Private Companies Cannot Refuse Service

[frowertr]

Is this "private business" on a pubic road? Paid for by straight and gay tax money? Does this "private business" take tax breaks every chance they can from both the State and Federal? Do they have lights outside their store that illuminate their business at night paid for by gay and straight money? Does the road that leads to their store get cleared of snow by plows paid for by straight and gay tax dollars?

There are hundreds of other questions that can be asked and if ANY of them are answered YES.. they don't own a private business nor do they get to pick and choose their customers by denying service to anyone based on their sexual orientation.

If they want to be bigots they can sell cakes and cookies door to door where they are free to pick and chose their customer base and stay away from the houses with rainbow colored lawns.

Your argument is ludicrous. Pedophiles and and other types of deviants also pay taxes. Should we be forced bake a cake for them too if they came right out and said what they are?? Perhaps even put a figurine of two minors having sex as a cake topper??

Get real man. This is America. You have a basic right to believe in certain ideals and not others. You shouldn't be forced to be "rehabilitated" according to the views of our Marxist government that America is turning into.

 

[frowertr]

Unfortunately, the guy went about this the wrong way. He gave the gays who wanted the cake too much ammo and they took him to court and won. If he simply would have said, "Sorry, my schedule is full on the dates you need that cake" we would never be talking about this. He admitted why he refused and the courts hosed him for it.

If the system is broken you need to learn to play by the broken rules...

 

[himkhan]

As I clearly explained they didn't deny service based on sexual orientation dumbass.

If their straight mother had come in to by a same-sex wedding cake for them she would have been denied.

If they had come into buy an opposite-sex wedding cake for one of their friends they would have received it.

LOL it's funny that you think that your little scenario doesn't make you the clear dumb ass when the courts prove your wrong time and time again. Even judges that hate gays would rule you are the dumbass. The only thing you show is that you are both a misogynist and a misandrist who is proven wrong way too often. You hate women, you hate gay men, what do you like? Straight men and gay women? I'd watch that with no qualms. :whiste:

 

[Vaux]

I wish people would stop with the false equivalence of black and gay in every argument. They are not the same thing, it is two entirely different situations.

 

[himkhan]

Your argument is ludicrous. Pedophiles and and other types of deviants also pay taxes. Should we be forced bake a cake for them too if they came right out and said what they are?? Perhaps even put a figurine of two minors having sex as a cake topper??

Get real man. This is America. You have a basic right to believe in certain ideals and not others. You shouldn't be forced to be "rehabilitated" according to the views of our Marxist government that America is turning into.

Comparing pedophilia to homosexuality is almost ludicrous as the straw man you followed up with. I think you guys call that doubling down?

 

[Vaux]

LOL it's funny that you think that your little scenario doesn't make you the clear dumb ass when the courts prove your wrong time and time again. Even judges that hate gays would rule you are the dumbass. The only thing you show is that you are both a misogynist and a misandrist who is proven wrong way too often. You hate women, you hate gay men, what do you like? Straight men and gay women? I'd watch that with no qualms. :whiste:

The courts prove him wrong? I guess the court proved abortion is ok too then, right? Or how about DOMA? Did the court prove the court wrong? What are the implications of that?

 

[row]

the owner fixed it, he quit making cakes. gays will have to go elsewhere.

 

[himkhan]

I wish people would stop with the false equivalence of black and gay in every argument. They are not the same thing, it is two entirely different situations.

Sorry but not in this context it isn't. Both protected classes you cannot discriminate against. What the court is trying to tell knuckle heads is that you can't discriminate against a gay person any more than you can someone of a different color. Not really that difficult once you read their rulings every time one of these cases comes up. It's actually pretty cut and dry for those who don't disagree with the laws. Some laws I don't agree with either but I sometimes I chose to follow them so that I don't get end up in jail, sued, or both.

 

[himkhan]

the owner fixed it, he quit making cakes. gays will have to go elsewhere.

Cake maker is the clear winnar then! I think they call that cutting off ones nose to spite their face or something similar.

 

[Vaux]

Comparing pedophilia to homosexuality is almost ludicrous as the straw man you followed up with. I think you guys call that doubling down?

Not ludicrous at all. I'm sure people at NAMBLA eat cakes too, hey.... fair and equal treatment!

 

[frowertr]

Comparing pedophilia to homosexuality is almost ludicrous as the straw man you followed up with. I think you guys call that doubling down?

Why? Your ENTIRE ARGUMENT is based off who is paying taxes. If that is all the strength you can muster to form an argument then that will easily get shot down time and time again....

Why am I arguing with a clown anyway? /sheesh

 

[Vaux]

By the way, F the courts. The supreme court and any other court can have any outcome based on who is appointed to it, and the direction the wind is blowing at the time. All of these 5-4 decisions should tell you something.

 

[himkhan]

The courts prove him wrong? I guess the court proved abortion is ok too then, right? Or how about DOMA? Did the court prove the court wrong? What are the implications of that?

You are correct. The courts proved him right by upholding the equal protection clause and siding against his bigotry! Your next quandary, yes, every time Roe V Wade is upheld. Next.. The U.S. Supreme Court struck down Section 3 of DOMA on equal protection grounds. Not so confusing.

 

[himkhan]

Why? Your ENTIRE ARGUMENT is based off who is paying taxes. If that is all the strength you can muster to form an argument then that will easily get shot down time and time again....

Why am I arguing with a clown anyway? /sheesh

I was speaking about why people can't just hide behind "private business" as an excuse to discriminate against protected classes of American citizens. This really isn't an argument by the way. Like I said, lots of laws I don't agree with but I follow them and if I owned a business I'd damn well follow this one, too. Not worth the head ache in a case no court is ever going to side with the business owner on. Not sure why you are getting so hostile. I'm neither gay nor need a good bashing. Pick your fights more wisely.

 

[frowertr]

Not sure why you are getting so hostile. I'm neither gay nor need a good bashing. Pick your fights more wisely.

Hostile? This is me being nice!! My wife would be proud!

And, in my defense, you do have a picture of "It" as an avatar so the clown comment was accurate...

 

[himkhan]

Hostile? This is me being nice!! My wife would be proud!

:thumbsup:

 

[Vaux]

You are correct. The courts proved him right by upholding the equal protection clause and siding against his bigotry! Your next quandary, yes, every time Roe V Wade is upheld. Next.. The U.S. Supreme Court struck down Section 3 of DOMA on equal protection grounds. Not so confusing.

Well if the kangaroo court says its so then by god damn they must be right about everything! Except for when they rule themselves wrong, I guess. I'm so glad that I have the court to think for me because thinking for myself is just too hard.

 

[alzan]

Gays are stupid.

Why would you want a cake from someone who was just forced to make one for you?

Eh, he can stop selling wedding cakes. There is a very good bakery near where I used to live that has never been in the wedding cake business and is doing quite well and has been open for years.

Beer and Wine stores do quite well, so do stores that don't sell cigarettes.

Correction: Public accommodation business owners who discriminate are stupid.

 

[Pulsar]

I've done a little more research. Colorado is one of the few states to have enacted a pretty much universal anti-descrimination law. The only place it doesn't hold is in places of religion. So, by law, in places of 'public accomodation', you can't descriminate based on sex.

One wonders what would happen if I went into a public female bathroom and used it (I am male). But I digress.

So they DID rule in agreement with their state law. There is no Federal law in place.

Interesting.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Except liberals say that marriage is just a contract between 2 people. So he wasn't discriminating based on sexual orientation. And in fact would have no way of knowing the sexual orientation of his customers unless they decided to wave in his face.

of course you fail to mention that they asked him to make a wedding cake for THEIR wedding..lolol

 

[bradley]

Work hard to make civil unions the equivalent (with the same legal rights and protections) as religiously sanctioned marriages. Start today. Problem eventually solved. Except that's not the problem being solved or created.

This about something more than marriage, it's about stepping on toes and validation and very transparent to me.

 

[Victorian Gray]

As I clearly explained they didn't deny service based on sexual orientation dumbass.

If their straight mother had come in to by a same-sex wedding cake for them she would have been denied.

If they had come into buy an opposite-sex wedding cake for one of their friends they would have received it.

Reading this reminds me of the words 'dumb', 'sack', and 'hammers'.

 

[Retro Rob]

Correction: Public accommodation business owners who discriminate are stupid.

Even my 3 year-old niece has reading comprehension skills developed enough to understand the context of that statement.

I see yours are still in their earliest developmental stages.

 

[row]

Cake maker is the clear winnar then! I think they call that cutting off ones nose to spite their face or something similar.

actually not what it's called at all professor. his business increased by 75% thru support for his religious convictions.

 

[drebo]

So let me get this straight...on one hand, we have businesses being forced to let Muslims take prayer breaks beyond their normal government-mandated breaks because of religious freedoms...

And then on the other hand, we have a business who's not allowed to refuse business based on his own religious beliefs.

Make up your fucking minds you moron liberals.