PS3 pricing out (and controller details)

[Ichigo]

He said nothing implicating that he supported the 360.

Also, how do menus confirm that everything was realtime? Those could have been rendered in just as easily. I'm not saying it's one way or the other, but I'll reserve my judgement for when the game comes out.

 

[Sniper82]

Originally posted by: thawolfman

Originally posted by: Sniper82
Well it looks like this console is for rich ppl which I am not. I feel sorry for the ppl that give $500-$600 for it and it get disc read errors or who knows what in the first 3-6 months of normal use. Sony has yet to release a console without this problem at launch and I don't see it changing.

I'll wait for the $199 price tag and for the system to mature.

Like a $400 360 has been flawless?

Never said it was . I like PS2 alot better than Xbox just because of the games. But I also love my modded Xbox. I am just saying $500-$600 is just crazy for a launch system that is almost guaranteed to have issues/defects.

 

[ForumMaster]

what makes me laught, is that a lot of people claim, OH the PS3 is so expensive! xbox360 better. but they don't take into account that for $200 more, you get 40GB more, PLUS A BLU-RAY DRIVE! the xbox360 is a regular dvd drive. they now released the add-on and it should cost more then $200. it is basically a PC hd-dvd drive in an external case. so when you add that to the table, which console costs more? which offers more features? the PS3. $600 is still a lot of money for a console and i think that if i decide to buy any of the 3 consoles that are being developed now, it'll be the Wii as that is the only one that changes the gameplay.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
The 20GB model is the same price as a HD-DVD player, and you get:

- blu-ray player
- PS3
- PS1 + PS2 (they claimed "15,000" existing games would be playable)

you dont get much of a BLU ray player with out HDMI connection

 

[otispunkmeyer]

while the price is steep, its not really a shock

people, gamers, have been paying more than $500-$600 for graphics cards in the last year, if there is people willing to do that, there will be people willing to drop the same on a console, and they probably already have a HDTV

still i think january/february time will be a good time to eventually pick one up. technology costs drop pretty rapidly since it moves so fast, MS will be dropping the price of the 360 when IBM start with the 65nm chips. smaller chips = more per wafer = cheaper individual chips.

hopefully by then the bugs will be sorted, and the price may have dropped $100

 

[imported_Ivan244]

Plus, think about the cost of reg blu-ray players. Most of them are going to be in the $600+ range anyways. So for the cost of a blu-ray player you get a game console along with it.

Whatever it takes to justify $600

And at least the PS3 should last 5 yrs or so. Unlike these high-end graphic cards that can only deliver high end graphics for 1-2 yrs before you need to spend another $500-600 to get the latest greatest graphics.

Not knocking it, just pointing out the huge diff price wise between PC and console gaming.

Now if someone can figure out a way to get mouse/kyb for console FPS gaming I would be on cloud 9. And not JoyFrag, I mean a real implementation from the devs.

 

[Sniper82]

Originally posted by: Ivan244
Plus, think about the cost of reg blu-ray players. Most of them are going to be in the $600+ range anyways. So for the cost of a blu-ray player you get a game console along with it.

Whatever it takes to justify $600

And at least the PS3 should last 5 yrs or so. Unlike these high-end graphic cards that can only deliver high end graphics for 1-2 yrs before you need to spend another $500-600 to get the latest greatest graphics.

Not knocking it, just pointing out the huge diff price wise between PC and console gaming.

Now if someone can figure out a way to get mouse/kyb for console FPS gaming I would be on cloud 9. And not JoyFrag, I mean a real implementation from the devs.

Yeah but at least the Video card will most likely work for 5 years and most companies offer lifetime warranty(or 3 years or so). Sony's PS3 will likely have issues in the first few months of purchase and Sony only offers what a 90 day warranty if that.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Like I said in the other thread, who gives a shat about Blu Ray. When can I expect to realistically see Blu Ray content out?

Within sixty days(from today, not the PS3's launch). BluRay is nothing like HD-DVD, all but one of the major studios are backing it and they are all anchoring to the PS3 for mass market penetration. Expect to see a large quantity of titles targetting our general demographic hitting in time for the PS3's launch.

you dont get much of a BLU ray player with out HDMI connection

I think what you are trying to say is you don't get much without HDCP, and by that you mean you probably won't get much if the studios decide to enforce HDCP from day one which almost all of them have been indicating won't be the case(would cut off too much of the existing HDTV installed base). I would certainly agree that the ideal setup is with HDMI+HDCP support, but neither are by default required in any way.

On the general pricing point- we are going to see gouging on top of that and even if you are willing to spend hundreds more you are still going to have a hard time getting your hands on one. I paid ~$600 for my XB360 'Premium' some time after launch(had to buy a Core and then piece together a proper package); I'll pay $600 for a PS3 without batting an eye too. I think this, as a business move, is smart for Sony. There isn't going to be anywhere near enough consoles at launch, they are talking about having only three times as many as MS had, so the demand is going to be astronomical. Why not rake in an extra ~$400Million in revenue instead of letting the ebayers pocket it all? The system will sell out at that price point without issue- why not do it? As a consumer it sucks of course, I can pick up two and a half Wiis for the price of one PS3(which I'll likely have to buy at least three Wiis at launch to keep the kids happy) but as a businessman it is simply smart of them to do it this way. Supply starts to approach the level of demand they can rapidly drop the price.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan

Originally posted by: SithSolo1
For the record the Wii controller can detect it's potion in 3D space. The PS3 controller can only detect "tilt" motion. Not quite the same, likely caused by all the patents Nintendo filed.

All that matters is implementation. I can't wait for Nintendo coverage.

heh coverage. atleast we have web coverage. mainstream media is sucking. atleast from the radio abc news bit i heard and the article in the wallstreet journal. pretty lousy reporting, the way the describe sony and nintendos controllers u'd think they were the same thing vague vague vague bs

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: ForumMaster
what makes me laught, is that a lot of people claim, OH the PS3 is so expensive! xbox360 better. but they don't take into account that for $200 more, you get 40GB more, PLUS A BLU-RAY DRIVE! the xbox360 is a regular dvd drive. they now released the add-on and it should cost more then $200. it is basically a PC hd-dvd drive in an external case. so when you add that to the table, which console costs more? which offers more features? the PS3. $600 is still a lot of money for a console and i think that if i decide to buy any of the 3 consoles that are being developed now, it'll be the Wii as that is the only one that changes the gameplay.

You make it sound is if everyone should be oh so happy to pay extra because they get a blu-ray drive. OMG YES!!!!11! I get to beta test Sony's new drives for them and I get to pay them to do so! Consoles are the new MMO!

 

[phantom404]

I heard Wii is suppose to be around 250 at launch and if thats the case I'll def get a Wii for sure. I'll be able to tell the wife I'm going to go work out, fire up Wii, pop in a sports game and work it. It will make us both happy.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
oh and by the way, NONE of the ps3 controllers have vibration, but they do have that tilt movement thingy. i read a quote somewhere that "vibration was last generation. movement is next generation." something like that.

Hmmm....the Wii controller does movement plus vibration plus sound. Does that mean it is two generations ahead of Sony's controller?

 

[frankgomez75]

Sony steals and it lies, screw them and their broken promises

Lie #1 Dual HDMI Outputs for (DUAL SCREEN) gaming
Lie #2 PS3 will have a 3 Port Gigabit switch
Lie #3 One price point, not 2 like the Xbox 1.5 (thats what Sony said anyways)
Lie #4 TRUE 1080P gaming
Lie #5 Launching the PS3 in SPRING 2006 "There is no change in our original plan to release the console in spring 2006,"
Lie #6 Runs games at 120FPS
Lie #7 According to the MGS4 trailer, the game could only be done using Cell, but Hideo Kojima has gone on record as stating that the 360 could handle the game fine
Lie #8 Killzone Demo was rendered in realtime last year..... yeah right. BTW, where was it this year? Was it running on actual PS3 hardware?

Stolen Idea #1 Motion sensing controllers (developers admitted Sony tacked this on only 2 weeks prior to E3) - Trying hard to use Nintendos ideas, but unfortunately they can't be as innovative as Nintendo, nor after stealing the idea, can they actually implement it well nor improve upon it

Stolen Idea #2 The PS3 is an "always on, always connected device based on community, communication, commerce and content." Sony Executive Masa Chatani --- Geez, sounds alot like Xbox live to me, but much much crappier.... like a knockoff at the fleamarket

Stolen Idea #3 The button in the middle of the PS3 controller... looks familiar (Xbox 360)

Reasons NOT to buy a PS3
#1 I can buy a $400 Xbox 360 Premium + a $200 Nintendo Wii for the same price as a $600 PS3
#2 I will have a larger library of games to choose from. Between the Wii and Xbox, Sony ain't got nothing on them combined.
#3 My Wii controller can actually detect 3D motion, unlike the knockoff tilt crap in the PS3... Oh and if you get tired of swinging your controlle r like a sword or bat, you can use it like a regular controller
#4 My 360 and Wii controllers will actually have rumble detection, unlike the PS3
#5 My 360 will allow me to upgrade if I choose, to add an HD-DVD drive and/or a Blu-Ray Drive
#6 My 360 has a detachable drive... so if my 360 ever dies down the road, 2 or 3 years from now, I can pop off the hard drive and buy another 360 Core, and plop the hard drive on... saving me from spending on another full system... something the PS3 cannot do
#7 GTA will be available on the 360 first, and will have exclusive content as will other games for the 360


Now why in the world would I buy a PS3?

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: frankgomez75
Sony steals and it lies, screw them and their broken promises

Lie #1 Dual HDMI Outputs for (DUAL SCREEN) gaming
Lie #2 PS3 will have a 3 Port Gigabit switch
Lie #3 One price point, not 2 like the Xbox 1.5 (thats what Sony said anyways)
Lie #4 TRUE 1080P gaming
Lie #5 Launching the PS3 in SPRING 2006 "There is no change in our original plan to release the console in spring 2006,"
Lie #6 Runs games at 120FPS
Lie #7 According to the MGS4 trailer, the game could only be done using Cell, but Hideo Kojima has gone on record as stating that the 360 could handle the game fine
Lie #8 Killzone Demo was rendered in realtime last year..... yeah right. BTW, where was it this year? Was it running on actual PS3 hardware?

Stolen Idea #1 Motion sensing controllers (developers admitted Sony tacked this on only 2 weeks prior to E3) - Trying hard to use Nintendos ideas, but unfortunately they can't be as innovative as Nintendo, nor after stealing the idea, can they actually implement it well nor improve upon it

Stolen Idea #2 The PS3 is an "always on, always connected device based on community, communication, commerce and content." Sony Executive Masa Chatani --- Geez, sounds alot like Xbox live to me, but much much crappier.... like a knockoff at the fleamarket

Stolen Idea #3 The button in the middle of the PS3 controller... looks familiar (Xbox 360)

Reasons NOT to buy a PS3
#1 I can buy a $400 Xbox 360 Premium + a $200 Nintendo Wii for the same price as a $600 PS3
#2 I will have a larger library of games to choose from. Between the Wii and Xbox, Sony ain't got nothing on them combined.
#3 My Wii controller can actually detect 3D motion, unlike the knockoff tilt crap in the PS3... Oh and if you get tired of swinging your controlle r like a sword or bat, you can use it like a regular controller
#4 My 360 and Wii controllers will actually have rumble detection, unlike the PS3
#5 My 360 will allow me to upgrade if I choose, to add an HD-DVD drive and/or a Blu-Ray Drive
#6 My 360 has a detachable drive... so if my 360 ever dies down the road, 2 or 3 years from now, I can pop off the hard drive and buy another 360 Core, and plop the hard drive on... saving me from spending on another full system... something the PS3 cannot do
#7 GTA will be available on the 360 first, and will have exclusive content as will other games for the 360


Now why in the world would I buy a PS3?

Urgh, don't you realize many other people can come up with just as many times MS has lied and as many reasons not to buy Xbox360? Same goes with the Wii, the PC, and all the other systems out there.

 

[frankgomez75]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: frankgomez75
Sony steals and it lies, screw them and their broken promises

Lie #1 Dual HDMI Outputs for (DUAL SCREEN) gaming
Lie #2 PS3 will have a 3 Port Gigabit switch
Lie #3 One price point, not 2 like the Xbox 1.5 (thats what Sony said anyways)
Lie #4 TRUE 1080P gaming
Lie #5 Launching the PS3 in SPRING 2006 "There is no change in our original plan to release the console in spring 2006,"
Lie #6 Runs games at 120FPS
Lie #7 According to the MGS4 trailer, the game could only be done using Cell, but Hideo Kojima has gone on record as stating that the 360 could handle the game fine
Lie #8 Killzone Demo was rendered in realtime last year..... yeah right. BTW, where was it this year? Was it running on actual PS3 hardware?

Stolen Idea #1 Motion sensing controllers (developers admitted Sony tacked this on only 2 weeks prior to E3) - Trying hard to use Nintendos ideas, but unfortunately they can't be as innovative as Nintendo, nor after stealing the idea, can they actually implement it well nor improve upon it

Stolen Idea #2 The PS3 is an "always on, always connected device based on community, communication, commerce and content." Sony Executive Masa Chatani --- Geez, sounds alot like Xbox live to me, but much much crappier.... like a knockoff at the fleamarket

Stolen Idea #3 The button in the middle of the PS3 controller... looks familiar (Xbox 360)

Reasons NOT to buy a PS3
#1 I can buy a $400 Xbox 360 Premium + a $200 Nintendo Wii for the same price as a $600 PS3
#2 I will have a larger library of games to choose from. Between the Wii and Xbox, Sony ain't got nothing on them combined.
#3 My Wii controller can actually detect 3D motion, unlike the knockoff tilt crap in the PS3... Oh and if you get tired of swinging your controlle r like a sword or bat, you can use it like a regular controller
#4 My 360 and Wii controllers will actually have rumble detection, unlike the PS3
#5 My 360 will allow me to upgrade if I choose, to add an HD-DVD drive and/or a Blu-Ray Drive
#6 My 360 has a detachable drive... so if my 360 ever dies down the road, 2 or 3 years from now, I can pop off the hard drive and buy another 360 Core, and plop the hard drive on... saving me from spending on another full system... something the PS3 cannot do
#7 GTA will be available on the 360 first, and will have exclusive content as will other games for the 360


Now why in the world would I buy a PS3?

Urgh, don't you realize many other people can come up with just as many times MS has lied and as many reasons not to buy Xbox360? Same goes with the Wii, the PC, and all the other systems out there.

Ok,
Microsoft has lied about their products before, but what have they lied about in terms of the Xbox 360? Especially ones as blatant as Sony and the PS3... I'm talking game consoles here, the next-gens?

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: frankgomez75

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: frankgomez75
Sony steals and it lies, screw them and their broken promises

Lie #1 Dual HDMI Outputs for (DUAL SCREEN) gaming
Lie #2 PS3 will have a 3 Port Gigabit switch
Lie #3 One price point, not 2 like the Xbox 1.5 (thats what Sony said anyways)
Lie #4 TRUE 1080P gaming
Lie #5 Launching the PS3 in SPRING 2006 "There is no change in our original plan to release the console in spring 2006,"
Lie #6 Runs games at 120FPS
Lie #7 According to the MGS4 trailer, the game could only be done using Cell, but Hideo Kojima has gone on record as stating that the 360 could handle the game fine
Lie #8 Killzone Demo was rendered in realtime last year..... yeah right. BTW, where was it this year? Was it running on actual PS3 hardware?

Stolen Idea #1 Motion sensing controllers (developers admitted Sony tacked this on only 2 weeks prior to E3) - Trying hard to use Nintendos ideas, but unfortunately they can't be as innovative as Nintendo, nor after stealing the idea, can they actually implement it well nor improve upon it

Stolen Idea #2 The PS3 is an "always on, always connected device based on community, communication, commerce and content." Sony Executive Masa Chatani --- Geez, sounds alot like Xbox live to me, but much much crappier.... like a knockoff at the fleamarket

Stolen Idea #3 The button in the middle of the PS3 controller... looks familiar (Xbox 360)

Reasons NOT to buy a PS3
#1 I can buy a $400 Xbox 360 Premium + a $200 Nintendo Wii for the same price as a $600 PS3
#2 I will have a larger library of games to choose from. Between the Wii and Xbox, Sony ain't got nothing on them combined.
#3 My Wii controller can actually detect 3D motion, unlike the knockoff tilt crap in the PS3... Oh and if you get tired of swinging your controlle r like a sword or bat, you can use it like a regular controller
#4 My 360 and Wii controllers will actually have rumble detection, unlike the PS3
#5 My 360 will allow me to upgrade if I choose, to add an HD-DVD drive and/or a Blu-Ray Drive
#6 My 360 has a detachable drive... so if my 360 ever dies down the road, 2 or 3 years from now, I can pop off the hard drive and buy another 360 Core, and plop the hard drive on... saving me from spending on another full system... something the PS3 cannot do
#7 GTA will be available on the 360 first, and will have exclusive content as will other games for the 360


Now why in the world would I buy a PS3?

Urgh, don't you realize many other people can come up with just as many times MS has lied and as many reasons not to buy Xbox360? Same goes with the Wii, the PC, and all the other systems out there.

Ok,
Microsoft has lied about their products before, but what have they lied about in terms of the Xbox 360? Especially ones as blatant as Sony and the PS3... I'm talking game consoles here, the next-gens?

Don't ask me, as I don't spend the time looking up things like that, but I know I've seen many people with the same attitude as you, just with a different console preference, pointing out lies/disappointments/flaws in the competing systems. I just hug my PC and hope the console war will go away one day...

 

[Queasy]

Sony Defends Two Console SKUs but looks silly in doing so.

Phil Harrison has spoken to the BBC news site, defending the company's decision to release two versions of PS3 and countering claims that the cheaper model will not be High Definition. As mentioned on Technology Blog yesterday, specs sheets released to journalists at the pre-E3 Sony conference revealed that the cheapie PS3 lacks Wi-Fi, memory card slot and, crucially, an HDMI port. However, Harrison claims:

"What we should be clear about is that the functionality is identical in both machines... It's just that the technical method of extracting audio and video from the devices is slightly different"

Harrison doesn't talk about the amends made to the top-end package, though. One HDMI slot, not two. Four USB ports, not six. One ethernet port, not three. Of course, it is often the case that final console hardware fails to match the exact specifications of the prototype, but Sony has been bullish about the wider entertainment abilities of the machine. PS3 is, after all, the company's Trojan Horse for Blu-ray technology. Yet with its home entertainment options reduced, it may be less desirable to those crucial early adopters who pore over specs with religious intensity.

Gah Sony can be so full of it sometimes. It should be noted that Harrison previously said that the PS3 would not come in two SKUs.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Microsoft has lied about their products before, but what have they lied about in terms of the Xbox 360?

HD will never be required to play a game ring a bell? After people openly laughed at that lie they got indignant and very forcefully lied some more about it- this while they KNEW that at least two games were nearing completion that REQUIRED the HD to play.

Also- $399 MSRP? Yeah, if you are looking for vapourware. I ended up paying about $600 for my 360- retail- because I had to piece one together because MS supposedly can't build them fast enough(heh, considering I was able to buy all the parts at once without issue....).

When Sony launches the PS3 they will be walking right in to Halo3......

All games will run with 4x AA all the time- another big lie by MS.

'Always on Live!'... not even close. Besides the fact that they are selling hardware with horrific tendencies to run way too hot, even if you left your 360 on all the time it will auto log you off after a certain amount of time. Live! certainly isn't the kind of always connected device that MS lied to us and told us it was.

Should we go into MS's prerendered footage that they love to show off so much? You checked out the Forza video clip on Live! as but one example?

How about widespread availability by the end of March for all SKUs? Sure...... March of '08 maybe.

Stolen idea- controller is a wannabe wavebird without a doubt.

IBM CPU paired with an ATi GPU using eDRAM to prop up our rasterizer..... that's original

Another stolen idea- that button in the middle of the controller- it has been there on Nin and Sony systems since the mid 90s. Functionality may be a bit different, but it certainly is a clear steal on MS parts from the older crowd.

All of that aside though- with the exception of Oblivion- why would anyone want to buy a 360 right now? I'm curious to know. I've bought every game that looks remotely decent for the system and outside of one they are very far removed from warranting the purchase of a new console, they aren't even close actually.

 

[mzkhadir]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Microsoft has lied about their products before, but what have they lied about in terms of the Xbox 360?

HD will never be required to play a game ring a bell? After people openly laughed at that lie they got indignant and very forcefully lied some more about it- this while they KNEW that at least two games were nearing completion that REQUIRED the HD to play.

Also- $399 MSRP? Yeah, if you are looking for vapourware. I ended up paying about $600 for my 360- retail- because I had to piece one together because MS supposedly can't build them fast enough(heh, considering I was able to buy all the parts at once without issue....).

When Sony launches the PS3 they will be walking right in to Halo3......

All games will run with 4x AA all the time- another big lie by MS.

'Always on Live!'... not even close. Besides the fact that they are selling hardware with horrific tendencies to run way too hot, even if you left your 360 on all the time it will auto log you off after a certain amount of time. Live! certainly isn't the kind of always connected device that MS lied to us and told us it was.

Should we go into MS's prerendered footage that they love to show off so much? You checked out the Forza video clip on Live! as but one example?

How about widespread availability by the end of March for all SKUs? Sure...... March of '08 maybe.

Stolen idea- controller is a wannabe wavebird without a doubt.

IBM CPU paired with an ATi GPU using eDRAM to prop up our rasterizer..... that's original

Another stolen idea- that button in the middle of the controller- it has been there on Nin and Sony systems since the mid 90s. Functionality may be a bit different, but it certainly is a clear steal on MS parts from the older crowd.

All of that aside though- with the exception of Oblivion- why would anyone want to buy a 360 right now? I'm curious to know. I've bought every game that looks remotely decent for the system and outside of one they are very far removed from warranting the purchase of a new console, they aren't even close actually.

You could have waited it out.

 

[BenSkywalker]

You could have waited it out.

And anyone taking issue with the PS3's launch price could also wait it out too. If it was really a big deal to me then I wouldn't have picked it up when I did, but as soon as Oblivion went gold I bought one(which was my plan all along). I'll pick up a PS3 at launch for $600 too, and a year later it will be $400 and everyone will be talking about what an idiot I was

 

[flashbacck]

Ken Kutaragi (SCEI president) thinks the PS3 is like fine dinning?

In an interview with Japanese website IT Media, partially translated by IGN, Kutaragi said: "This is the PS3 price. Expensive, cheap - we don't want you to think of it in terms of game machines."

"For instance," Kutaragi continued, "Is it not nonsense to compare the charge for dinner at the company cafeteria with dinner at a fine restaurant? It's a question of what you can do with that game machine. If you can have an amazing experience, we believe price is not a problem."

Kutaragi reiterated comments he made earlier regarding the original PlayStation, which he says was also considered too expensive at launch.

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