Sorry, I didn't read over your whole post.
Was doing a report at work and just glanced over it.Yes, there are some sticking point between Protestants and Catholics, but if you truly believe that the foundation for Christianity is to accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, then all other things are transitory.
Well, BigJ i have to believe you when you say that because what other explanation could there be for you blatantly missing the point that it was about Christian Biblical creationism. In my neck of the woods I cannot fathom that mistake but I guess where you live things are a lot different.
The only fundamentalist is you. I'm getting sick of all these bitter atheist losers who have nothing better to do then point the finger at people who don't agree with them. I love evolution just like the next guy, but the way it's shoved down children's throats is disgusting.
This is how my high school history/science teacher taught evolution:
"Ok kids, listen up. Christianity is retarded. Therefore, science wins."
Seriously people.
This is how my high school history/science teacher taught evolution:
"Ok kids, listen up. Christianity is retarded. Therefore, science wins."
Seriously people.
Zenmervolt
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It's pretty clear that the Bible is not against knowledge nor wisdom.
Proverbs 3:13-18:
Happy are those who find wisdom,
and those who get understanding,
for her income is better than silver,
and her revenue better than gold.
She is more precious than jewels,
and nothing you desire can compare with her.
Long life is in her right hand;
in her left hand are riches and honour.
Her ways are ways of pleasantness,
and all her paths are peace.
She is a tree of life to those who lay hold of her;
those who hold her fast are called happy.
Proverbs 3:35:
The wise will inherit honour,
but stubborn fools, disgrace.
Proverbs 4:5-9:
Get wisdom; get insight: do not forget, nor turn away
from the words of my mouth.
Do not forsake her, and she will keep you;
love her, and she will guard you.
The beginning of wisdom is this: Get wisdom,
and whatever else you get, get insight.
Prize her highly, and she will exalt you;
she will honour you if you embrace her.
She will place on your head a fair garland;
she will bestow on you a beautiful crown.
The entire book of Proverbs is an ode to Wisdom and to being Wise. To claim that God is against the pursuit of Knowledge and Wisdom is to pervert His teachings.
ZV
I grew up and live in a predominantly Catholic town. I was technically a Catholic during my earlier years (because of parental persuasion), but wouldn't dare call myself one now for various reasons, none that insult Catholicism.
My school district taught evolution, and the majority of the kids in my school went to religion class. When the religion teachers were asked about evolution, they described evolutionary creationism. There was and is no push in my town against evolution, nor is there a push to get creationism (of any form) put into the curriculum.
And again, based on the title of this thread and OP, you hold the opinion that the vast majority of Christians disbelieve in evolution, and go on to even question Catholics as Christians and the Catholic "Mother Merry." To put it nicely, you are ill-informed about Christianity as a whole and are in no position to make sweeping generalizations and judgements.
The point of the OP was to point out to the Fundamentalists something they don't normally see or hear and that is that evolution is being accepted as FACT not "that a vast majority of Christians disbelieve in evolution," although far more than an extremely small percentage do as I have already proven. Mother Merry is mentioned as a figure of worship by catholics to point out a point of contention within the christian faith, idolatry.
"To put it nicely, you are ill-informed about Christianity as a whole and are in no position to make sweeping generalizations and judgements."
Neither are you so what now?
Zenmervolt
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Would you mind at least spelling "Mary" correctly? There's no need at all to capitalize the synonym for "happy".
("Merry" = "Happy"; "Mary" = a woman's name.)
Furthmore, Mary is not a "figure of worship" to Catholics. Claiming that Catholics "worship" Mary demonstrates a significant lack of understanding of the Catholic faith and illustrates a general unwillingness to learn even the most basic tenents of a denomination before deprecating it.
ZV
He's so ignorant about the Christian religion (and in this case, Catholicism) that he didn't even realize it was a shot at his intelligence.
I mean come on, he's trying to tell me who Mary is after I just told him that I was raised a Catholic.
Spelling errors? You're butchering the name of one of the most important figures in Catholicism, which shows you have absolutely no idea about the religion. Anybody who has spent even 5 minutes studying the basics of Christianity would know it's Mary.
Actually going back to the first point you said, that is a misnomer. Mary is considered as a person who intercedes for you to G-d. That is why Catholics can pray to different saints. Although, I don't necessarily agree with this and have found no indication from scripture, including Catholic text about this (The Holy Spirit seems to be the only interceder needed), I don't beleive it is a sticking point to salvation. If you do, then you have got it wrong. Granted some people seem to deify Mother Mary as more than an interceder in the Catholic faith, but the doctirine from Confirmation states that she intercedes on the person behalf. Again, although I disagree, I don't think it is something that goes against the main doctrine of Christian faith.
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There's a difference between a typographical error and a consistent mistake. To consistently mis-spell "Mary" indicates a core unfamiliarity with Catholicism. No-one who has studied Catholicism would continually refer to Mary as "Merry". A single error in one post? Sure. Throughout an entire thread and to the extent that he doesn't catch the mistake when others subtly point it out? Simply not possible.
The issue isn't the error per-se, but rather the gross unfamiliarity with the subject matter that such an error reveals.
ZV
Actually, Luthien. I think BigJ has a point. If you are going to expound on your knowledge of certain ideas, messing up the name of an important figure in your argument is really a big mistake. In any formal debate or trial, you would get eaten alive for that.
It goes with the saying "put up, or shut up".
**EDIT**
Added to that, your original statement is incorrect in stating the doctrine of of the Virgin Mary in Catholicism which I posted previously.
You don't know the correct name of one of the most important people in Catholicism, you think Evangelical Christians represent a large majority of Christians, you think the majority of Christians don't believe in evolution, and you parrot the crap your fundie friends throw your way about Catholicism not being a Christian religion.
You're an absolute buffoon when it comes to Christianity and the more you talk the stupider you look.
If catholocism is the only branch of Christianity that prays to MARY (for you BigJ) which I do believe is the case then being in the minority of believers they are in fact going against the main stream doctrine of the Crhistian faith. It is idolotry praying to a graven image of MARY instead of directly to Jesus / God.
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wisdom and knowledge are clearly not the same thing.
the seeking of Godly wisdom is encouraged... the seeking of earthly knowledge is not.
1 Corinthians 1
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."[c]
20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.
26Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things?and the things that are not?to nullify the things that are, 29so that no one may boast before him.
The Tower of Babel
1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As men moved eastward, [a] they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.
3 They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."
5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
8 So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel [c] ?because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth.
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