Info PSA- Public impeachments start today- UPDATE 2/5/2020- Trump wins.

[JSt0rm]

I thought that was obvious and a given at this point

is being owned constantly a tiring affair or is it just your kink?

 

[vi edit]

Projectors gonna project. I had to turn off most of yesterday. I only had audio but when (insert random 50+ year old grumpy ass white man (R)) asked the professors who they voted for I wanted to punch my screen. The GOP has no defense of the indefensible. Now it's just character assassination and shit up the entire process.

Have fun going down in history as flunkies to this shitstain of administration. You tied your self to this boat. Sink with it.

 

[GobBluth]

Here is someone elses' opinion that I agree with so I'm going to pass it off as my own insight because, this is the Internet; I can have whatever information I want and do what I want with it. Right? Right???

My prediction:
Because Dems failed to use the impeachment hearings to shift public opinion in any meaningful way, the House will impeach but it'll be close, and the Senate will acquit with a couple blue dog Senators (ex. Joe Manchin) either abstaining or voting against conviction.
Dems really need to figure out their messaging machine because the GOP is absolutely steamrolling them in this department. Any damning testimony in the hearings was usually negated by Fox/Trump spreading soundbites of Congresspeople calling the impeachment a scam, coup, etc.
Dems need to take social media lessons from AOC because it's painfully obvious she's the only one who actually understands what a fucking goldmine it is for marketing/messaging.

 

[interchange]

Absolute immunity is not a legal defense. Trump’s entire and only defense is the partisan intent of these proceedings and he is making that case to the electorate. His supporters already buy that argument.

In this case, it seems to me this statement indicates you believe that, based purely on the merits of obstruction of the impeachment inquiry, Trump is guilty and should be removed from office.

 

[ivwshane]

Here is someone elses' opinion that I agree with so I'm going to pass it off as my own insight because, this is the Internet; I can have whatever information I want and do what I want with it. Right? Right???

My prediction:
Because Dems failed to use the impeachment hearings to shift public opinion in any meaningful way, the House will impeach but it'll be close, and the Senate will acquit with a couple blue dog Senators (ex. Joe Manchin) either abstaining or voting against conviction.
Dems really need to figure out their messaging machine because the GOP is absolutely steamrolling them in this department. Any damning testimony in the hearings was usually negated by Fox/Trump spreading soundbites of Congresspeople calling the impeachment a scam, coup, etc.
Dems need to take social media lessons from AOC because it's painfully obvious she's the only one who actually understands what a fucking goldmine it is for marketing/messaging.

Losing is all part of the plan. If republicans can’t put the country before their party then it’s up to the rest of the rational Americans to do their duty and vote them and trump out of office. It will get out the view like never before.

 

[vi edit]

The senate will never convict. We've long passed independent thought and rational decisions. It's nothing but tribal survival now. R's have the numbers in the Senate. The end. The only consolation is that we had at least 1/2 of 1/3 of our government practicing oversight and following their elected duties to hold the President accountable.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I noticed "nominated" Donald Trump; not "elected."

I suppose you are still in the camp of: those that didn't vote for him are to blame for his election?

Sorry, not interested in a game of semantics

 

[VRAMdemon]

Jim Jordan or some other GOP fuckhead yesterday says "we all know that all the democrats are just going to vote to impeach, this was a foregone conclusion!"

And a conservative reporter asks Pelosi if this is all just because she "hates" Trump.

Well gee, we all know that GOP will all vote against impeachment. It's a foregone conclusion. And we all know that Trump and the GOP hate the democrats. So what are we to make of all these feelings? Who's being more partisan? Or is it just a stalemate and we should just throw up our hands?

Fortunately, with both parties voting in lockstep, there is still a way to tell who is being more partisan. Look at the goddamn facts. Whichever party is voting against the grain of the evidence is probably the one who's truly being partisan.

But they want to skip that step and go right on to accusing the dems of bias. This has been their MO all along. From Strok and Paige on down. It's as if Trump being such a detestable shitbag is their best defense. See, they all hate Trump for being such a scumbag, so we want you to ignore the fact that him being such a scumbag means he actually doing scumbaggy things which causes people to hate him.

Yeah..people like Page, Comey et al are not the only long time employee or ex employee who views the DoJ as having abandoned its principles by virtue of getting sucked into the vortex of conspiracy theory politics, abandoned its principles of truth and independence and not being able to fulfill the critical obligation that they have to speak truth to power.

Trump's administration and the GOP have already seriously undermined the mission within the Department - the arrival of Bill Barr, who has only accelerated the politicization of the DoJ. It's initially the people at the top who get pushed out of the way by an authoritarian, but in this sort of highly toxic environment, the only ones who can thrive and survive, are the ones who believe they have something to gain from him personally. So they sell out.

The whistle blowers who appeared at the impeachment hearings over a week ago were what the country needed. But now their careers are pretty much over, and they've become publicly vilified by about half the country. And in the end, probably nothing will happen to Trump. They know it. And more importantly, so do hundreds or thousands of other civil servants who have observed his corruption and law breaking up close.

This is how a government like that in Russia operates. It's understood that crime pays. The Republicans are trying to import their type of system here.

 

[fskimospy]

Here is someone elses' opinion that I agree with so I'm going to pass it off as my own insight because, this is the Internet; I can have whatever information I want and do what I want with it. Right? Right???

My prediction:
Because Dems failed to use the impeachment hearings to shift public opinion in any meaningful way, the House will impeach but it'll be close, and the Senate will acquit with a couple blue dog Senators (ex. Joe Manchin) either abstaining or voting against conviction.
Dems really need to figure out their messaging machine because the GOP is absolutely steamrolling them in this department. Any damning testimony in the hearings was usually negated by Fox/Trump spreading soundbites of Congresspeople calling the impeachment a scam, coup, etc.
Dems need to take social media lessons from AOC because it's painfully obvious she's the only one who actually understands what a fucking goldmine it is for marketing/messaging.

The chances of Trump being convicted in the Senate were always near-zero. To get to 67 senators voting to remove him you're going to need about 20 Republican senators. I challenge you to come up with a list that would seem even remotely plausible.

The goal here has always been this in my opinion:

1) Do their duty to the Constitution and attempt to remove a criminal from the presidency. This was the right thing to do for America regardless of how the vote in the Senate goes.
2) Damage Republicans in moderate districts/states by forcing them to go on the record supporting Trump specifically.
3) Damage Trump for 2020 by publicly showing how he's a criminal.

I think they've done okay on those goals so far.

 

[ivwshane]

In this case, it seems to me this statement indicates you believe that, based purely on the merits of obstruction of the impeachment inquiry, Trump is guilty and should be removed from office.

He’s conflicted because on one hand he knows how bad trump is and on the other hand trump supports all the same policies he does. So his posts come off as shallow/hallow convictions or from the perspective of a fence sitter. What he does know and truly believes is that democrats are just as bad. He’s the OG “both sides” guy on this site.

 

[woolfe9998]

Here is someone elses' opinion that I agree with so I'm going to pass it off as my own insight because, this is the Internet; I can have whatever information I want and do what I want with it. Right? Right???

My prediction:
Because Dems failed to use the impeachment hearings to shift public opinion in any meaningful way, the House will impeach but it'll be close, and the Senate will acquit with a couple blue dog Senators (ex. Joe Manchin) either abstaining or voting against conviction.
Dems really need to figure out their messaging machine because the GOP is absolutely steamrolling them in this department. Any damning testimony in the hearings was usually negated by Fox/Trump spreading soundbites of Congresspeople calling the impeachment a scam, coup, etc.
Dems need to take social media lessons from AOC because it's painfully obvious she's the only one who actually understands what a fucking goldmine it is for marketing/messaging.

I don't think this impeachment proceeding is moving the needle on Trump's approvals one way or the other. I've been saying all along that the increase in support for impeachment was just people who already didn't like Trump getting on board with impeachment once it was underway.

Yet I also see no evidence that it's hurting the dems either. If it were, we'd know it by now.

If we work off the theory that all this will do is fire up both voting bases, then the dems stand to gain more from that since they have a larger base with a lower average turnout. So for now, my assumption is that the net effect will be anything from neutral to slightly positive for the dems.

 

[GobBluth]

The senate will never convict. We've long passed independent thought and rational decisions. It's nothing but tribal survival now. R's have the numbers in the Senate. The end. The only consolation is that we had at least 1/2 of 1/3 of our government practicing oversight and following their elected duties to hold the President accountable.

Is that what they were actually doing though, practicing oversight and following elected duties? Isn't it possible they were just tired of being embarrassed by this fucking neanderthal and started down the road to impeachment?

 

[Starbuck1975]

is being owned constantly a tiring affair or is it just your kink?

Owned by who? You? ROFLMAO.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I wonder if I use the search function if I can't find one or more posts by you saying that Democrats are partly to blame for Republicans nominating Trump because they have been so mean to conservatives, etc. over the years. I think the odds I can are pretty good.

You will be wildly successful, because my opinions are not myopic or binary.

 

[vi edit]

Is that what they were actually doing though, practicing oversight and following elected duties? Isn't it possible they were just tired of being embarrassed by this fucking neanderthal and started down the road to impeachment?

If a president isn't put through the impeachment process for shaking down a foreign government that is literally at war with a country that is actively trying to undermine our democratic process for his own political gain...what is the point of even having an impeachment process?

 

[ewdotson]

The chances of Trump being convicted in the Senate were always near-zero. To get to 67 senators voting to remove him you're going to need about 20 Republican senators. I challenge you to come up with a list that would seem even remotely plausible.

The goal here has always been this in my opinion:

1) Do their duty to the Constitution and attempt to remove a criminal from the presidency. This was the right thing to do for America regardless of how the vote in the Senate goes.
2) Damage Republicans in moderate districts/states by forcing them to go on the record supporting Trump specifically.
3) Damage Trump for 2020 by publicly showing how he's a criminal.

I think they've done okay on those goals so far.

Don't forget shining a light on Trump's attempts at election meddling and making them more difficult going forward. He's made it very clear that he'll cheat in any way that he thinks he can get away with for 2020. I have to assume that that's played a factor in how quickly this has been rolling.

 

[JSt0rm]

Owner by who? You? ROFLMAO.

There's a thing they call sleep, it's when you do nothing and it's very not productive with regards to work. You sit there and do nothing and in some cases you maybe move, you turn, you twist. You do the moves but you're not really moving, so I hate that. Don't we, folks? So I don't sleep.

There are other things, obviously. When you sleep is when he comes, of course, when your Father comes and he's melting and he looks at you and silently screams, we all know about that, he extends his hand and it touches you and you know he's very angry, incredibly angry. And you make a perfect phone call and you tell him that, of course, but it's not perfect and it's never enough for him. There are others, too, you see the woman with the hair, the red child, all of them. They show up when you're sleeping and it's incredibly bad, really terrible stuff, you wake up screaming in some cases and your wife, OR PROSTITUTE, but they turn to you and ask "SIR, What happened there?" and you realize you've let.... there's a little something extra in the bed, okay?

But you do this when you sleep so I'm not sleeping and it's doing a lot. Ordinary people sleep maybe 7, 11 hours a day. That's how they named the place. But I? Or me? Sleeping is not.... not a huge fan, because of the things. So I sleep 3 hours or less, enough that they can't find me. And it's doing incredible things with my mind, or brain as some say it. I'm much more productive and I'm able to sign many bills while others are sleeping. While the red child is tearing up the wallpaper I'm signing the bills in some cases.

 

[ivwshane]

If a president isn't put through the impeachment process for shaking down a foreign government that is literally at war with a country that is actively trying to undermine our democratic process for his own political gain...what is the point of even having an impeachment process?

Let’s make it even easier and clearer: if a president isn’t impeached for asking a foreign government to meddle in our election, for his been benefit, then what’s the point of impeachment? If a president can abuse his power to help ensure his re-election then our democracy is dead.

 

[GobBluth]

If a president isn't put through the impeachment process for shaking down a foreign government that is literally at war with a country that is actively trying to undermine our democratic process for his own political gain...what is the point of even having an impeachment process?

Yup 100% on board with you there. I'm just saying, shadier things have happened both in the Obama administration, and especially in the Bush administration. Neither of which got a sniff of the impeachment process. So, I'm wondering how much of it was checks and balances, and how much of it was "This guy is a super douche, and we have a sliver of evidence, lets nail him."

 

[ivwshane]

Yup 100% on board with you there. I'm just saying, shadier things have happened both in the Obama administration, and especially in the Bush administration. Neither of wish got a sniff of the impeachment process. So, I'm wondering how much of it was checks and balances, and how much of it was "This guy is a super douche, and we have a sliver of evidence, lets nail him."

Lol shadier things happened under Obama? Do tell.

There also isn’t a “sliver of evidence”, there is a Shit ton. It’s just that the evidence is so blatant and obvious that it’s hard to believe.

 

[fskimospy]

Yup 100% on board with you there. I'm just saying, shadier things have happened both in the Obama administration, and especially in the Bush administration. Neither of wish got a sniff of the impeachment process. So, I'm wondering how much of it was checks and balances, and how much of it was "This guy is a super douche, and we have a sliver of evidence, lets nail him."

Uhmm, shadier stuff most certainly did not happen in the Obama administration. What events during Obama or Bush are you thinking of?

This is arguably the most corrupt scheme in the history of the United States.

Also as ivwshane said the evidence of Trump's guilt here is absolutely overwhelming. It's an open and shut case.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Yup 100% on board with you there. I'm just saying, shadier things have happened both in the Obama administration, and especially in the Bush administration. Neither of which got a sniff of the impeachment process. So, I'm wondering how much of it was checks and balances, and how much of it was "This guy is a super douche, and we have a sliver of evidence, lets nail him."

Shadier than manipulation of the US election process? Do tell.

 

[thilanliyan]

nm

 

[dainthomas]

Yup 100% on board with you there. I'm just saying, shadier things have happened both in the Obama administration, and especially in the Bush administration. Neither of which got a sniff of the impeachment process. So, I'm wondering how much of it was checks and balances, and how much of it was "This guy is a super douche, and we have a sliver of evidence, lets nail him."

That sliver falls on your car, it'll be smashed into the dirt.

What corrupt self enriching/benefitting actions did Obama take while in office? Genuinely curious, since the only bad things I recall from his administration resulted from errors in judgement.

 

[vi edit]

Seriously, this circle of fuckery needs to distilled down into easy to digest crayon drawings for the uninitiated.

Russia invades Ukraine
Trump announces his run
Russia amps up disinformation and meddles in US election heavily favoring Trump campaign
Trump continues to kiss Putin's ass
2020 democratic primary season kicks off and Biden is front runner
Congress approves 400 million for military aide for Ukraine to fend off Russia
Trump intervenes and extorts a new political leader of Ukraine into making shit up about Biden/Biden's family to release the funds
.....Whistleblower
Someone drops a Chalupa
then here we are today

Simply put, our president who was helped by Russia to get elected, tried to help Russia by blackmailing a tiny country and forcing them to take the blame for Russia's election meddling while ACTUALLY meddling in our own upcoming election.