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[GobBluth]

Lol shadier things happened under Obama? Do tell.

There also isn’t a “sliver of evidence”, there is a Shit ton. It’s just that the evidence is so blatant and obvious that it’s hard to believe.

You don't remember the IRS meddling into political opponents that was started, and protected, by his (Obama's)administration? How's about him (Obama) paying ransoms to the Iranian government and lying about it? How about the entire global surveillance program that magically became an inter-continental spying mechanism against law abiding Americans? Remember warrant-less wiretapping? Thank you President Bush.

But no, suddenly under the guise of due diligence and "elected duties" we're concerned about "The Apprentice" trying to grease a fellow TV dinner president for Joe Biden's google search history?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The chances of Trump being convicted in the Senate were always near-zero. To get to 67 senators voting to remove him you're going to need about 20 Republican senators. I challenge you to come up with a list that would seem even remotely plausible.

The goal here has always been this in my opinion:

1) Do their duty to the Constitution and attempt to remove a criminal from the presidency. This was the right thing to do for America regardless of how the vote in the Senate goes.
2) Damage Republicans in moderate districts/states by forcing them to go on the record supporting Trump specifically.
3) Damage Trump for 2020 by publicly showing how he's a criminal.

I think they've done okay on those goals so far.

I am still hoping Moscow Mitch gets tired of the President and does a secret vote on impeachment

 

[GobBluth]

Uhmm, shadier stuff most certainly did not happen in the Obama administration. What events during Obama or Bush are you thinking of?

This is arguably the most corrupt scheme in the history of the United States.

Also as ivwshane said the evidence of Trump's guilt here is absolutely overwhelming. It's an open and shut case.

You are a fool if you believe this is the worst corruption of executive power in the history of the US. An absolute fool.

 

[vi edit]

You are a fool if you believe this is the worst corruption of executive power in the history of the US. An absolute fool.

It's not the worst, but one of the stupidest. Which should draw its own sort of heightened admonishment.

 

[fskimospy]

You don't remember the IRS meddling into political opponents that was started, and protected, by his (Obama's)administration?

This literally never happened and is a right wing conspiracy theory.

IRS targeting controversy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

How's about him (Obama) paying ransoms to the Iranian government and lying about it?

This also literally never happened.

What sort of conspiracy theory nonsense are you reading?

How about the entire global surveillance program that magically became an inter-continental spying mechanism against law abiding Americans? Remember warrant-less wiretapping? Thank you President Bush.

I agree that warrantless wiretapping violated the Constitution but the courts disagreed. How are you going to impeach someone for doing something that the courts let them do?

But no, suddenly under the guise of due diligence and "elected duties" we're concerned about "The Apprentice" trying to grease a fellow TV dinner president for Joe Biden's google search history?

Trump is attempting to illegally extort foreign leaders using public money to corruptly aid him in winning the next election. This is an absolutely massive abuse of power and it undermines the basic tenets of democracy.

 

[fskimospy]

You are a fool if you believe this is the worst corruption of executive power in the history of the US. An absolute fool.

If you would like to name another one you think is worse I'm open to hearing it.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You are a fool if you believe this is the worst corruption of executive power in the history of the US. An absolute fool.

If you would like to name another one you think is worse I'm open to hearing it.

And please bear in mind it needs to be something that actually happened. Citations from reputable sources please. That means no Brietbart, Fox News, or random youtubers.

 

[GobBluth]

This literally never happened and is a right wing conspiracy theory.

IRS targeting controversy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This also literally never happened.

What sort of conspiracy theory nonsense are you reading?



I agree that warrantless wiretapping violated the Constitution but the courts disagreed. How are you going to impeach someone for doing something that the courts let them do?



Trump is attempting to illegally extort foreign leaders using public money to corruptly aid him in winning the next election. This is an absolutely massive abuse of power and it undermines the basic tenets of democracy.

Did you just use Wikipedia in an attempt to source your way out of an argument?

IRS targeting happened.

October 26, 2017 - The Justice Department announces that it has settled multiple lawsuits over the IRS targeting Scandal. In a statement, Attorney General Jeff Sessions says it was "clear" that the IRS was "using inappropriate criteria to screen applications" for tax-exempt status under the Obama administration from tea party or conservative groups.

Sessions said that, not me.

 

[ivwshane]

You don't remember the IRS meddling into political opponents that was started, and protected, by his (Obama's)administration? How's about him (Obama) paying ransoms to the Iranian government and lying about it? How about the entire global surveillance program that magically became an inter-continental spying mechanism against law abiding Americans? Remember warrant-less wiretapping? Thank you President Bush.

But no, suddenly under the guise of due diligence and "elected duties" we're concerned about "The Apprentice" trying to grease a fellow TV dinner president for Joe Biden's google search history?

I figured you’d drop some fox talking points. I know a troll when I see one.

I remember the IRS “scandal” very well, you apparently do not. Just to recap; the IRS, in order to do their duty of oversight of the use of 501c3’s created a database of “non profits” and used their name to look into them to ensure that a “majority of their work” was not political in nature. This database covered both democrat and republican non profits. The republicans successfully turned it into a scandal and further weakened the IRS’s ability to do it’s job and created a false narrative of which poorly informed people regurgitated.

The “Iranian money” scandal is another faux scandal pushed to the public but republicans who have absolute contempt for the intelligence of their supporters. But to recap: in the 70’s (it might have been earlier), Iran purchased arms from the US, we never delivered those arms due to politics. We have since owed them their money back. An international judge was going to rule in Iran’s favor and we were going to owe the initial amount purchased plus interest. Obama headed off the ruling by giving the Iranians their money back at a much lower reduced price than we would have otherwise paid.

As for the claims against bush, I don’t care enough to defend a shitty president who has been out done in shittiness by the current president.

 

[ivwshane]

You are a fool if you believe this is the worst corruption of executive power in the history of the US. An absolute fool.

I wouldn’t be calling anyone a fool after you just posted bull shit conspiracy theories.

 

[GobBluth]

Regardless, you're missing the point.

I'm not saying that Trump is or is not worse than Obama or Bush or any other corrupt administration. What I'm saying is, suddenly we (Americans) care, because he is a plastic, ignorant, made-for-TV President. Because we love this shit. we LOOOOOOVE scandal. An American loves nothing more than seeing some politician go to jail for doing some shady stuff. We don't give a rats ass about democracy and we haven't for decades. If we did, we would have done something then! Back when warrentless wiretapping got started we would have said, wait, hold the fucking phone, you're gonna do what!?

But suddenly now.. now we care and now we are politically plugged in. Now we know ALLLL about foreign policy.

 

[vi edit]

At this juncture, we're just a few Republican talking points away from the Chewbacca defense.

 

[ivwshane]

Did you just use Wikipedia in an attempt to source your way out of an argument?

IRS targeting happened.

October 26, 2017 - The Justice Department announces that it has settled multiple lawsuits over the IRS targeting Scandal. In a statement, Attorney General Jeff Sessions says it was "clear" that the IRS was "using inappropriate criteria to screen applications" for tax-exempt status under the Obama administration from tea party or conservative groups.

Sessions said that, not me.

Sessions, a trump sycophant? Lol!

 

[UNCjigga]

Did you just use Wikipedia in an attempt to source your way out of an argument?

IRS targeting happened.

October 26, 2017 - The Justice Department announces that it has settled multiple lawsuits over the IRS targeting Scandal. In a statement, Attorney General Jeff Sessions says it was "clear" that the IRS was "using inappropriate criteria to screen applications" for tax-exempt status under the Obama administration from tea party or conservative groups.

Sessions said that, not me.

No, there was no “targeting”. Any additional screening of certain tax exempt entities affected liberal and conservative organizations alike.

Those “settlements” you speak of included no admission of any wrongdoing nor any compensation to the plaintiffs, not even legal fees. Plaintiffs withdrew their complaints because the IG report was pretty conclusive that their allegations had no merit.

You think Sessions is a reliable source of truth?? This should be the only source you need:

https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2017reports/201710054fr.pdf

 

[ivwshane]

Regardless, you're missing the point.

I'm not saying that Trump is or is not worse than Obama or Bush or any other corrupt administration. What I'm saying is, suddenly we (Americans) care, because he is a plastic, ignorant, made-for-TV President. Because we love this shit. we LOOOOOOVE scandal. An American loves nothing more than seeing some politician go to jail for doing some shady stuff. We don't give a rats ass about democracy and we haven't for decades. If we did, we would have done something then! Back when warrentless wiretapping got started we would have said, wait, hold the fucking phone, you're gonna do what!?

But suddenly now.. now we care and now we are politically plugged in. Now we know ALLLL about foreign policy.

No, we’ve always cared we just didn’t let bull shit conspiracies dictate our feelings or let partisan hacks and propaganda networks shit in our skulls and tell us what to think. Apparently you are projecting.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Regardless, you're missing the point.

You sure? Pretty sure only one person here is missing the point. You've been gaslit by Conservative propaganda

I'm not saying that Trump is or is not worse than Obama or Bush or any other corrupt administration.

You just said that, right here, why are you lying?:

I'm just saying, shadier things have happened both in the Obama administration, and especially in the Bush administration.

we LOOOOOOVE scandal.

Speak for yourself, I don't fucking love this one bit. I want a boring as fuck president with no (actual) scandals, like the LAST one we had. I honestly think that's why Republicans hated Obama so much. He ran a scandal-free administration, and that's something Republicans cannot relate to, so they assume he MUST have been doing something so damned bad, but they could never catch him.

Back when warrentless wiretapping got started we would have said, wait, hold the fucking phone, you're gonna do what!?

We did! There was a whole fucking pile of outrage about it!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Did you just use Wikipedia in an attempt to source your way out of an argument?

IRS targeting happened.

October 26, 2017 - The Justice Department announces that it has settled multiple lawsuits over the IRS targeting Scandal. In a statement, Attorney General Jeff Sessions says it was "clear" that the IRS was "using inappropriate criteria to screen applications" for tax-exempt status under the Obama administration from tea party or conservative groups.

Sessions said that, not me.

Source & if so why has there been ZERO legal action?

 

[fskimospy]

Did you just use Wikipedia in an attempt to source your way out of an argument?

Sure, it's just referencing the two inspector general reports, which you can read yourself. They are both authoritative sources on what happened and both show that the IRS did not target conservative groups, but instead targeted groups perceived to be political. This is how both liberal AND conservative groups were targeted for additional scrutiny.

Here, I will link the most recent report directly:

https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2017reports/201710054fr.pdf

Do you want to revise your opinion on this matter at all?

IRS targeting happened.

It literally did not happen. There was not one, but two separate inspector general reports that verify this. They represent the authoritative investigation into IRS conduct on this issue.

October 26, 2017 - The Justice Department announces that it has settled multiple lawsuits over the IRS targeting Scandal. In a statement, Attorney General Jeff Sessions says it was "clear" that the IRS was "using inappropriate criteria to screen applications" for tax-exempt status under the Obama administration from tea party or conservative groups.

Sessions said that, not me.

Oh good, a statement by a political appointee of Trump, haha.

I don't know where you get your information from but how you could still believe this conspiracy theory after not one, but two IG reports debunked it is mystifying. You should probably re-evaluate where you get your news.

 

[GobBluth]

Alright fine. You're right and I'm wrong. Your sources and information have proved your argument valid, and i concede my point to you. Thanks for a spirited debate and for taking time out of your day to educate me so that I won't embarrass myself further in the future.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Alright fine. You're right and I'm wrong. Your sources and information have proved your argument valid, and i concede my point to you. Thanks for a spirited debate and for taking time out of your day to educate me so that I won't embarrass myself further in the future.

Welcome to the dark side, we've got cookies.

 

[zinfamous]

You don't remember the IRS meddling into political opponents that was started, and protected, by his (Obama's)administration?

widely discredited nonsense. This actually never happened. Did you update yourself on that, or do you still believe the initial lie?

How's about him (Obama) paying ransoms to the Iranian government and lying about it? How about the entire global surveillance program that magically became an inter-continental spying mechanism against law abiding Americans? Remember warrant-less wiretapping? Thank you President Bush.

But no, suddenly under the guise of due diligence and "elected duties" we're concerned about "The Apprentice" trying to grease a fellow TV dinner president for Joe Biden's google search history?

mostly...what? Yes, Patriot Act is garbage, and if anything, Obama admin didn't do enough (anything, really) to dismantle it. Neither did Congress.

 

[zinfamous]

We did! There was a whole fucking pile of outrage about it!

You know how republicans that suddenly don't like the invasion of Iraq, bitch and moan that no democrats argued against it, that the public was all for it (it was wildly unpopular at the time, long before the illegal invasion happened), and that no one was brave enough to point out the flawed intelligence, that it was always a terrible idea?

Remember how they always try to blame away their mistakes by inventing a past and a way of thinking for a group of people that never happened? Remember that?

This is exactly that.

 

[interchange]

Jeez it's appalling how effective whataboutism and false equivalency are here. Not in making successful arguments. But in diverting attention away from, get this, talking about why Trump is facing impeachment and evidence for and against him.

 

[GobBluth]

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Jeez it's appalling how effective whataboutism and false equivalency are here. Not in making successful arguments. But in diverting attention away from, get this, talking about why Trump is facing impeachment and evidence for and against him.

See, Ringo gets it.

 

[ivwshane]

Jeez it's appalling how effective whataboutism and false equivalency are here. Not in making successful arguments. But in diverting attention away from, get this, talking about why Trump is facing impeachment and evidence for and against him.

Trolls are going to troll. We either counter them or have them removed.