enough "internet site" for you?

Here's the first thread about this from 2 weeks ago

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
Boo-frigging-hoo. Show the article to a mother in a war-torn country while she's holding her dead child's body. Or a kid with a distended belly whose parents just died of starvation so the kid could have the last of their food. See how much sympathy you get.

It's a dog. He wasn't trying to torture it. He wasn't shooting it with a bb gun as seems to be implied above. He made a mistake, and not one of you knows anything about the man or the circumstances beyond what you see in this article. Notice that the "Internet site" that gave this national attention isn't even specified.

Your a sick individual. Are you implying that an animals life is worthless? First off your post has NOTHING to do with this thread and is quite the blatant thread crap. Please take your elite ass elsewhere.

 

[Lord Evermore]

The fact that it was CNN doesn't moot the point that the article just said "an internet site". As far as I could tell, it could have been Bob's House of Fake News. Plus, most threads that are reposts get knocked down pretty quickly, why doesn't one like this that's about a 2 week old topic?

My opinion still stands. From the little information I can see, he didn't put the dog out in order to torture it, nor with any expectation that it would be harmed. Maybe he did know it wouldn't be good for it, or maybe he's not all that smart. Not a damn one of you knows the answer any more than I do. Lucky for this guy there's a jury system, so he's not getting lynched by people like you before any evidence is heard.

I'll also note the inflammatory statements used in the original article there: he did not "boil" the dog's blood. I'm sure there were more accurate statements made by authorities, but naturally the worst possible sounding one had to be used to incite people to get upset about this.

 

[Lucky]

Pardon me if you are a veteranarian, but how is this innacurate?

"Pretty much what he did was burst every blood vessel in the dog's body. He boiled it," said Misha Goodman, supervisor at the Iowa City Animal Shelter.

 

[Lord Evermore]

Blood doesn't boil at such low temperatures. There's no way the dogs body got anywhere near boiling point. Hot enough to kill, yes. Boil, no. The word boil is used to make it sound worse so people get more upset.

 

[ohtwell]

Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
He wasn't trying to torture it. He wasn't shooting it with a bb gun as seems to be implied above. He made a mistake, and not one of you knows anything about the man or the ircumstances beyond what you see in this article.

He put the dog in a hot car and left it there in a pet carrier for hours with no water. You don't consider that torture?

He knew what he was doing.






: ) Amanda

 

[jimmygates]

From the little information I can see, he didn't put the dog out in order to torture it, nor with any expectation that it would be harmed.



From what I can see he was punishing the dog for urinating on his apartment carpet. So to me that is torture or intent to harm.




-Jimbo

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
Blood doesn't boil at such low temperatures. There's no way the dogs body got anywhere near boiling point. Hot enough to kill, yes. Boil, no. The word boil is used to make it sound worse so people get more upset.

Inside of a locked car on a hot day temperatures could easily reach 140+. Granted that not the boiling point of blood (water?) but it's not exactly a low temperature either.

 

[Lord Evermore]

You don't know what the actual temperature was, nor do I, and really no one ever will. Regardless, it wasn't boiling temperature. My only point with that statement was the use of selective hyperbole, i.e., shock journalism.

And I still say, he didn't necessarily intend any harm or torture. Punishing a dog by isolating it isn't torture. He simply chose the wrong place to isolate it. In all likelihood he didn't put him in the car thinking "good, the terrible heat in here should be good punishment".

As you can see, I'm not exactly an animal lover. I don't condone torture or violent punishment, though. I just think there are worse things to get your panties in a bunch over than some guy accidentally killing a dog.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
You don't know what the actual temperature was, nor do I, and really no one ever will. Regardless, it wasn't boiling temperature. My only point with that statement was the use of selective hyperbole, i.e., shock journalism.

And I still say, he didn't necessarily intend any harm or torture. Punishing a dog by isolating it isn't torture. He simply chose the wrong place to isolate it. In all likelihood he didn't put him in the car thinking "good, the terrible heat in here should be good punishment".

As you can see, I'm not exactly an animal lover. I don't condone torture or violent punishment, though. I just think there are worse things to get your panties in a bunch over than some guy accidentally killing a dog.

you're a cold SOB tonight, aren't you.

 

[compuwiz1]

Evermore just went down in my book as another insensitive jerk. I am extremely saddened when I see these things. Yes, I have compassion for animals. Deal with it. :|
This was no accident, he knew he was torturing the dog. Some people do not deserve to have pets.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Oh he didn't know, it was a mistake, he's stupid, blah blah blah. WTF world do you live in where any of those excuses absolves you of responsibility for your actions?

In all likelihood he didn't put him in the car thinking "good, the terrible heat in here should be good punishment".

In all likelihood that's EXACTLY what he was thinking.

 

[rh71]

Keep in mind it was his brother's dog. He could've hated the dog for all we know... and it urinating on their apartment carpet was probably the last straw for him.

Maybe I missed it... but did he report this himself after finding him dead in the car? Or did his brother (the owner) report it? What's his brother's stance on all this ? Interesting to see...

 

[dahunan]

This is my dog and why this topic so pisses me off.


I am going to see if I can find any more info on this case from the local papers for our resident toughguy with no compassion.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Lord Evermore -

It matters not if the blood was boiling.

"It's a dog. He wasn't trying to torture it. He wasn't shooting it with a bb gun as seems to be implied above. He made a mistake, and not one of you knows anything about the man or the circumstances beyond what you see in this article. Notice that the "Internet site" that gave this national attention isn't even specified."<B>
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The fact of the matter is that his actions were meant to cause severe pain to the dog. How can you sit there and dismiss this as a mistake. His "mistake" was continuing the "lesson" for too long.

Call it what you like, it is torture.

What this guy did was horrible. What do you call locking a living being in a hot car for 3 hours? Putting a puppy in a car to bake for 3 hours is a cruel, hideous thing to do. What do I really need to know about the man? What could possibly excuse his actions?

"My opinion still stands. From the little information I can see, he didn't put the dog out in order to torture it, nor with any expectation that it would be harmed. Maybe he did know it wouldn't be good for it, or maybe he's not all that smart. Not a damn one of you knows the answer any more than I do. Lucky for this guy there's a jury system, so he's not getting lynched by people like you before any evidence is heard."

You are a complete idiot, then. What information do you really need to see? How can you lock something in a car for 3 f*kcing hours and not expect it to suffer? Have you ever been in a closed car without the AC on in summer? We all know the answer. He knew damn well what he was doing. You are pretending that you don't. My question is "Why?"

You know damn good and well he intended to at least hurt the dog... and a reasonable group of 12 jurors will certainly know.

 

[Lord Evermore]

Even if he is found guilty of abuse, and is proven to have intended torture (can't really PROVE that he meant to do it), that still won't change my mind, I still won't particularly care about the story. It will make me think that yes, he deserves some sort of punishment (though I think a year in jail would be excessive for killing a dog), but I still think there's other things that one could focus attention on that are more important.

As rh17 said: "for all we know". I'll point out again that none of you DOES know. The repeated statements that "he knew what he was doing" are, in fact, just the knee-jerk reaction to a sad occurence in which the reporting was slanted to make someone out to be a monster, where the media intended to judge the person rather than allowing the justice system to do so.

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
Even if he is found guilty of abuse, and is proven to have intended torture (can't really PROVE that he meant to do it), that still won't change my mind, I still won't particularly care about the story. It will make me think that yes, he deserves some sort of punishment (though I think a year in jail would be excessive for killing a dog), but I still think there's other things that one could focus attention on that are more important.

As rh17 said: "for all we know". I'll point out again that none of you DOES know. The repeated statements that "he knew what he was doing" are, in fact, just the knee-jerk reaction to a sad occurence in which the reporting was slanted to make someone out to be a monster, where the media intended to judge the person rather than allowing the justice system to do so.

Just because there are other things in this world that are more important, dosent make this act any less dispicable. One has nothing to do with the other.

 

[Lord Evermore]

As to whether he knew that the car would hurt the dog, yes, I CAN say that he may not have been aware how hot it would get in the car. He opened the windows, therefore he seems to have been attempting to allow the temperature to remain low enough not to be harmful. Unless he was truly twisted and intended that to be a misdirection in case someone should ask why he left the windows closed, then to me, that means he didn't intend to harm the dog, and very well could have intended only to have the dog isolated and away from where it could do any harm to his home. If he'd had a yard, perhaps he could have put the dog there, and he may well have wished he could do that and chosen the car as the only place he could find.

Have fun passing judgement without all the information.

 

[ohtwell]

Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
As to whether he knew that the car would hurt the dog, yes, I CAN say that he may not have been aware how hot it would get in the car. He opened the windows, therefore he seems to have been attempting to allow the temperature to remain low enough not to be harmful. Unless he was truly twisted and intended that to be a misdirection in case someone should ask why he left the windows closed, then to me, that means he didn't intend to harm the dog, and very well could have intended only to have the dog isolated and away from where it could do any harm to his home. If he'd had a yard, perhaps he could have put the dog there, and he may well have wished he could do that and chosen the car as the only place he could find.

Have fun passing judgement without all the information.

Keeping an animal isolated to punish it is understandable.

Keeping an animal in a car, windows down or up, on a hot day with no water is not.







: ) Amanda