PS3 pricing out (and controller details)

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Czar

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
proper firmwares? aren't they just all about locking out the hacks?

and implimenting half assed features to make people upgrade
 

rhit90

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Uhh PS3 isn't worth $600 to the general public. Seriously the graphics they showed were not even up to par on the 360 release games. What you are paying for is Sony's push to get their format war running. Not to mention the $500 version cant do HDMI nor 1080p. Also take into consideration that most of the HDTVs that you own won't work with Bluray.



Also NVidia released the RSX information but I can't seem to find it =(
 

Dark4ng3l

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Bah the thing is that since sony is missing their launch window that was probably after they would have liked to launch anyways they are probably gona have a huge shortage of consoles at launch. Plus since they are gona have to push pretty hard to get the thing out I expect lots of console failiures in the first few batches. Im not sure they can pull this off(and if they do it will cost them alot of dough). The pricing wont really be a problem if the thing is super rare people will just buy them no matter the price. Hell they could launch at 800$ and still sell everything then go down to 500 after xmas (and piss off a ton of people).
 

Fingolfin269

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I wonder what % of the population was just excluded from owning a PS3 at that price point. I know that when I was a kid my parents would have laughed if I asked them to pay that kind of money for a game system. 'Go outside and play football with your brother!'. Of course we did that anyway...
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I wonder what % of the population was just excluded from owning a PS3 at that price point. I know that when I was a kid my parents would have laughed if I asked them to pay that kind of money for a game system. 'Go outside and play football with your brother!'. Of course we did that anyway...

The demographic that the developers have been aiming for has been the 18-35 for years now.
 

beggerking

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: DeathReborn

2: 15,000 games playable at release compared to what 50? 100? 200? on the X360
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rather meaningless number. its like the fact that you can play even dos games from decades ago on a pc. but so what? you didn't buy a brand new expensive system to waste your time on that. its more a gimmic that actually useful.

as for tilt controller. welcome to 6 years ago http://www.joystickreview.com/microsoft/sidewinderfreestylepro.asp

its silly and awkward anyways. think stress positions/guantonamo bay;)

the crippled systemcan't be upgraded to premium level, and that just makes it a piece of garbage. the real price of this sh*t is 600 dollars for anyone serious. you are spending 500 dollars on a crippled system, you aren't saving money at all.

sony=riaa+mpaa! stay away!

atleast microsoft does'nt sue its customers.

with so many *GOOD* ps2 games out there ( many foreign) , it is a valid point compare to the original xbox's few *good* games.

also, I believe xbox360 is unable to play original xbox games w/o software emulation aka harddrive and is not 100% compatible.

ps2 games are not from decades ago, they are more like a dx8 game vs dx9 game.

controller depends on preference.
 

Fingolfin269

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Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I wonder what % of the population was just excluded from owning a PS3 at that price point. I know that when I was a kid my parents would have laughed if I asked them to pay that kind of money for a game system. 'Go outside and play football with your brother!'. Of course we did that anyway...

The demographic that the developers have been aiming for has been the 18-35 for years now.

Hah, I'm in that demographic and still have no desire to pay $600 for that console. Now, if only Sony had made a version that did NOT come with a BR player...


 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: SithSolo1
For the record the Wii controller can detect it's potion in 3D space. The PS3 controller can only detect "tilt" motion. Not quite the same, likely caused by all the patents Nintendo filed.

I was going to say...doesn't nintendo have a patent on this? I mean the US patent office would probably give me a patent for the telephone the way they run things these days.
 

Looney

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I don't know why so many people are so surprise at the price. Every analyst and article has been predicting this pricepoint for the last year.
 

Noema

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Originally posted by: BDawg
I think the real time graphics for FFXIII beat everything out there.


I seriously doubt those are real time.

It wouldn't be the first time Sony/Square show fake, prerendered CGI and try to pass it off as Real Time scenes.
 

DirthNader

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Originally posted by: Looney
I don't know why so many people are so surprise at the price. Every analyst and article has been predicting this pricepoint for the last year.

Personally, I just can't believe it's actually come to this. My NES cost $80 new, and it came with TWO controllers! Then again, I'm an old(er) fart who remembers paying $150 for a RIVA 128 and thinking that was high dollar. How people stomach $500-$700 video cards is beyond me...

 

BDawg

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Originally posted by: Noema
Originally posted by: BDawg
I think the real time graphics for FFXIII beat everything out there.


I seriously doubt those are real time.

It wouldn't be the first time Sony/Square show fake, prerendered CGI and try to pass it off as Real Time scenes.

I'm just going on this from the IGN review.

A collective gasp was heard in the audience when the movie went from what appeared to be pre-rendered footage to a full set of menus indicating that nearly everything we saw was made using the in-game engine. We were then taken through a series of environments ranging from futuristic cities to dense jungles. All of them were lushly detailed with plenty going on in both the character's immediate vicinity and in the background.
 

Genx87

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Like I said in the other thread, who gives a shat about Blu Ray. When can I expect to realistically see Blu Ray content out? Probably on the tail end of this contraptions life cycle.

The graphics wont be much different between ported games. The ability to do 1080p is cute but what % of the sets out there are capable? I am guessing < .01% so that is pointless feature.

For 600 bucks I can build myself a 2 TB raid array and store all that HD content from HD on demand from my DVR.

 

beggerking

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Like I said in the other thread, who gives a shat about Blu Ray. When can I expect to realistically see Blu Ray content out? Probably on the tail end of this contraptions life cycle.

The graphics wont be much different between ported games. The ability to do 1080p is cute but what % of the sets out there are capable? I am guessing < .01% so that is pointless feature.

For 600 bucks I can build myself a 2 TB raid array and store all that HD content from HD on demand from my DVR.

well... there is a need to archive HD content...so either bluray or hddvd will be needed. also, videos will be sold in HD format..

bluray tech actually has more encryption and security, while providing more space...
 

secretanchitman

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oh and by the way, NONE of the ps3 controllers have vibration, but they do have that tilt movement thingy. i read a quote somewhere that "vibration was last generation. movement is next generation." something like that.

sorry in my post on the first page confused anyone...in fact, ill go fix it right now.

still, the stupid 20GB version has all these features pulled out. im mad at that, but...whatever.
 

flashbacck

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The PS3 drives are read only. I think beggerking is just referring to the need for higher storage media in general, which blu-ray offers.

I don't think media on blu-ray is as far off as you think, but I do agree with you that 1080p is useless to the masses at the moment.
 

Looney

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Jun 13, 2000
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Originally posted by: DirthNader
Originally posted by: Looney
I don't know why so many people are so surprise at the price. Every analyst and article has been predicting this pricepoint for the last year.

Personally, I just can't believe it's actually come to this. My NES cost $80 new, and it came with TWO controllers! Then again, I'm an old(er) fart who remembers paying $150 for a RIVA 128 and thinking that was high dollar. How people stomach $500-$700 video cards is beyond me...

Well, with the NES you were also playing games that simply scrolled left and right... well, aside from Duckhunt.

And my first NES cost over $200. The console was JUST released, and i was going through the mall with my parents, when there was a Nintendo kiosk in the middle of the mall, and my dad picked it up. But it came with 2 controllers, duckhunt gun, the robot, and 2 games.

I don't think i'm going to pick up the PS3 though. The only thing that wow'd me at the conference was MetalGear.
 

BDawg

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Didn't Hogan's Alley scroll horizontally and vertically? Come to think of it, a lot did. Flying Heros and Low G-Man off the top of my head.
 

Sniper82

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Well it looks like this console is for rich ppl which I am not. I feel sorry for the ppl that give $500-$600 for it and it get disc read errors or who knows what in the first 3-6 months of normal use. Sony has yet to release a console without this problem at launch and I don't see it changing.

I'll wait for the $199 price tag and for the system to mature.

 

thawolfman

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Originally posted by: Sniper82
Well it looks like this console is for rich ppl which I am not. I feel sorry for the ppl that give $500-$600 for it and it get disc read errors or who knows what in the first 3-6 months of normal use. Sony has yet to release a console without this problem at launch and I don't see it changing.

I'll wait for the $199 price tag and for the system to mature.

Like a $400 360 has been flawless? ;)