Private Companies Cannot Refuse Service

[nehalem256]

If the argument is that they can't serve gays because it's against their religious beliefs, then there should be a legitimate basis for that belief within their religion.

As for the rights of a business, I agree with you in principle but unfortunately, it doesn't work that way in practice. Laws prohibiting businesses from engaging in discriminatory practices exist because such practices have been found to be harmful. For example, what if there is no other bakery in the area?

Yum.

 

[fskimospy]

But they are not refusing service based on the sexual orientation of their client.

The courts disagree.

 

[nehalem256]

The courts disagree.

And it is a well known fact that courts never ever make a stupid decision.

 

[Veliko]

I have no fucking idea and it's a dumb question. The constitution doesn't require proof from a bible but does cover religious freedoms. Do you think all religious beliefs are in the bible rule book and all have the same interpretation? In fact, I don't even agree with not serving a gay couple but that really doesn't matter because it's their religious conviction. It's not my religious beliefs being trumped. It's their belief it's their business....period. Find another bakery.

The PC in this country is beyond hope and is slowly going to be our demise.

You're predicting the demise of the US because business owners can't discriminate against homosexuals?

This has nothing to do with political correctness at all.

 

[SMOGZINN]

But they are not refusing service based on the sexual orientation of their client.

Their clients are still the gay couple getting married, otherwise it would just be a cake and not a same-sex wedding cake, and he would have no reason to discriminate. As I said before, it is actually in the wording.

 

[fskimospy]

And it is a well known fact that courts never ever make a stupid decision.

Let's just say that I trust the judgment of the courts over a homophobic misogynist on the internet.

 

[nehalem256]

Their clients are still the gay couple getting married, otherwise it would just be a cake and not a same-sex wedding cake, and he would have no reason to discriminate. As I said before, it is actually in the wording.

Someone doesn't understand the concept of a gift

 

[Victorian Gray]

(1) What does any of that have to do with same-sex wedding cakes?

(2) What part of the constitution is he ignoring? I don't recall any part of the constitution saying you have the right to a same-sex wedding cake.

Once again, 'dumb, 'sack' and 'hammers'. Keep up the good work.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So which of those things is the baker baking cakes to celebrate?

'dumb', 'sack', 'hammers'

btw, remember what this is?

 

[Victorian Gray]

What may not be a big deal to you may be a big deal to others. It just so happens that in this day and age the minority is allowed to rule the majority.

What minority might that be?

"A Gallup poll conducted in May 2014 found that 55% of Americans support allowing marriage for same-sex couples, the largest percentage ever measured by the organization.[14] The same poll found only 42% opposed, and 4% had no opinion on the issue.


A Pew Research Center poll released in March 2014 researched support for same-sex marriage among Republican leaning voters in the United States. 61% of Republican leaning voters aged 18–29 support allowing same-sex couples to marry, while only 27% of Republican leaning voters over 50 years of age are supportive.[15] 52% of Republican voters aged 18–50 support same-sex marriage.[16]


A Washington Post/ABC News poll from February–March 2014 found a record high of 59% of Americans approve of same-sex marriage, with only 34% opposed and 7% with no opinion. The poll also revealed that 53% of the population in the States that currently do not allow same-sex couples to marry approve of same-sex marriage. 50% of respondents said that the United States Constitution guarantees the freedom to marry the person of one's choice, regardless of that persons's sex or sexual orientation. 41% disagreed, and 9% had no opinion.[17] The same poll also found that 81% of people found that businesses should not be allowed to refuse to serve gays and lesbians. 16% disagreed, and 3% had no opinion. 78% thought that gay couples can be "just as good parents" as straight couples, while 18% disagreed and 4% had no opinion.[18]"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States#Polls_in_2014

 

[fskimospy]

What minority might that be?

"A Gallup poll conducted in May 2014 found that 55% of Americans support allowing marriage for same-sex couples, the largest percentage ever measured by the organization.[14] The same poll found only 42% opposed, and 4% had no opinion on the issue.


A Pew Research Center poll released in March 2014 researched support for same-sex marriage among Republican leaning voters in the United States. 61% of Republican leaning voters aged 18–29 support allowing same-sex couples to marry, while only 27% of Republican leaning voters over 50 years of age are supportive.[15] 52% of Republican voters aged 18–50 support same-sex marriage.[16]


A Washington Post/ABC News poll from February–March 2014 found a record high of 59% of Americans approve of same-sex marriage, with only 34% opposed and 7% with no opinion. The poll also revealed that 53% of the population in the States that currently do not allow same-sex couples to marry approve of same-sex marriage. 50% of respondents said that the United States Constitution guarantees the freedom to marry the person of one's choice, regardless of that persons's sex or sexual orientation. 41% disagreed, and 9% had no opinion.[17] The same poll also found that 81% of people found that businesses should not be allowed to refuse to serve gays and lesbians. 16% disagreed, and 3% had no opinion. 78% thought that gay couples can be "just as good parents" as straight couples, while 18% disagreed and 4% had no opinion.[18]"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States#Polls_in_2014

Now that he realizes his opinion is in the minority I'm sure he will change his mind about whether it should be legal or not. We don't want the minority ruling the majority, after all.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Have you not been paying attention to the point of this thread? No one is forcing anyone to marry anyone. What our Kangaroo courts are doing is forcing us into "rehabilitation" if we don't toe the line according to their beliefs...

Now your simply lie?

So sad.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Buying same-sex wedding cakes is tied to sexual orientation?

I didn't realize that straight people couldn't buy same-sex wedding cakes for their gay friends/siblings/children/parents/etc.

Repeating the same discredited arguments over and over and over and over and over still isn't getting you anywhere.

I'm tired of typing

 

[schmuckley]

Comparing pedophilia to homosexuality is almost ludicrous as the straw man you followed up with. I think you guys call that doubling down?

Not really,They are both forms of sexual deviant behavior.

http://www.definition-of.com/deviant+sexual+behavior

I see homosexuality has been removed from many of the online references.
PC at its finest.
NewSpeak.

 

[Pulsar]

Let's just say that I trust the judgment of the courts over a homophobic misogynist on the internet.

While I hate agreeing with you, this wasn't JUST a court decision. A complaint was filed with the state Attorney General, who found enough of a law violation to file a lawsuit. That lawsuit was prosecuted and the baker lost, and then he appealed to the state's civil rights commission. The civil rights commission is a bi-partisian appointed committee with the same number of political appointees from each party, and a small group who represents the community-at-large.

So this case actually went through a number of people, all who agreed that it violated the law, including a group that is as balanced politically as you can really make it now-a-days.

And if nehalem bothered to read the law it can't really be argued that the baker was breaking it.

 

[Pulsar]

Have you not been paying attention to the point of this thread? No one is forcing anyone to marry anyone. What our Kangaroo courts are doing is forcing us into "rehabilitation" if we don't toe the line according to their beliefs...

Our kangaroo courts, the attorney general, and a politically balanced commission are all in agreement that he violated a VERY clear law in Colorado, that was written by elected representatives and passed by their state legislature.

Stop going full retard just because you don't like the law.

 

[schmuckley]

Here's what the baker should have said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIKI7ArSvlY

As for the "re-education" thing.That is terrible.

 

[frowertr]

Our kangaroo courts, the attorney general, and a politically balanced commission are all in agreement that he violated a VERY clear law in Colorado, that was written by elected representatives and passed by their state legislature.

Stop going full retard just because you don't like the law.

Yeah your right. If its law it must be correct, right? After all there arent any silly laws on the books are there?

Majority being ruled by the minority. This country is truly fucked.

 

[Paratus]

Yeah your right. If its law it must be correct, right? After all there arent any silly laws on the books are there?

Majority being ruled by the minority. This country is truly fucked.

Good. I don't see any reason why a bigoted asshole deserves a business license so they can violate the law.

Bunch of cry baby bigots who are pissed that there might be the slightest impact for their illegal anti-American ways.

 

[himkhan]

Not really,They are both forms of sexual deviant behavior.

http://www.definition-of.com/deviant+sexual+behavior

I see homosexuality has been removed from many of the online references.
PC at its finest.
NewSpeak.

Some would argue it's simply old, intolerant people falling off the gene pool and being replaced by far more tolerant generations. Boomers gonna all die off eventually, when they are gone, so, too, will be much of the bigotry and racism that's still alive and well in the US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4NyDsJEoqo

 

[schmuckley]

Some would argue it's simply old, intolerant people falling off the gene pool and being replaced by far more tolerant generations. Boomers gonna all die off eventually, when they are gone, so, too, will be much of the bigotry and racism that's still alive and well in the US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4NyDsJEoqo

Some would argue that it's Orwellian Newspeak.

What does some white trash 20-something woman have to do with "Boomers"?

Sharpton spews that much and more.

It's a pretty far stretch from black to homosexual.You can't change being of a race.

Genetics vs. Sexual Deviance..not the same thing.

 

[justoh]

That's pretty fucked. A private business shouldn't be forced to serve anyone at all. Unless it's performing some essential service like electricity or even cable or something, or something quasi governmental, they should be free to refuse service to anyone at all, gay, black, whatever. All these laws do is strengthen bigotry. Compel someone to bake you a cake. fucking idiots. Jesus. And what's the training bit? They already know the law. Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[Angry Irishman]

You have no constitutional right to deny people the services of your business based on your religion. Similarly, if your religion said that interracial couples shouldn't marry you can't deny them either.

You open a business that serves the public? Serve the public and obey the law.

You do have a right to live by your religious convictions....do you not? Explain to me how supporting a gay marriage, let's say by being forced to bake a cake for that wedding, for someone who is religiously opposed to the concept isn't stomping on that persons rights.

 

[WelshBloke]

You do have a right to live by your religious convictions....do you not?

Depends on whether your religious convictions involve activities that would make you break the law.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Depends on whether your religious convictions involve activities that would make you break the law.

Well that's a pretty dangerous path to go down....another reason for the govt to not overstep boundaries. No one is murdering anyone because they don't believe in gay marriage. They are being forced to compromise their religious beliefs when the gay couple could just go elsewhere....problem solved.