PS3 is amazing

[Ackmed]

Sweet. Wish you didnt have to send in the original reciept though. :/

 

[blurredvision]

For a PS3 versus 360 thread, it's actually been pretty tame in here. Good job guys. However, I want to jump in and give some opinions. Earlier in the thread, I stated that I would still take a 360 over a PS3 even after my second just died. And why is that? A multitude of reasons, really.

The 360 is my console of choice right now because of software selection, as well as the Xbox Live service. With games like Bioshock, Gears, Halo 3, etcetera, etcetera, there is nothing on the PS3 at this current moment that I care enough about to pay $500 for the system (or $400 after tax for a used one with my Gamestop discount, if I could find a decent looking one). Hell, even 60fps Madden and NCAA is a plus, and to someone who said that it was blown out of proportion, I agree. But if you've played both, the extra frames lifts the 360 version way above the PS3 version, there is no arguing that. The person who responded to my post wondered why I still choose the 360 over the PS3, and others have responded to him correctly....a console is no good to me without great games, and IMO, the 360 has them in spades at the moment.

The Live service is well worth $50 for 13 months, and anyone who doesn't think so either hasn't tried it, doesn't like online gaming, or doesn't have any friends/social skills. Personally, I do not even play online all that often, and I still think the service is worth it.

However, the 360 does some things that piss me off. Most of these are in comparison to the PS3, but as you'll see, even though I don't agree with these things, they still don't bother me. First up is the hard drive. Whether or not $100 is fair for a 20GB hard drive, or $180 is fair for a 120GB hard drive, that still seems outrageously expensive compared to a low-end console price of $279. I really think Microsoft should've stuck with standard hard drives. With that said, though, 20GB is more than enough for me, and it's never been an issue. There's no way in hell I'm ever buying movies and tv shows that can only be played back on my 360, I don't see why anyone would do that.

The next thing is the wireless adapter. I agree with everyone, $100 is way too expensive, especially so when you compare it to the PS3 having it built in to all current SKU's. I did purchase it at one time when I had some extra money, but it's been sold long ago now. However, wireless is still a niche market IMO for consoles, and the extra added cost on the 360 can't be used as an accurate assessment of overall investment. Those who have money to burn will spend $100, those who don't will run an ethernet cable under the floor for the cost of the cable.

Not much past that bothers me. I love the Media Center extender functionality, I love the controller ergonomics, I love the exclusive games, I love the ease of use of Live and the dashboard, I love the Live Arcade selection of games, I love the dashboard panel that is accessible at any time in any game, I love the standard voice chat in all multiplayer games, I love everything. IMO, the PS3 pales in comparison to the overall gaming experience.

However, when it comes down to anything outside the gaming experience, the PS3 holds it's own. Standard, replaceable hard drive, ability to install an OS, the PSP remote functionality, the backwards compatibility to a crapload of great, great PS2 games, the standard blu-ray player.....there's a lot there. Not to mention the lack of hardware issues at this point in it's life. With the 360's warranty, though, you really can't complain.....only during the 3 weeks your console is gone each time you have to send it in.

And for those listing exclusives for the PS3, remember that we are talking about system sellers. Nobody cares about crappy exclusive games. Hot Shots Golf is not going to move a lot of consoles, neither is SingStar or Eye of Judgement. Not saying those will be crappy, just unimportant. When you talk exclusives, you talk about the likes of Gears, Halo, Heavenly Sword, metal Gear Solid....those types of games. Sure, some of these exclusives are marketed HEAVILY, hence the tremendous buzz about them (Gears and Heavenly Sword), but you really can't put the likes of Folk Lore up against an exclusive like Halo 3.

I'm not a 360 fanboy, I swear I'm not. I tried talking myself into buying a PS3 just a few weeks ago after the price drop, but that was because of the Blu-ray only. I wouldn't mind to give Motorstorm an in-home trial, either . I just think the 360 is the better deal right now if you're in the market for a new console. If I come across a PS3 that is priced right and looks good, I may buy it. But even with my 360 getting ready to head to the service warehouse in the sky, I just want my 360 back....I'm not itching to replace it with a PS3, not in a second.

 

[zinfamous]

^ for games, absotutely. 360 makes too much sense. For everything else, I'm glad I went with PS3

I was thinking that I would, some years down the road go with a 360 should the need to upgrade arise. However, my $40 woot of an HDMI DVD player (refurbed, naturally) died on me once and for all last Saturday. Being unable to bear the loss of quality flick-watching on my big-ass TV (42" is big-ass for my apartment; not big-ass by modern standards), I decided to bite the bullet.

I jsut considered that PS3 is not only the cheapest Blu-Ray out there, but also the best reviewed considering its current capability and long-term potential and expandability. (I mean, seriously...$500 for a serious HiDef player, with possible DVR...)

Honestly, I was just looking for a new DVD player. going 360 would have cost more than the PS3 for just that.
I picked up Resistance b/c it seems to be the one that everyone wets themselves over. It blows...of course, i"m no fan of FPS, so that probably influences my review

I was definately waiting for the HD war to settle down, and for prices to drop...but I convinced myself that if HDDVD wins out somehow, I can still play whatever BluRay discs I get until that point, on top of a box that can do all manner of things.

I've yet to test out how a PS2 game looks though, and I seem to remember some early reviews of craptastic jaggies. I guess this stuff gets fixed wtih the firmware updates though?...or is this a pure hardware issue?

 

[mlm]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
I've yet to test out how a PS2 game looks though, and I seem to remember some early reviews of craptastic jaggies. I guess this stuff gets fixed wtih the firmware updates though?...or is this a pure hardware issue?

Fixed ages ago. And now there's upscaling.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I'm happy with my PS3, but I tell people to buy a (65nm Falcon) 360 instead if all they care about is games.

For 360 owners I also tell them there isn't much reason to add a PS3 just for games, unless you have an unlimited gaming budget. Or want to keep gaming while their 360 is gone for repairs

If they care much about movies and have a HDTV though, blu-ray is very nice and netflix rents all the US releases. Even a dumb fun movie like Shooter is a better experience in 1080p instead of upscaled 480i.

Blu-ray + some exclusive games + PS2 back compatibility is a good value for many movie fans, but your mileage and budget may vary.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian

Originally posted by: akubi

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian
With Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Halo 3 coming out on 360 this fall the PS3 has little to compare.

Unreal Tournament 3 (PC&PS3 Nov07)

nuff said

Yea, I'm skeptical if I'll like UT better than Gears. It looks like they are in the same universe (similar character design), But I was never too impressed w/ the Unreal games on the original Xbox.

Originally posted by: vi_edit
I was pretty deadset on the 360, especially with the pricedrop to $350 for the Premiums.

But I don't know. The $350 deal for the PS3 + the 5 movies that I could maybe get $40-$50 out of to bring it down to $300 sounds like a heck of a deal. Factor in the bigger HD, Blu-Ray, and included wireless and I'm a long ways ahead of what I would get for the Xbox. I'd be looking at spending almost double that for the Xbox.

Plus I'm assuming with the PS3 I could have backwards compatibility with the old PS2 games right? Could I play the first couple Guitar Heros on the PS3?

It's really tempting for a push to next gen movies & gaming. It's just a shame that the game market isn't very developed for it. That was the biggest reason Sony won the first several rounds.

If you want movies I'd suggest you jump on the $350 PS3 now because you won't have that option forever. The 360 will just keep getting cheaper and more reliable, so you should be able to pick one up down the road pretty cheap (either new or used).

If you want games I'd tell you to just go for the 360 right now. The PS3 will get games, but why not spend the money on a console that already has a substatial catalog.

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92


Memory is indentical on both systems(512mb), it is simply allocated differently. Xbox 360 uses 512 GDDR3 ram, shared between the GPU and CPU. The PS3 on the other hand, uses 256 XDR memory, and 256 GDDR3 Ram, for the CPU and GPU respectivly.


In terms of GPU, the Xbox 360 uses a lower clocked X1900 along with a 10mb eDRAM chip, while the PS3 uses a modified Geforce 7800. In the end, the GPU for the 360 has a moderate lead over the PS3.

Above all else, what will make or break a console is it's games. Out of the PS3 game list, the only two that appeal to me are Little Big Planet and Warhawk, along with several multiplatform games(Stranglehold, COD4).

The problem isn't with the amount of memory in the PS3, but rather that it is divided between the CPU and the GPU, so it isn't as easy to pass things in between.

As for the GPU the Xenos is actually based off R600. Obviously since it came out way before R600 was actually done, it's not a true R600, but it is the design it was based on iirc.

Either way the main point was that the PS3 was built better physically if not electrically.

im not sure, but i think you are wrong. Beyond3D have a superb article documenting the Xenos chip. its a very good read if thats your bag. i suggest you read it.

for me R600 is an advancement on the work done on the Xenos/R500 whatever you wanna call it. the GPU in the 360 isnt even DX10. its DX9 but has Unified shaders.

unified shaders aside i dont think the R600 has many ties to what is in the 360. for instance the 360 uses tiled rendering, it does this in an attempt to get "free" AA from that 10mb of EDRAM. that daughter die doesnt actually have enough space for an Un-sampled 720p image, so its gotta be chopped up into tiles.

also the xenos acts as a memory controller for the whole system as well, something R600 doesnt do. xenos doesnt have the ring bus architecture either i dont think. so pretty much the xenos seems like seperate thing that had some ideas/knowledge taken from it into the desktop parts like R600.

 

[EvilComputer92]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian

Originally posted by: akubi

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian
With Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Halo 3 coming out on 360 this fall the PS3 has little to compare.

Unreal Tournament 3 (PC&PS3 Nov07)

nuff said

Yea, I'm skeptical if I'll like UT better than Gears. It looks like they are in the same universe (similar character design), But I was never too impressed w/ the Unreal games on the original Xbox.

Originally posted by: vi_edit
I was pretty deadset on the 360, especially with the pricedrop to $350 for the Premiums.

But I don't know. The $350 deal for the PS3 + the 5 movies that I could maybe get $40-$50 out of to bring it down to $300 sounds like a heck of a deal. Factor in the bigger HD, Blu-Ray, and included wireless and I'm a long ways ahead of what I would get for the Xbox. I'd be looking at spending almost double that for the Xbox.

Plus I'm assuming with the PS3 I could have backwards compatibility with the old PS2 games right? Could I play the first couple Guitar Heros on the PS3?

It's really tempting for a push to next gen movies & gaming. It's just a shame that the game market isn't very developed for it. That was the biggest reason Sony won the first several rounds.

If you want movies I'd suggest you jump on the $350 PS3 now because you won't have that option forever. The 360 will just keep getting cheaper and more reliable, so you should be able to pick one up down the road pretty cheap (either new or used).

If you want games I'd tell you to just go for the 360 right now. The PS3 will get games, but why not spend the money on a console that already has a substatial catalog.

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92


Memory is indentical on both systems(512mb), it is simply allocated differently. Xbox 360 uses 512 GDDR3 ram, shared between the GPU and CPU. The PS3 on the other hand, uses 256 XDR memory, and 256 GDDR3 Ram, for the CPU and GPU respectivly.


In terms of GPU, the Xbox 360 uses a lower clocked X1900 along with a 10mb eDRAM chip, while the PS3 uses a modified Geforce 7800. In the end, the GPU for the 360 has a moderate lead over the PS3.

Above all else, what will make or break a console is it's games. Out of the PS3 game list, the only two that appeal to me are Little Big Planet and Warhawk, along with several multiplatform games(Stranglehold, COD4).

The problem isn't with the amount of memory in the PS3, but rather that it is divided between the CPU and the GPU, so it isn't as easy to pass things in between.

As for the GPU the Xenos is actually based off R600. Obviously since it came out way before R600 was actually done, it's not a true R600, but it is the design it was based on iirc.

Either way the main point was that the PS3 was built better physically if not electrically.

im not sure, but i think you are wrong. Beyond3D have a superb article documenting the Xenos chip. its a very good read if thats your bag. i suggest you read it.

for me R600 is an advancement on the work done on the Xenos/R500 whatever you wanna call it. the GPU in the 360 isnt even DX10. its DX9 but has Unified shaders.

unified shaders aside i dont think the R600 has many ties to what is in the 360. for instance the 360 uses tiled rendering, it does this in an attempt to get "free" AA from that 10mb of EDRAM. that daughter die doesnt actually have enough space for an Un-sampled 720p image, so its gotta be chopped up into tiles.

also the xenos acts as a memory controller for the whole system as well, something R600 doesnt do. xenos doesnt have the ring bus architecture either i dont think. so pretty much the xenos seems like seperate thing that had some ideas/knowledge taken from it into the desktop parts like R600.

If the 360 is supposed to give free AA, is it 2x or 4x? Many games I've played seem to have none at all at 720p, just a blurring effect on the whole screen, but no real AA is there.

 

[purbeast0]

I really think that as slum as everyone thinks this holiday season is going to be for PS3, it's going to be quite a good time for gaming.

Don't get me wrong, the 360 has a killer holiday lineup, or more like a killer fall/winter lineup.

HOWEVER ... there are 4 games coming to the PS3 this year that are going to be a step above all the generic/crappy games coming out.

Haze, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, and UT3 (I don't really care for UT3 personally).

I had only seen pics of Uncharted until last night when I dl'ed the trailer off the PSN. All I can say after watching that video is that it looks breath taking. Then today I saw more of it on a video colage on gamersyde.com .

If you haven't checked it out, I would suggest checking out Uncharted. The game is going to kick major ass.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
I had only seen pics of Uncharted until last night when I dl'ed the trailer off the PSN. All I can say after watching that video is that it looks breath taking. Then today I saw more of it on a video colage on gamersyde.com .

If you haven't checked it out, I would suggest checking out Uncharted. The game is going to kick major ass.

Not to get off topic, but what type of game is it exactly? I don't think that I had even heard of it until I saw the name yesterday while reading this thread.

 

[mlm]

Seems to be a 3rd person shooter/brawler/platformer

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: purbeast0
I had only seen pics of Uncharted until last night when I dl'ed the trailer off the PSN. All I can say after watching that video is that it looks breath taking. Then today I saw more of it on a video colage on gamersyde.com .

If you haven't checked it out, I would suggest checking out Uncharted. The game is going to kick major ass.

Not to get off topic, but what type of game is it exactly? I don't think that I had even heard of it until I saw the name yesterday while reading this thread.

Think of it kinda like a next gen tomb raider type of game in an environment that looks similar to that of Far Cry.

Catch this montage for some of it in action.

 

[zinfamous]

so, I've finally gotten around to play Resitance. about 1 hour total now...

It's starting to lock up with some script popping up in the upper left-hand corner. WTH is that???
Do I have the resolution pumped-up too much? I have already updated to firmware 1.9 (it froze up about 10 minutes into my first-ever run with the machine).
Wondering what's going on here...if this is typical

 

[randay]

looks like youve run into the dreaded freeze script-upper-right-hand of death that the ps3 is so Zinfamous for.

 

[zinfamous]

bummer

excellent post, btw
:beer:

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
bummer

excellent post, btw
:beer:

He's busting your chops of course My first guess is overheating, get close to it or turn the sound off and listen for the fan to ramp up. If it doesn't then that is the #1 suspect.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: zinfamous
bummer

excellent post, btw
:beer:

He's busting your chops of course My first guess is overheating, get close to it or turn the sound off and listen for the fan to ramp up. If it doesn't then that is the #1 suspect.

not that much overheating. I'd had it on the shelf in my TV stand initially. realized after a while that it was certianly getting too hot there. the fan was drowning out my window AC at that point. so I brought it out and sat it vertically. watched ~3 moviesw on it so far with no problem.
It freezes with this game (First time, I was mashing random buttons not knowing what the hell i was doing...so i thought that was the problem). same script message. maybe i can give details next time it happens....

 

[DAPUNISHER]

How is the Resistance disc, since the movies play fine? See any defects, scratches, discolorations, warping, ect? Also, if you have one of the compatible memory cards, try using it for game saves, that might point up a HDD issue if it works that way.

 

[mlm]

That error sounds way too specific (maybe debugging messages?). If you get it again, Google the messages that it's spitting out.

 

[zinfamous]

^ oh yah...good idea. I thought it was rather specific. first time it happened during the first mission, after a sequence of heavy, simultaneous button-mashing. Now it seems to happen in mission...3? early on when you have to take out the gun implacements around the starting building. it froze when crouching, jumping, and using a turret gun. the text in the message seems the same each time, but i'll copy it down next time. reminds me of those messages you'd get from old Sierra games like King's quest or space quest "oops! we hadn't thought of that!"...when you wander into some un-coded portion of the map, or type some vague, or perhaps inappropriate command

Also seems to me like it might be some memory dump issue?

the disc itself is fine btw. I did check it last night

compatible memory cards? i was under the impression that they don't have them for PS3, or is it possible to save to a CF or SD card instead? I haven't really checked...
which reminds me...anyone have a better solution for loading data from a PS2 memory card onto the HDD w/o paying $15 for one of those USB memory card adaptors? I have 2 memory cards, and the 30 seconds it would take to perform that task is not worth $15...

EDIT: found this on my first google hit. looks like it may fix my problem (says "rare crash bugs" although I wouldn't call this rare in my experience). I had assumed that the firmware update would include this kind of stuff though (updated from 1.5 to 1.9 after first attempt and first crash).

 

[mlm]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
which reminds me...anyone have a better solution for loading data from a PS2 memory card onto the HDD w/o paying $15 for one of those USB memory card adaptors? I have 2 memory cards, and the 30 seconds it would take to perform that task is not worth $15...

Walmart?

 

[CrystalBay]

I just picked up a 60gb for $400 at BB, with my XBR4-52 and I am amazed at all the "Useful" features this console has....

It really is an amazing piece of hardware,,, for the money spent... I have my usb keborg plugged in while browsing and checking email on my 802.11bg connection, simply an awesome
hardware product....

 

[Dumac]

Hardware, UI, and system functions alone, the PS3 is by far my favorite of the current consoles. However, the damn thing doesn't have any games!

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: Dumac
Hardware, UI, and system functions alone, the PS3 is by far my favorite of the current consoles. However, the damn thing doesn't have any games!

ninja gaiden, resistance, heavenly sword, and warhawk are great games for the ps3.

it seems that the ps3 library is compared against the x360 library when people try and determine whether the ps3 "has no games". the fact of the matter is that the x360 has been out for 1 year longer then the ps3, and my guess is that the ps3 library will not outdo the x360's library until the x360 nears its end of lifecycle. im thinking that no matter how many good-great games the ps3 comes out with most people will still be saying that it "has no games", simply because the x360 library is not going to slow down any time soon and the ps3 library is not going to miraculously grow by a years worth of games. especially with the low market share it has right now.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

ps3 has better games than the wii, but no ever says the wii doesnt have enough games

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: Dumac
Hardware, UI, and system functions alone, the PS3 is by far my favorite of the current consoles. However, the damn thing doesn't have any games!

I bought MGS3 new for $7 at ToyRUS yesterday. Plenty of good PS2 games for cheap.