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[HomerJS]

In the end, the American people are smarter than any of us individually. So when November comes, we'll see what the ultimate verdict is.

The fact Presidents are elected by the electoral college not the American people pokes a hole in your theory.

 

[fskimospy]

The fact Presidents are elected by the electoral college not the American people pokes a hole in your theory.

You make a good point in that he simultaneously says we should trust in the wisdom of the American people while rejecting the fact that the American people wanted someone else.

 

[Bird222]

Put two and two together. You know the truth but your brain is still wired like a primitive caveman. You can't get past the group/tribe rah rah that your neanderthal ancestors passed on to you. Learn to think critically and for yourself then we could possibly have a real conversation. Hard to have one otherwise.

In other words you have no proof. Let me guess Trump really didn't do it either.

 

[HomerJS]

Put two and two together. You know the truth but your brain is still wired like a primitive caveman. You can't get past the group/tribe rah rah that your neanderthal ancestors passed on to you. Learn to think critically and for yourself then we could possibly have a real conversation. Hard to have one otherwise.

So you are not smart enough to provide ONE piece of evidence Joe Biden accepted a bribe from Ukraine?

Go ahead prove us wrong

 

[ultimatebob]

Did it occur to you he did it just because it was the right thing to do? I hold that out as a possibility

I'm not sure if you can really make it to high public office with that level of ethics intact nowadays, but I guess that I can't rule it out as a possibility.

A more likely possibility is that Romney just has a personal grudge against Trump, and he wasn't planning on running for reelection anyway.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

In other words you have no proof. Let me guess Trump really didn't do it either.

Probably. I don't think it's an impeachable offense though. I think the Biden thing definitely deserves an investigation.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Probably. I don't think it's an impeachable offense though. I think the Biden thing definitely deserves an investigation.

Still no citations, Trash?

 

[fskimospy]

Probably. I don't think it's an impeachable offense though. I think the Biden thing definitely deserves an investigation.

To be clear you don’t think the President using his powers of office to have foreign powers investigate his political adversaries so that he can win re-election is an impeachable offense?

If that isn’t, what is? I’m serious, as if I had to pick an offense outside of outright treason I would say using the office to rig your own election would be at the absolute top of the list.

 

[fskimospy]

Still no citations, Trash?

He has conveniently gone from ‘Biden took bribes’ to ‘this should be investigated’ while never acknowledging he has no evidence. All of this after complaining that nobody here wants to have a reasonable conversation.

 

[ewdotson]

Probably. I don't think it's an impeachable offense though. I think the Biden thing definitely deserves an investigation.

Let's be crystal clear. What exactly is the "Biden thing" that you feel definitely deserves an investigation?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Let's be crystal clear. What exactly is the "Biden thing" that you feel definitely deserves an investigation?

'Whatever Trump says it is'

 

[Jaskalas]

The GOP didnt allow any evidence or witnesses. Hard to present the evidence you cant present in order to win a court case. Rigged trial by the GOP.

You mistake a political event for an actual trial. Sure they call it a trial, but it's like having the lackeys be the juror for their crime boss. You knew the outcome before the criminal was charged.

 

[HomerJS]

. I think the Biden thing definitely deserves an investigation.

Based on what? We could also investigate Mike Pence for goat fucking but the same question applies.

 

[fskimospy]

You mistake a political event for an actual trial. Sure they call it a trial, but it's like having the lackeys be the juror for their crime boss. You knew the outcome before the criminal was charged.

Exactly. Just so everyone is clear the reason why Republicans didn’t allow any witnesses is precisely because they knew Trump was guilty. If they thought witnesses would have exonerated him they would have called them in a second.

As popehat said their defense was never that Trump didn’t do it, their defense is and always has been ‘fuck you’.

 

[Commodus]

Probably. I don't think it's an impeachable offense though. I think the Biden thing definitely deserves an investigation.

Abusing foreign policy to pressure countries into helping your reelection campaign is the definition of an impeachable offense. It's misusing the highest public office for personal gain.

Tell me, if that doesn't constitute an impeachable offense, what would?

 

[Vic]

Probably. I don't think it's an impeachable offense though. I think the Biden thing definitely deserves an investigation.

If you don't think what Trump did was wrong, then what you might think Biden may have done can't be wrong either, as they could be considered similar offenses. So what would be the point of a Biden investigation unless you believe in different rules for different people?
Oh wait.. that is your point, isn't it? That there should be different rules and different law for different people, right? Conveniently based in favor of your feels and partisan, of course.

 

[HomerJS]

Probably. I don't think it's an impeachable offense though.

So you would be cool if Obama held up aid to Israel until the Mossad got him a copy of Trump's pee tape?

So you would be cool if a future President held up aid to a state unless that Governor announces an investigation on a political opponent from that state?

U cool with that precedent?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

If you don't think what Trump did was wrong, then what you might think Biden may have done can't be wrong either, as they're basically the same offense.

Not even close. Not even in the same realm of reality. Don't legitimize that train of thought.

 

[Vic]

Abusing foreign policy to pressure countries into helping your reelection campaign is the definition of an impeachable offense. It's misusing the highest public office for personal gain.

Tell me, if that doesn't constitute an impeachable offense, what would?

It would be an impeachable offense if a similar crime, or even a lesser one, had been committed by a Democrat.
Don't overanalyze it, because it really is that simple. Several Senate Republicans have already said as much.

 

[Vic]

Not even close. Not even in the same realm of reality. Don't legitimize that train of thought.

I agree, I was simply making a point for him. I'll edit that post to make the verbiage more hypothetical.

 

[Jhhnn]

It does bring up a question, though... why would Romney even bother voting to Impeach to impeach the president, knowing that the effort was doomed to failure even before it got to the Senate?

Sure, he just gained some temporary respect from Democrats and moderates, but those Democrats still aren't going to vote for him come reelection time because they likely still disagree with everything else he stands for. He's really just alienating himself from his supporters, which might come back to haunt him someday.

It was an act of conscience. Sometimes it's just that simple.

Watch Mitt Romney's emotional explanation of his vote to convict - CNN Video

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) explained to the Senate why he plans to vote to convict President Trump in the Senate impeachment trial, calling Trump's actions "an appalling abuse of public trust."

www.cnn.com

 

[blackangst1]

You're better propagandized than I first imagined. The shitshow in the House was entirely GOP antics & lies. Your contrived & maudlin indignation is duly noted, in any case.

Um....I didn't say the GOP didn't play a part in that shit show. Glad you make stuff up to form opinions though.

 

[blackangst1]

I find it odd you require a standard of behavior of others you don't require of Trump.

Which side of your mouth wishes to address that?

What? I was commenting specifically on the preschool daycare known as the current Democratic party.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

What? I was commenting specifically on the preschool daycare known as the current Democratic party.

Are you upset because they stood up for what was right, or because they're scooping up former Republican voters by the thousands?

Inquiring minds want to know!

 

[Jhhnn]

Um....I didn't say the GOP didn't play a part in that shit show. Glad you make stuff up to form opinions though.

The GOP was the shitshow & we both know it. The best part was GOP reps raising Hell outside the hearing room who were welcome to participate in the hearing. There were other Republicans inside the room at the time, doing their jobs, asking questions & participating in the interviews instead of lying & grandstanding outside. They raised Hell about the committees issuing subpoenas rather than the full body, even though they themselves had changed the rules to allow it when they were the majority. You can't make this stuff up, unless you're a Republican.