PS3 is amazing

[dwell]

Originally posted by: Adn4n
Actually the PS3 has a weaker GPU than the Xbox 360 and also much less memory. Some articles I've read over the months said that the lack of memory is forcing publishers to use Z-compression. Major Nelson was also ranting how the Cell can't do vector math and all but one core is dedicated to float points.

Don't trust Major Nelson for any kind of unbiased perspective. The PS3 has the same amount of RAM as the 360, albeit segmented into system and main memory. The GPU in the 360 is one paper better but the PS3 GPU can work in tandem with the CELL to offset the workload so it's apples to oranges and depends on the developer.

Either way, I mean to say better hardware overall, not just from a gamer perspective. The PS3 is obviously more reliable and includes things the 360 does not offer (AFAIK) like HDMI 1.3 (RGB Full Range, Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White, uncompressed audio formats) Blu-Ray built-in, HDD standard, WiFi standard, Bluetooth controllers rechargeable via and USB 2.0 port, internal power supply, quieter operation overall, etc.

 

[akubi]

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian
With Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Halo 3 coming out on 360 this fall the PS3 has little to compare.

Unreal Tournament 3 (PC&PS3 Nov07)

nuff said

 

[Adn4n]

How is that nuff said?

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: Adn4n

The lack of a standard HDD is a more immediate problem with the 360. The DVD9 may become a problem down the road, for instance id's RAGE needs to ship on 2 DVDs on the 360. The PS3 is expensive but it's the full package. It's really put together well, quiet (when then fans don't kick into 360 mode), and future-proof. The 360 keeps playing catchup (HDMI added later, HD-DVD add-on, the Core holding games back). It's obvious Sony's strengths are hardware where MS strengths are software.

The 360 has better software and price ATM, it's really the only thing holding the PS3 back completely.

Actually the PS3 has a weaker GPU than the Xbox 360 and also much less memory. Some articles I've read over the months said that the lack of memory is forcing publishers to use Z-compression. Major Nelson was also ranting how the Cell can't do vector math and all but one core is dedicated to float points.

I have heard comments about the lack of memory on the PS3 and it seems believable but the "Cell can't do vector math" seems implausible. I took a brief read on the Cell architecture and it looks like a "streaming super computer" in terms of vector math abilities. It is optimized for stream computing which is another way of saying it is optimized for vector math.

 

[vi edit]

I was pretty deadset on the 360, especially with the pricedrop to $350 for the Premiums.

But I don't know. The $350 deal for the PS3 + the 5 movies that I could maybe get $40-$50 out of to bring it down to $300 sounds like a heck of a deal. Factor in the bigger HD, Blu-Ray, and included wireless and I'm a long ways ahead of what I would get for the Xbox. I'd be looking at spending almost double that for the Xbox.

Plus I'm assuming with the PS3 I could have backwards compatibility with the old PS2 games right? Could I play the first couple Guitar Heros on the PS3?

It's really tempting for a push to next gen movies & gaming. It's just a shame that the game market isn't very developed for it. That was the biggest reason Sony won the first several rounds.

 

[EvilComputer92]

Originally posted by: Adn4n

The lack of a standard HDD is a more immediate problem with the 360. The DVD9 may become a problem down the road, for instance id's RAGE needs to ship on 2 DVDs on the 360. The PS3 is expensive but it's the full package. It's really put together well, quiet (when then fans don't kick into 360 mode), and future-proof. The 360 keeps playing catchup (HDMI added later, HD-DVD add-on, the Core holding games back). It's obvious Sony's strengths are hardware where MS strengths are software.

The 360 has better software and price ATM, it's really the only thing holding the PS3 back completely.

Actually the PS3 has a weaker GPU than the Xbox 360 and also much less memory. Some articles I've read over the months said that the lack of memory is forcing publishers to use Z-compression. Major Nelson was also ranting how the Cell can't do vector math and all but one core is dedicated to float points.

Memory is indentical on both systems(512mb), it is simply allocated differently. Xbox 360 uses 512 GDDR3 ram, shared between the GPU and CPU. The PS3 on the other hand, uses 256 XDR memory, and 256 GDDR3 Ram, for the CPU and GPU respectivly.


In terms of GPU, the Xbox 360 uses a lower clocked X1900 along with a 10mb eDRAM chip, while the PS3 uses a modified Geforce 7800. In the end, the GPU for the 360 has a moderate lead over the PS3.

Above all else, what will make or break a console is it's games. Out of the PS3 game list, the only two that appeal to me are Little Big Planet and Warhawk, along with several multiplatform games(Stranglehold, COD4).

 

[tatteredpotato]

Originally posted by: akubi

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian
With Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Halo 3 coming out on 360 this fall the PS3 has little to compare.

Unreal Tournament 3 (PC&PS3 Nov07)

nuff said

Yea, I'm skeptical if I'll like UT better than Gears. It looks like they are in the same universe (similar character design), But I was never too impressed w/ the Unreal games on the original Xbox.

Originally posted by: vi_edit
I was pretty deadset on the 360, especially with the pricedrop to $350 for the Premiums.

But I don't know. The $350 deal for the PS3 + the 5 movies that I could maybe get $40-$50 out of to bring it down to $300 sounds like a heck of a deal. Factor in the bigger HD, Blu-Ray, and included wireless and I'm a long ways ahead of what I would get for the Xbox. I'd be looking at spending almost double that for the Xbox.

Plus I'm assuming with the PS3 I could have backwards compatibility with the old PS2 games right? Could I play the first couple Guitar Heros on the PS3?

It's really tempting for a push to next gen movies & gaming. It's just a shame that the game market isn't very developed for it. That was the biggest reason Sony won the first several rounds.

If you want movies I'd suggest you jump on the $350 PS3 now because you won't have that option forever. The 360 will just keep getting cheaper and more reliable, so you should be able to pick one up down the road pretty cheap (either new or used).

If you want games I'd tell you to just go for the 360 right now. The PS3 will get games, but why not spend the money on a console that already has a substatial catalog.

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92


Memory is indentical on both systems(512mb), it is simply allocated differently. Xbox 360 uses 512 GDDR3 ram, shared between the GPU and CPU. The PS3 on the other hand, uses 256 XDR memory, and 256 GDDR3 Ram, for the CPU and GPU respectivly.


In terms of GPU, the Xbox 360 uses a lower clocked X1900 along with a 10mb eDRAM chip, while the PS3 uses a modified Geforce 7800. In the end, the GPU for the 360 has a moderate lead over the PS3.

Above all else, what will make or break a console is it's games. Out of the PS3 game list, the only two that appeal to me are Little Big Planet and Warhawk, along with several multiplatform games(Stranglehold, COD4).

The problem isn't with the amount of memory in the PS3, but rather that it is divided between the CPU and the GPU, so it isn't as easy to pass things in between.

As for the GPU the Xenos is actually based off R600. Obviously since it came out way before R600 was actually done, it's not a true R600, but it is the design it was based on iirc.

Either way the main point was that the PS3 was built better physically if not electrically.

 

[Adn4n]

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92

Originally posted by: Adn4n

The lack of a standard HDD is a more immediate problem with the 360. The DVD9 may become a problem down the road, for instance id's RAGE needs to ship on 2 DVDs on the 360. The PS3 is expensive but it's the full package. It's really put together well, quiet (when then fans don't kick into 360 mode), and future-proof. The 360 keeps playing catchup (HDMI added later, HD-DVD add-on, the Core holding games back). It's obvious Sony's strengths are hardware where MS strengths are software.

The 360 has better software and price ATM, it's really the only thing holding the PS3 back completely.

Actually the PS3 has a weaker GPU than the Xbox 360 and also much less memory. Some articles I've read over the months said that the lack of memory is forcing publishers to use Z-compression. Major Nelson was also ranting how the Cell can't do vector math and all but one core is dedicated to float points.

Memory is indentical on both systems(512mb), it is simply allocated differently. Xbox 360 uses 512 GDDR3 ram, shared between the GPU and CPU. The PS3 on the other hand, uses 256 XDR memory, and 256 GDDR3 Ram, for the CPU and GPU respectivly.


In terms of GPU, the Xbox 360 uses a lower clocked X1900 along with a 10mb eDRAM chip, while the PS3 uses a modified Geforce 7800. In the end, the GPU for the 360 has a moderate lead over the PS3.

Above all else, what will make or break a console is it's games. Out of the PS3 game list, the only two that appeal to me are Little Big Planet and Warhawk, along with several multiplatform games(Stranglehold, COD4).

The 360 OS only uses 32MB, while the PS3 OS uses ~90MB though.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Plus I'm assuming with the PS3 I could have backwards compatibility with the old PS2 games right? Could I play the first couple Guitar Heros on the PS3?

In general, PS2 BC = yes, and you don't need per-game profiles/ports like for the 360.

But last I checked Guitar Hero was no because of the guitar controller not working right.

 

[mlm]

Originally posted by: Adn4n
The 360 OS only uses 32MB, while the PS3 OS uses ~90MB though.

That number has been decreasing with firmware updates.

 

[EvilComputer92]

Wouldn't it be increasing as they continue to add features?

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92
Wouldn't it be increasing as they continue to add features?

They left a lot of slack for future-proofing. Plus a lot of the code (like friends list) is not optimized in its current state. There was a rumor that firmware 2.0 will only take 32M of system RAM, 0M of video RAM but take that with a grain of salt. It's down to about 80M total and a lot of features are being optimized each release.

 

[StormRider]

Does Dance Dance Revolution work on the PS3? I would like to add that to my weight losing program.

 

[StormRider]

BTW, I also recently picked up the 60GB PS3 because of the recent price drop. This is my first console. In the future, I will be buying an HDTV soon and I have no up-converting DVD player. Since I have about 800 DVDs, I knew that I wanted a first rate up-converting DVD player to maintain my investment.

Previously, I was leaning towards the Xbox 360 but I picked the PS3 because:

With Firmware 1.90, the PS3 is supposedly a first rate up-converting DVD player.
It is also a first rate Blu-ray player rivaling units that cost more than $1000
It has good media streaming abilities (although the Xbox 360 might be a little better at this)
It has a user replaceable HD.
It can use external USB hard drives.
It has a possible huge upside if future game programming paradigms can utilize the Cell/BE optimally.
It is supposedly more reliable than the Xbox 360. It's reputation for reliable was so great that I declined an extended service plan (hope this was the right decision).


I was leaning towards the Xbox 360 because

I thought the XNA Game Studio concept was neat and I wanted to play around with programming games
It's has great media streaming abilities
It's currently a better gaming system than the PS3 because of it's more conventional programming paradigm

Random thoughts:

I wish Sony was able to allocate more memory on the PS3 to help offset it's unconventional programming paradigm. I heard comments from developers trying to use the PS3 as a super computer cluster and they express a wish for more memory.

Also, I wished the PPU unit in the Cell/BE was using a more powerful Power PC core than the current one so that the impact of the current learning curve wouldn't be so bad. In other words, while developers are learning a new programming paradigm with the SPUs, they could rely on a more powerful PPU to use current conventional algorithms for stuff like A.I.

I think MS made a mistake by neglecting HD playback abilities on the Xbox 360. From what I understand, the Xeon GPU on the Xbox 360 doesn't have AVIVO that is on ATI's PC GPUs and having an external HD Player introduces compromises in convenience (I think I heard there are some compromises in outputting sound through the HDMI connector?). I can understand why MS wanted to emphasize the gaming capabilities but for someone like me that is finding their Home Theater setup a bit crowded, I would like to combine a next generation HD playback device with a gaming console and that is why I choose the PS3 over the Xbox 360.

I think both are great units however.

 

[imported_Imp]

Just give me some more games and I will get a PS3. Right now, only things that interests me are Ninja Gaiden, Resistance (kinda) and... that about covers it. We need more Japanese RPGs, that's what made the PS2 for me, and I still didn't buy one...

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
Play Madden 08 for 30 minutes and you'll die a little on the inside.

I think the "30 FPS" issue is made to be much more than it is. I'd gladly take 60 FPS, but 30 FPS is hardly bad. I don't know about Madden, but I don't find any trouble with the NCAA 08 demo, which also runs @ 30 FPS. I've played it on the 360 as well, and I don't find the 360 to have that much of an advantage, despite the higher FPS.

A game I found interesting (and quite fun) that nobody seems to talk about is Super Rub-a-dub on PSN (the demo is free, that's what I've played). It uses only the Six-axis's motion sensing for controls, and definately makes better use of it than any other game that I've played. It's a game that wouldn't be very interesting with regular controls, but with the motion sensing controller, I find it to be a lot of fun. Reviewers (IGN, GS) seem to really hate it, but I still like it... it is pretty shallow, though.

 

[Dumac]

This year, the PS3 exclusives I'm looking for are Heavenly Sword, Lair, Ratchet and Clank, UT3, and Uncharted: Drakes fortune. Of course I'll also be throwing in a few multiplatforms. On the other hand, the 360 isn't getting any exclusives that I want. I may invite my uncle over to play Halo 3 co-op, but I don't want the game enough to buy it, let alone by the system, since I only find Halo worth playing with other people.

 

[luv2liv]

im glad the hd on the ps3 is easily upgradeable.
with all the demos n vids n games purchased online... my 60gb is filling up faster than i thought!!

 

[Ichigo]

Originally posted by: Dumac
This year, the PS3 exclusives I'm looking for are Heavenly Sword, Lair, Ratchet and Clank, UT3, and Uncharted: Drakes fortune. Of course I'll also be throwing in a few multiplatforms. On the other hand, the 360 isn't getting any exclusives that I want. I may invite my uncle over to play Halo 3 co-op, but I don't want the game enough to buy it, let alone by the system, since I only find Halo worth playing with other people.

If games like Bioshock and Mass Effect aren't interesting to you, then I guess you couldn't like a 360. And by the way, can you tell me what is so great about Drake's Fortune? From the gameplay video that I saw, it looked pretty generic to me.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: Ichigo
If games like Bioshock and Mass Effect aren't interesting to you, then I guess you couldn't like a 360. And by the way, can you tell me what is so great about Drake's Fortune? From the gameplay video that I saw, it looked pretty generic to me.

Bioshock interests me EXTREMELY, but that is what my PC is for. I wouldn't betray my System Shock 2 hugging PC. Mass effect is a different story. I also abhor the aliens in that game.

Uncharted is supposed to have a good combat system, as well as unique animations. Honestly, I'm not very excited about the game, but tacked it on at the end of the list because I will at least rent it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was overly generic, as you said.

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian

Originally posted by: mlm

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
Also the only game that system has coming this year is heavenly sword :!

What.

Eye of Judgement <<< not a real game.
Folk Lore <<< I want to know how is really excited about it ?
GT5 Prologue <<< GT has never ever hit their release date ? where the hell is GT4 for PSP ?
Heavenly Sword <<< its a good game but ain't that big
Hot Shots Golf 5 <<< you got to be kidding me , the game sucks and only famous in Japan
Lair <<< lair flopped
Little Big Planet <<< ain't coming out untill Q3 2008
Ratchet & Clank <<< Delayed till Q1 2008
SingStar <<< WHAT THE F ? only famous in europe and rockband destroys it
SOCOM
Warhawk <<< yeah a good game but its only a mutiplayer and its only online or lan. No lan

Even if they don't all appeal to you, that's a damn good list IMO.

(note that these are only the first/second party games)

Personally I'd write off Hot Shots Golf and SingStar pretty quickly, but that's personal opinion. Never heard of "Eye of Judgement" , or "Folk Lore" so I can't comment on those. Lair was initially reviewed to be a pretty mediocre title, although the recent delay gives it some hope I suppose.

Little Big Planet does look really interesting, but it isn't coming out until early 08. I could see myself getting Warhawk and possible SOCOM, but to me the lineup of games is pretty lack luster. They do seem to have a wide variety of games, but in doing so they only get a couple from genres I'd enjoy playing.

With Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Halo 3 coming out on 360 this fall the PS3 has little to compare.

Eye of Judgement <<< not a real game.
Folk Lore <<< I want to know how is really excited about it ?
GT5 Prologue <<< GT has never ever hit their release date ? where the hell is GT4 for PSP ?
Heavenly Sword <<< its a good game but ain't that big
Hot Shots Golf 5 <<< you got to be kidding me , the game sucks and only famous in Japan
Lair <<< lair flopped :! look at EGM review
Little Big Planet <<< ain't coming out untill Q3 2008
Ratchet & Clank <<< Delayed till Q1 2008 i think
SingStar <<< WHAT THE F ? only famous in europe and rockband destroys it
SOCOM
Warhawk <<< yeah a good game but its only a mutiplayer and its only online or lan. No bots

Good single player PS3 exclusive title : Heavenly Sword and maybe Ratchet & Clank.

Good Online Mutiplayer PS3 exclusive title : Warhawk and Socom

Racing game : GT5 Prologue but if it ain't got online then Forza woops it ass

The rest of games you listed aren't big and most are no game title that more of gimmicky game. Funny thing is that PS3 don't have one good rpg coming out this year and 360 has 4 major RPG coming out.

Blue Dragon
Eternal sonata
Mass effect
Lost Odyssey

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Ichigo
If games like Bioshock and Mass Effect aren't interesting to you, then I guess you couldn't like a 360. And by the way, can you tell me what is so great about Drake's Fortune? From the gameplay video that I saw, it looked pretty generic to me.

Bioshock interests me EXTREMELY, but that is what my PC is for. I wouldn't betray my System Shock 2 hugging PC. Mass effect is a different story. I also abhor the aliens in that game.

Uncharted is supposed to have a good combat system, as well as unique animations. Honestly, I'm not very excited about the game, but tacked it on at the end of the list because I will at least rent it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was overly generic, as you said.

I have to tell you that they got some other team to develop for the PC version and that team screwed up bad. They did everything wrong from online DRM/tool kit to making sure the game ran like bad on old system to also making it compulsory to have shader 3.0. What do expect when you give the title to some random team in Australia ;( .

X800,X850 owners can't play the game but 6600gt owners can play the game ;( !! stupid right ?

Do you remember Deus ex IW, well remember the pc port just sucked well this port is sort of the same unless you have a 8800GTX , 4GB of ram , Quad Q6600.

 

[mlm]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
Folk Lore <<< I want to know how is really excited about it ?
Heavenly Sword <<< its a good game but ain't that big
Hot Shots Golf 5 <<< you got to be kidding me , the game sucks and only famous in Japan
Lair <<< lair flopped :! look at EGM review
Little Big Planet <<< ain't coming out untill Q3 2008
Ratchet & Clank <<< Delayed till Q1 2008 i think
SingStar <<< WHAT THE F ? only famous in europe and rockband destroys it
SOCOM
Warhawk <<< yeah a good game but its only a mutiplayer and its only online or lan. No bots

Folk Lore - the JP demo has been out for a long time now
Heavenly Sword - You kidding me? They're pumping a LOT of advertising into this game right now.
HSG - that's not true
Lair - been reworked, other reviews have been more favorable
LBP - see my other reply
Ratchet & Clank - The release date has already been set for October 23rd
SingStar - Who's to say that won't change for this generation? And Rock Band requires too much for somebody who's just looking for a karaoke game.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: Ichigo
If games like Bioshock and Mass Effect aren't interesting to you, then I guess you couldn't like a 360.

Got Bioshock preloading on Stream right now. Mass Effect, after beating KOTOR 1 and 2, I just can't take another game with those long drawn out conversation trees (I realize they improved them in ME) and RPG battle system. T

 

[ponyo]

My first impression of PS3 was "holy cow this sucker is big and heavy." Felt very solid and expensive. Finish is nice and it's very well made unit. I really like the slot loading drive.

I'm impressed from technology point of view of how they crammed everything into it. It is a marvel of technology. What I'm happy about is how the marketplace got this right. Sony arrogantly thought it could dictate higher price for its console and people would gladly pay. Market is teaching them a well deserved lesson on optimal console pricing.