You stupid ignorant fvck. As body and room temperature go up, blood pressure goes down in an attempt to cool off. A car parked in the hot sun will reach 140F+ easily, causing the internal pressure to drop. The lower the pressure, the lower the boiling temperature. Try taking remedial physics in between shifts at your McJob before the next time you attempt to sound smart.
Why don't they do the same to him? No fine...no jail...just put him in a man-size pet carrier, shove him in the back of an SUV, and park it in the middle of a mall parking lot on a 95F+ day....:| :|
Maybe they could have Lord Evermore on-site to find out exactly if the guy's blood boils or not....
Maybe they could have Lord Evermore on-site to find out exactly if the guy's blood boils or not....
Funny, you don't seem to be providing any more details than I did in order to prove me wrong. I see no calculations (or links to scientific information) which show the exact pressure drop and what the correlation would be to the particular temperature needed in the car to cause the blood to boil. I maintain my opinion that the comment about blood boiling was used as a shock phrase, not intended by the speaker to be truly scientific, and used by the author of the article to cause a sensation further than otherwise would have happened (though perhaps only slightly more).
Prove me wrong.
I don't seem to have gotten the memo where my opinion on the matter is suddenly of lesser value than the opinions of others. If all that was wanted was a bunch of replies that said "kill the fscker, he's a sicko", perhaps a public forum was the wrong place to post it.
Prove me wrong.
I don't seem to have gotten the memo where my opinion on the matter is suddenly of lesser value than the opinions of others. If all that was wanted was a bunch of replies that said "kill the fscker, he's a sicko", perhaps a public forum was the wrong place to post it.
Originally posted by: jaeger66
You stupid ignorant fvck. As body and room temperature go up, blood pressure goes down in an attempt to cool off. A car parked in the hot sun will reach 140F+ easily, causing the internal pressure to drop. The lower the pressure, the lower the boiling temperature. Try taking remedial physics in between shifts at your McJob before the next time you attempt to sound smart.[/q
AAAAAHAHAHAHA...nice.
One other thing, even at zero pressure and normal body temperature, the blood doesn't actually boil (at least not throughout the body) due to the restraint of the blood vessels, which essentially provides pressure to the blood inside regardless of the pressure outside.
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Are you some kind of retard? Blood pressure isn't relative, if it drops it drops. The fluids in your body WILL boil, if the temperature is high enough or the pressure is low enough. It's true that in humans at least, blood won't boil at zero outside pressure and 98.6F, it requires a temp of around 112. Dogs, OTOH, have a lower mean blood pressure and a higher body temperature and then you factor in the extreme ambient temperature...it isn't rocket science.
I'm not a vet or a doctor, and I'm certainly not good enough with Google to find out the exact formula needed to determine what the higher temperature would do to the air pressure, or specifically what a dog's blood pressure is like, or what temperature would be needed to make a dog's blood boil in a particular pressure caused by the heat. But, jaeger66, it seems neither are you, since you don't seem able to prove that you're right, either, you're simply more assertive about your information so it looks like you're speaking with actual scientific knowledge of the subject. I still say, prove it. Tell me what you know that tells you without a doubt that the temperature in a car on a hot day is sufficient to reduce the air pressure in the car to the point that an animal, specifically a dog, would possibly have its blood boil in its veins. Unless you can give that information, your assertions are no more valid than my own.
thats so f*cked up. i recently stepped on my puppies foot by accident and i felt like sh*t. that guy really better feel like sh*t
as for blood boiling, i don't think so. ur body doesn't create vacumnes... low blood pressure just means ur bloods not being pushed very hard by ur heart becuz either ur heart is weak or u don't have much blood left.
as for blood boiling, i don't think so. ur body doesn't create vacumnes... low blood pressure just means ur bloods not being pushed very hard by ur heart becuz either ur heart is weak or u don't have much blood left.
That's not something anybody in this thread seems to want to consider a possibility, Nefrodite. They don't seem to think there's any chance that he feels bad about this, they seem to think he must have done it deliberately, willfully, and knowingly. From my own personal interpretation of the limited information provided, I think it's more likely he just did something stupid and wasn't thinking, however I'm not on the jury, and I don't have every piece of evidence.
Incidentally, rh71 asked and I don't know if you got an answer, according to the previous article in the other thread, the guy called 911 himself when he found the dog unresponsive. Naturally there is no other information given, such as what his emotional state was at the time (whether he was upset about the dog being hurt at all, or if he was just upset that the dog was dead and that he'd now have to get in trouble for it) and as you mentioned, no information about what the brother thought. He may, for all we know, consider it a total accident and not want any trial at all, or he may be blaming himself for leaving it with his brother knowing how much he hates dogs.
Nefrodite: The "blood boiling" concept is based on the fact that at lower pressures, liquids boil at lower temperature. Water boils at 100 degrees Celsius at one atmosphere (the unit of measuring atmospheric pressure), but at lower pressures such as on a mountain, it boils below that temperature (this is part of why food packages have "high altitude" directions). So some people are saying that the pressure inside the car could have been reduced so much, that the extreme heat in the car could have been enough to cause the blood to boil.
Incidentally, rh71 asked and I don't know if you got an answer, according to the previous article in the other thread, the guy called 911 himself when he found the dog unresponsive. Naturally there is no other information given, such as what his emotional state was at the time (whether he was upset about the dog being hurt at all, or if he was just upset that the dog was dead and that he'd now have to get in trouble for it) and as you mentioned, no information about what the brother thought. He may, for all we know, consider it a total accident and not want any trial at all, or he may be blaming himself for leaving it with his brother knowing how much he hates dogs.
Nefrodite: The "blood boiling" concept is based on the fact that at lower pressures, liquids boil at lower temperature. Water boils at 100 degrees Celsius at one atmosphere (the unit of measuring atmospheric pressure), but at lower pressures such as on a mountain, it boils below that temperature (this is part of why food packages have "high altitude" directions). So some people are saying that the pressure inside the car could have been reduced so much, that the extreme heat in the car could have been enough to cause the blood to boil.
how hot is it in a sauna?
i ussually want to give the benifit of the doubt, but this seems a bit farther then a simple mistake. most anyone with an iq over 80 has heard of babies dying inside of hot cars. it seems like gross negligence to me most reasonable people know cars act like green houses or atleast that it gets really really hot inside. who hasn't climbed into a car after its been parked in a lot baking in the sun eh? its like a right of passage in any car culture.
that and he was 24, i don't think his parents could have shielded him from the world for all those 24 years
i ussually want to give the benifit of the doubt, but this seems a bit farther then a simple mistake. most anyone with an iq over 80 has heard of babies dying inside of hot cars. it seems like gross negligence to me
most reasonable people know cars act like green houses or atleast that it gets really really hot inside. who hasn't climbed into a car after its been parked in a lot baking in the sun eh? its like a right of passage in any car culture. that and he was 24, i don't think his parents could have shielded him from the world for all those 24 years
The fact that there are regular reports even still of children who are accidentally left in hot cars (or elderly parents or animals), in cases where nobody assumes immediately that it was intentional, would seem to indicate that people still don't ALL think of the heat as being dangerous. One would expect people not to spend hours on end in the sun, yet most of us still come home with a sunburn from the beach every once in a while. You might KNOW something, but not think of it, or forget about it in the midst of excitement. None of us can say what happened in this case, we can only parrot what some reporter looking to get viewers/readership has passed on.
Muadib
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Get over the boiling blood already. The poor puppy died of heat exhaustion, just like Korey Stringer of the Vikings did last year, and this poor child did last month. The fact that it was a dog doesn't make it any less sadder. Surely you can see that, Evermore? And if it is proven that he meant to do it, then a year with Bubba won't be long enough in my book.
The use of the term "boil" was really a minor thing when I first mentioned it. Other people latched onto that as the only important part of what I said. If the dog died due to the guy being stupid, sure it's sad, and I'm sure the owner is upset, but the guy doesn't deserve to be vilified across countless websites and forums, or sent to prison (I'm not sure how a year in prison and a 1500 dollar fine is considered comparable; that's like slapping him on the wrist after you've hacked off his legs).
If it can be proven that he deliberately meant to torture or kill the dog (really difficult to do this, since he'd have to testify against himself and say he knew what he was doing, I can't think of any other way to prove what his thoughts were at the time), then he deserves punishment (though not necessarily a nationwide hatred of him still), but I'm not sure I personally feel sending him into our already overcrowded prisons is the right way to do it. That's certainly not going to make him dislike dogs any less or "correct" whatever behavioral problems he has that would cause him to do this.
And in any case, it is still JUST a dog. The fate of the world isn't hanging in the balance because of this.
If it can be proven that he deliberately meant to torture or kill the dog (really difficult to do this, since he'd have to testify against himself and say he knew what he was doing, I can't think of any other way to prove what his thoughts were at the time), then he deserves punishment (though not necessarily a nationwide hatred of him still), but I'm not sure I personally feel sending him into our already overcrowded prisons is the right way to do it. That's certainly not going to make him dislike dogs any less or "correct" whatever behavioral problems he has that would cause him to do this.
And in any case, it is still JUST a dog. The fate of the world isn't hanging in the balance because of this.
well... ussually people that forget about children in cars genuinly forget, be it stress or just stupidity.
this guy put the dog in there as punishment
thats a bit different me thinks. not even his puppy either.
bugsysiegel
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Far from being an idiot, I simply have a different opinion on how "tragic" this event is and how the man should be treated. I completely agree that it's sad that the guy's dog died, and if he meant to do it he should be punished. I just stop short of considering it national news, or that his life should be destroyed over it, or that he should be held up to the hatred of the entire country, and I admit that I don't have all the information needed to make an informed decision, which means I'm not going off half-cocked ready to lynch him.
Muadib: the difference between my life not affecting the events of the world and the death of this dog is pretty simple. I'm human. It's a dog. Unfortunately not everyone has the luxury of treating every single living thing as if it were as important as every other living thing. I personally don't like the idea of pets in any form, I consider it mistreating any animal to keep it locked up or tied up or in a cage or under glass. I can't go into a pet shop because of this. But I don't get all teary-eyed when I hear about a dog dying.
Muadib: the difference between my life not affecting the events of the world and the death of this dog is pretty simple. I'm human. It's a dog. Unfortunately not everyone has the luxury of treating every single living thing as if it were as important as every other living thing. I personally don't like the idea of pets in any form, I consider it mistreating any animal to keep it locked up or tied up or in a cage or under glass. I can't go into a pet shop because of this. But I don't get all teary-eyed when I hear about a dog dying.
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