::shakes head::
Absolutely unbelievable.
Try reading your own thread. This issue was already addressed with Tony's posting of this link:
http://www.utulsa.edu/collegian/article.asp?article=1814
Catholics do not worship Mary. End of story.
::shakes head::
Absolutely unbelievable.
Try reading your own thread. This issue was already addressed with Tony's posting of this link:
http://www.utulsa.edu/collegian/article.asp?article=1814
Catholics do not worship Mary. End of story.
Evolution is not compatible with Christianity. There is no compromise. Enough with the insults douchebag. Go back to public school.
Contrary to public belief, Catholicism is NOT related to Christianity. Catholicism has more pagan overtones than any other Christian denomination. (The concept of a priest, attending mass, etc..)
According to Jesus Christ, his intent was not have to have purpose-driven churches and a religious hierarchy. Hell, he didn't even advocate attending church or listening to sermons. (both of which are derived from paganism)
Modern Christianity is far from true Christianity.
Consider reading this book:
Assumptions that Affect Our Lives
An intercessor does not mean a deity BTW.
Some Protestant Christians say prayer directed toward dead family members in moments of grief. I pointed out that I believe biblically that the Holy Spirit is the only intercessor necessary, but again it isn't a sticking point to salvation.
And you still fail to admit your lack of knowledge in this matter and instead choose to dig a deeper whole each time. Not a good move. If I were you , I would drop the subject, read up on it a bit, and come back to it later. But that is just some advice. You can take it for what it is.
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Ohh, I forgot about Coptics. haha... It seems like I need to do a little brushing up myself.
Too bad I don't have time anymore.
I love school, but I wish I had more time to study everything.Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Evolution is not compatible with Christianity. There is no compromise. Enough with the insults douchebag. Go back to public school.
::falls in line::
Yes, sir!
You can interpret Corinthians in a way that it is saying "Do not think your eartly knowledge makes you above god, or do not think thats you can understand all there is to god". Another way of saying "do not think that because you discovered "X" that you are not above the Lord". It does not say anything about it being a sin to pursue earthly knowledge, it says it is a sin to aspire to be greater than God.
A big hint to that is this part
25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.
The tower of Babel I am not sure I believe the story. I personally doubt the accuracy of the old testament as a historical/scientific document.
"You don't know the correct name of one of the most important people in Catholicism"
Phonetically sound identical so obviously I do know the name dumb ass.
"You think Evangelical Christians represent a large majority of Christians"
Already answered this your lying for jesus.
"You parrot the crap your fundi friends throw your way about Catholicism not being a Christian religion."
They believe they are the true christians and they are baptists btw. So your saying they are full of crap but your idolotry worshiping mary rectal spelunking evolution believing fundament is going to heaven... lol
All you christians need to unify or die. What you got at least a hundred different denominations. Silly christians.
Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Evolution is not compatible with Christianity. There is no compromise. Enough with the insults douchebag. Go back to public school.
Contrary to public belief, Catholicism is NOT related to Christianity. Catholicism has more pagan overtones than any other Christian denomination. (The concept of a priest, attending mass, etc..)
According to Jesus Christ, his intent was not have to have purpose-driven churches and a religious hierarchy. Hell, he didn't even advocate attending church or listening to sermons. (both of which are derived from paganism)
Modern Christianity is far from true Christianity.
Consider reading this book:
Assumptions that Affect Our Lives
:roll: SighHow come it always comes down to this? See you cogent people in some other threads.
The rest of you guys can stay here and have it out.
*Backs slowly to the thread doorway*
This should be fun.
Sure they may phonetically sound the same. Any person who has taken the time to EVER read anything about Catholicism (and a few other branches of Christianity where it's really forced in there good, but I'm using Catholicism as the example since that's what we've been talking about) would know it's Mary. You would simply NOT make that mistake if you knew anything about the religion. This just proves that your "vast" knowledge simply comes from discussion and no research.
Ahhh yes, Baptists. Figures. And I'm not saying they're full of crap. What I'm saying is their perceptions of Catholics are woefully ignorant. Just like yours. Which makes sense since all you are doing is parrotting their views.
I'd rather have a whole bunch of silly Christians than a person so absolutely ignorant on just the very tenants of Christianity that they make the same mistakes you've made.
Like DaShen, I'm out. You thought you could easily get away with bashing religion. Unforunately, this was not the case You've also shown your true colors insisting that all Christians should die.
Sure they may phonetically sound the same. Any person who has taken the time to EVER read anything about Catholicism (and a few other branches of Christianity where it's really forced in there good, but I'm using Catholicism as the example since that's what we've been talking about) would know it's Mary. You would simply NOT make that mistake if you knew anything about the religion. This just proves that your "vast" knowledge simply comes from discussion and no research.
Lying for Jesus? Even if you account for every single Protestant being an Evangelical (which is egregious as I said before), you have 25%. Not even a majority. Compared to the overall number of Christians on this planet, the number is very small. And for a definition of very small, I'll go with 10%.
Ahhh yes, Baptists. Figures. And I'm not saying they're full of crap. What I'm saying is their perceptions of Catholics are woefully ignorant. Just like yours. Which makes sense since all you are doing is parrotting their views.
I'd rather have a whole bunch of silly Christians than a person so absolutely ignorant on just the very tenants of Christianity that they make the same mistakes you've made.
Like DaShen, I'm out. You thought you could easily get away with bashing religion. Unforunately, this was not the case You've also shown your true colors insisting that all Christians should die.
Originally posted by: DaShen
How come it always comes down to this? See you cogent people in some other threads.
The rest of you guys can stay here and have it out.
*Backs slowly to the thread doorway*
Yes, Dashen this is what BigJ had to do because he got spanked when he couldnt understand we were all talking about christian creationism. BigJ had to pull out the spelling card and attack my intelligence card. lol
Zenmervolt
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Context.
The first example you cite is an instance where God is saying that He will remove those who persecute (note that persecution is not opposition and that simply challenging a Christian to defend his or her faith does not constitute persecution) Christians (actually Jews since Paul, in Corinthians, is quoting scripture from the Torah) by confounding the wisdom of the oppressors. To interpret the quote as a directive against earthly knowledge is overly simplistic. Appropriate perhaps for a Kindergarden-level Sunday School class where the child is not yet capable of complex thought, but thoroughly inadmissable as a theological proposition.
Likewise, the parable of the Tower of Babel illustrates the importance of humility and of remembering that there is something greater than mankind. The directive is not against earthly knowledge, but against allowing the pursuit of earthly knowledge to overshadow the Divine in out hearts and minds.
Earthy knowledge, in and of itself, is not frowned upon. There is only an issue when one begins to allow the knowledge of earthly things to overshadow the knowledge of the Divine. The two can, and often do, coexist peacefully.
If you really do believe that earthly knowledge is contrary to biblical teaching, you're going to have to give up a lot. Your computer is built entirely with worldly knowledge. So is your car. Your house or apartment is regulated completely by earthly knowledge, both in construction techniques and in building codes and regulations. Electricity is a device of man, and so are clothes. Your entire comfortable modern life is built upon a foundation of worldly knowledge. If worldly knowledge is indeed evil and discouraged, then you sin by using the computer, by driving your car, by living in your house, by purchasing food at a supermarket that is grown and harvested using tools developed with earthly knowledge...
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Meh, I say let him. There's still interesting thought to be gotten from this thread for a while from Sao. I disagree with him, but I'm really enjoying the back and forth and I have to commend him for his civility, I greatly respect that he is open to discussion and is willing to speak frankly and respectfully. :beer:
ZV
You know everything and are going to heaven because you spelled Mary correctly.
Everying I said is meaningless because you pointed out that I spelled Mary incorrectly.
BigJ your a silly silly twit.
Lying for Jesus? Even if you account for every single Protestant being an Evangelical (which is egregious as I said before), you have 25%. Not even a majority. Compared to the overall number of Christians on this planet, the number is very small. And for a definition of very small, I'll go with 10%.
Wrong again go back and read the statistics carefully posted them straight from wikipedia just for you. The entire Evangelical crap was started by someone else I never used the word evangelical until they specified that as the group that I must be talking about that could possible believe in creationism over evolution. Once again go back and read.
Ahhh yes, Baptists. Figures. And I'm not saying they're full of crap. What I'm saying is their perceptions of Catholics are woefully ignorant. Just like yours. Which makes sense since all you are doing is parrotting their views.
So, all the Baptists are just big dumb dumbs, lol. I do believe they make up like 20% of the USA christians. I am just pointing out to you what they think about catholics.
The point is if you don't unify you will die off. I am sorry you can't read between the lines. The message being sent by having so many denominations is not a good one.
Okay run away now bye bye. Yep, it was easy bashing christians. No effort at all.
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One does not need to know more than God to know with certainty that the earth is much older than 10,000 years and that biological organisms are interrelated through common ancestry.
No comment on the patent absurdity in your earlier post? Is the whole Bible literal or did Jesus speak in parables?
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The emphasis on sacraments and liturgy is simply a characteristic of episcopalian churches vs nonepiscopelian churches. For example:
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Ownage is in the eye of the beholder.
Regarding the percentage of Baptists: As a total percentage of the US population Baptists represent 12.9% of the population. Southern Baptists, which are denominationally and theologically distinct from the other Baptist denominations, represent only 7.1% of the US population. (Link here.) Total US Christian population is 71.7%. That means that Southern Baptists represent approximately 10% of US Christians. If you want me to leave aside evangelicals and simply go with Baptaist as you've specified, that's fine. It does significantly weaken your position however.
Big J has already answered the contention regarding "Creationism" versus "Evolutionary Creationism". Outside of the Southern Baptists and other Evangelical groups (which represent a minority within the American Christian community and a vastly smaller minority within the World Christian community) a reference to "Creation" is nearly infinitely more likely to refer to Evolutionary Creation rather than the literal account in Genesis. The polls you cite fail to make this distinction and lump Evolutionary Creationism in with fundamentalist version that does not accept evolution.
ZV
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I'm not going to read through all this mush.
The Bible tells you who is a Christian. Just read 1John. It's only 5 chapters. Of course, truly understanding it takes the rest of the Bible, too.
It doesn't matter what anybody thinks about evolution, catholicism, who is a Christian, or anything else. It only matters what God says. A Christian will look for their answers in prayer and the Bible, not ATOT.
The Bible tells you who is a Christian. Just read 1John. It's only 5 chapters. Of course, truly understanding it takes the rest of the Bible, too.
It doesn't matter what anybody thinks about evolution, catholicism, who is a Christian, or anything else. It only matters what God says. A Christian will look for their answers in prayer and the Bible, not ATOT.
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Ownage is in the eye of the beholder.
Regarding the percentage of Baptists: As a total percentage of the US population Baptists represent 12.9% of the population. Southern Baptists, which are denominationally and theologically distinct from the other Baptist denominations, represent only 7.1% of the US population. (Link here.) Total US Christian population is 71.7%. That means that Southern Baptists represent approximately 10% of US Christians. If you want me to leave aside evangelicals and simply go with Baptaist as you've specified, that's fine. It does significantly weaken your position however.
Big J has already answered the contention regarding "Creationism" versus "Evolutionary Creationism". Outside of the Southern Baptists and other Evangelical groups (which represent a minority within the American Christian community and a vastly smaller minority within the World Christian community) a reference to "Creation" is nearly infinitely more likely to refer to Evolutionary Creation rather than the literal account in Genesis. The polls you cite fail to make this distinction and lump Evolutionary Creationism in with fundamentalist version that does not accept evolution.
ZV
Concerning evolutionary creationism versus biblical creationism. Wrong it does because it says 55% of all americans believe we were created as we are today. If 55% believe that and 71.7% all americans are christians it is very easy to see that the vast majority of those that believe we were created as we are today are christians hence the reason why I mentioned the 55% of all americans to begin with way way back.
Here is my link which says 17.2% in 2001 baptists, lol. I believe that poll is a year newer than yours? LINK
You will need to scroll down a bit.
Oh, and another point! My survey sampled 50,000 while yours sampled 13,000...
Luthien, your trolling was looking pretty good at first. But when you refer to Catholics as, and I quote, idolotry worshiping mary rectal spelunking evolution believing fundament... you really make it obvious what your plan was.
As long as you remained disingenuous, you really had people going. But once you took it to ad hominem... you failed. Good going for a while though.
As long as you remained disingenuous, you really had people going. But once you took it to ad hominem... you failed. Good going for a while though.
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