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[Hayabusa Rider]

Yeah but Pence was elected on the same ticket, you're not really negating the election if the guy who was also elected with Trump takes over imo.

Pence can be impeached as well, but as Trump says "there will be an impeachment backlash at the box office".

 

[VRAMdemon]

Please. Failure to deliver the writ to the Senate in rather short order just bolsters the argument that It's a weak case Dems are afraid to advance, that it's all political, that it's not because Dems feel an urgent moral obligation to cleanse the office of the criminal now occupying it.

Meh..."please" back at ya. They should hold the articles until McConnell spells out he has intentions for a real impartial and fair trail. McConnell and Graham have miscalculated when they publicly announced their intent to rig the Senate trial. Polls show 71% of people in this country want witnesses to be called. There are a lot of Republicans who are included in that figure.

It's hard for the other side to scream, "gamesmanship!" when their Senate Majority Leader and the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee have both come out and said they do not intend to be impartial jurors or provide a fair trial on the facts, will not even allow the House to call witnesses.

Republicans will only attack the impeachment process. The have no exonerating facts, and they're not permitted in Trump's Republican party if they imply that he did anything wrong, not even a little bit. This is their chosen path.

 

[nakedfrog]

It's very easy, everybody:

Trump can prove his innocence in court with public testimony. His closest advisers and all of those involved in the "not a crime" can do so as well.

But Trump won't do it. It's all he needs to do to exonerate himself, but he won't do it. The only one stopping this is himself and Mitch. That's it. No one else. The House has maintained an open seat, all along, for Trump to exonerate himself.

Why doesn't a single GOP ass-licker on these boards ever ask the simplest fucking question: why won't Trump do the one thing he can do to prove that he did not crime? Why?

Wouldn't that be pretty damaging to the Democrats if they testified and proved innocence?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Wouldn't that be pretty damaging to the Democrats if they testified and proved innocence?

In some alternate reality where up is down, left is right, and 'please investigate my political opponent' turns out to mean 'i got you some KFC', yeah, that'd be bad for Democrats.

Not seeing how that would happen in our reality.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Sorry, while that may be, your posts and others here reek of desperation, of people who know they are losing the battle. The democrats have been plotting to remove this president since day one. The media have been working in collusion with them, becoming an arm of the Democratic party, and activists toward that end. People like you have bought right in. The result is irreparable damage and division. Pelosi has said they have been working on this for 2 1/2 years, so this never was about Ukraine, but about hate for this president and their quest to destroy the presidency. This has been a highly organized coup attempt. I hope everyone involved gets their just desserts.

Per the bolded...He should have been impeached "from day one"...His refusal to divest from his businesses is is a blatant FU to the constitution. emoluments clause and all. Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 8.

 

[Stryke1983]

It's insane that there are still people calling this a sham. So far there is written, recorded and/or direct evidence from Trump's mouth that he has done the following:

1. Abused position to try and get a foreign power to interfere in a US election for his own personal gain.
2. Abused position in order to promote his own businesses.
3. Deliberately directed taxpayer funds to his own businesses.
4. Obstructed the course of justice in multiple investigations.

All of those are public knowledge and well documented. Any one of them justifies impeachment and removal from office.

In addition to that you've got his mental instability, flagrant dishonesty and disregard of basic security measures. All of which are also grounds for impeachment but are not as clear cut as the first four things. Can you imagine being so dishonest or deluded that you would be willing to pretend all of that was either fake or simply OK?

 

[NWRMidnight]

None of the cases are about impeachment, they are about subpoena powers. The courts have jurisdiction over whether subpoenas are valid or not but the actual process of impeachment is entirely outside of their authority.

Wait, Subpoena's that are for impeachment investigation is not about impeachment? I do believe Subpoena's are a main part of the impeachment process. Kind of hard to investigate and gather facts which is part of the impeachment without it.

If the SCOTUS says they don't have subpoena powers, that would make it impossible to investigate, gather facts, and impeach. I would consider that interference.

Btw, the cases in the courts are not all about subpeona powers.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Wait, Subpoena's that are for impeachment investigation is not about impeachment? I do believe Subpoena's are a main part of the impeachment process. Kind of hard to investigate and gather facts which is part of the impeachment without it.

If the SCOTUS says they don't have subpoena powers, that would make it impossible to investigate, gather facts, and impeach. I would consider that interference.

Btw, the cases in the courts are not all about subpeona powers.

You don't have to subpoena if everyone talks to congress willingly, or if there's nobody specifically to subpoena. Remember, that's the 'drag them to congress' method after they fail to respond to 'please come to congress'.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's very easy, everybody:

Trump can prove his innocence in court with public testimony. His closest advisers and all of those involved in the "not a crime" can do so as well.

But Trump won't do it. It's all he needs to do to exonerate himself, but he won't do it. The only one stopping this is himself and Mitch. That's it. No one else. The House has maintained an open seat, all along, for Trump to exonerate himself.

Why doesn't a single GOP ass-licker on these boards ever ask the simplest fucking question: why won't Trump do the one thing he can do to prove that he did not crime? Why?

Because Trump messed with their minds. His Russian friends helped. It was easy, considering their headsets were pretty well scrambled by decades of GOP culture war mind rot.

 

[fskimospy]

Wait, Subpoena's that are for impeachment investigation is not about impeachment? I do believe Subpoena's are a main part of the impeachment process. Kind of hard to investigate and gather facts which is part of the impeachment without it.

If the SCOTUS says they don't have subpoena powers, that would make it impossible to investigate, gather facts, and impeach. I would consider that interference.

While I get what you mean it is a different point than what I was making. The actual process of impeachment is immune from judicial review. For example if the House impeached Trump for having stupid hair there would be nothing SCOTUS could do about it. As far as their subpoena powers go though while they might be used in an impeachment they are still a separate power.

Although the fact that these cases are even in court at all is absurd. Congress' subpoena power is incredibly broad.

Btw, the cases in the courts are not all about subpeona powers.

Which ones are not?

 

[zinfamous]

Remember what

You are in trouble now.

I couldn't help myself

(but I did choose not to break the page, so I'm not a total jerk)

 

[zinfamous]

Wouldn't that be pretty damaging to the Democrats if they testified and proved innocence?

It would! They have no reason not to, if the worst that they believe can happen to them is nothing, and the best is that Democrats are forever embarrassed.

...how does one get this thinking into the minds of the administration?

How????

 

[compuwiz1]

Do some of you guys still believe in the Russia collusion conspiracy?

There is an old saying - always accuse the other side of that which you are doing yourself. It is practically in the DNA of being a democrat. Conspire to bring the other side down. Accuse the other side of doing what you ARE doing. When caught, divert attention away from it. When nailed, continue to lie about it. Here is the truth about Ukraine... If people really knew the ways Pelosi, Bidens and perhaps Obama's were making money out of Ukraine, it would make Trump's phone call about as serious as a kid eating an ice cream bar in the living room, instead of at the kitchen table. There may be a crime, but not from Trump, at least not on Ukraine. Let's look at those other folks.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Do some of you guys still believe in the Russia collusion conspiracy?

There is an old saying - always accuse the other side of that which you are doing yourself. It is practically in the DNA of being a democrat. Conspire to bring the other side down. Accuse the other side of doing what you ARE doing. When caught, divert attention away from it. When nailed, continue to lie about it. Here is the truth about Ukraine... If people really knew the ways Pelosi, Bidens and perhaps Obama's were making money out of Ukraine, it would make Trump's phone call about as serious as a kid eating an ice cream bar in the living room, instead of at the kitchen table. There may be a crime, but not from Trump, at least not on Ukraine. Let's look at those other folks.

Oh please, if you think crimes have been committed, feel free to contact your representative and have them bring it up. Maybe they can knock that out next time they control the House, Senate, and Presidency.

 

[hal2kilo]

Do some of you guys still believe in the Russia collusion conspiracy?

There is an old saying - always accuse the other side of that which you are doing yourself. It is practically in the DNA of being a democrat. Conspire to bring the other side down. Accuse the other side of doing what you ARE doing. When caught, divert attention away from it. When nailed, continue to lie about it. Here is the truth about Ukraine... If people really knew the ways Pelosi, Bidens and perhaps Obama's were making money out of Ukraine, it would make Trump's phone call about as serious as a kid eating an ice cream bar in the living room, instead of at the kitchen table. There may be a crime, but not from Trump, at least not on Ukraine. Let's look at those other folks.

Do you still believe in the delusion you just posted.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Do some of you guys still believe in the Russia collusion conspiracy?

There is an old saying - always accuse the other side of that which you are doing yourself. It is practically in the DNA of being a democrat. Conspire to bring the other side down. Accuse the other side of doing what you ARE doing. When caught, divert attention away from it. When nailed, continue to lie about it. Here is the truth about Ukraine... If people really knew the ways Pelosi, Bidens and perhaps Obama's were making money out of Ukraine, it would make Trump's phone call about as serious as a kid eating an ice cream bar in the living room, instead of at the kitchen table. There may be a crime, but not from Trump, at least not on Ukraine. Let's look at those other folks.

Well, that's specious and wholly a fiction. Well played with an off the rails post. Perhaps not.

Trump damned himself, he begged for impeachment with his actions. Blame him for your discomfort.


If people really knew the ways Pelosi, Bidens and perhaps Obama's were making money out of Ukraine- How much money did they make? Where is your data? Your documents, any proof? There is none to be had.

Take a break from this place and get your head together as there is no sanity to be found in your post- sanity being defined as knowing fact from fantasy.

Seriously take a break.

 

[compuwiz1]

Do you still believe in the delusion you just posted.

Does Pelosi's son, or has Pelosi's son made money in Ukraine?
What about Biden's?
So you think these kids were just plucked out of the blue for those jobs? Someone always pays when they want access. I believe, in time, it will be proven that the real Quid Pro Quo was committed by the Pelosis and Bidens. This is some of what this impeachment is all about, a nipping in the bud before things get real for any of them.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Which ones are not?

I appears, I was incorrect, and every case is tied to a subpoena in one form or another.

 

[Jhhnn]

Meh..."please" back at ya. They should hold the articles until McConnell spells out he has intentions for a real impartial and fair trail. McConnell and Graham have miscalculated when they publicly announced their intent to rig the Senate trial. Polls show 71% of people in this country want witnesses to be called. There are a lot of Republicans who are included in that figure.

It's hard for the other side to scream, "gamesmanship!" when their Senate Majority Leader and the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee have both come out and said they do not intend to be impartial jurors or provide a fair trial on the facts, will not even allow the House to call witnesses.

Republicans will only attack the impeachment process. The have no exonerating facts, and they're not permitted in Trump's Republican party if they imply that he did anything wrong, not even a little bit. This is their chosen path.

McConnell isn't compelled to do anything until the writ is delivered to him. He can out wait the Dems. He has the Power. To allow witnesses would be to throw Trump to the wolves. Failure to do so would reveal the trial as a sham. The latter obviously scares him less than the former. Trump is a lot more popular in Kentucky than he is.

 

[compuwiz1]

Well, that's specious and wholly a fiction. Well played with an off the rails post. Perhaps not.

Trump damned himself, he begged for impeachment with his actions. Blame him for your discomfort.


If people really knew the ways Pelosi, Bidens and perhaps Obama's were making money out of Ukraine- How much money did they make? Where is your data? Your documents, any proof? There is none to be had.

Take a break from this place and get your head together as there is no sanity to be found in your post- sanity being defined as knowing fact from fantasy.

Seriously take a break.

Like you have any right to tell me what to do. lol

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Does Pelosi's son, or has Pelosi's son made money in Ukraine?
What about Biden's?
So you think these kids were just plucked out of the blue for those jobs? Someone always pays when they want access. I believe, in time, it will be proven that the real Quid Pro Quo was committed by the Pelosis and Bidens. This is some of what this impeachment is all about, a nipping in the bud before things get real for any of them.

Bring it up to your representative, let it get investigated, just like Trump was. Your comments have nothing to do with this impeachment of Trump.

 

[compuwiz1]

Bring it up to your representative, let it get investigated, just like Trump was. Your comments have nothing to do with this impeachment of Trump.

Actually, they do. They reveal some possible motive for wanting Trump gone. Swamp Queen insists on it happening.

 

[Jhhnn]

Do you still believe in the delusion you just posted.

It's desperate diversion. It has nothing to do with the articles of impeachment passed by the House. Zero, zip, nada, nothing, nyet.

 

[Jhhnn]

Actually, they do. They reveal some possible motive for wanting Trump gone. Swamp Queen insists on it happening.

Nice conspiracy theory.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Actually, they do. They reveal some possible motive for wanting Trump gone. Swamp Queen insists on it happening.

Claims without any evidence are meaningless, and attempting to build a motive from it is disingenuous at best, and an intentional lie at worst. You know this, so knock it off.