Prey Demo Available Tomorrow

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
My bro installed this on his POS P4-1.8GHz Northwood with an ATI 9000 radeon and it actually played pretty good for him. And it looked surprisingly good considering it was 640x480 with all the settings on low.

They should make a ton of cash with this game if only because it will run good on darned near anything, lol.

thats how games should be made

not like FEAR abd Oblivion that require you have the very best in your box to get some acceptable performance.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: cpacini
anyone else getting massive frame rate drops when a portal is on screen? mine dropes from 60 to about 10 anytime i can see a portal

Nope, runs steady smooth FPS. Then again, I do have a SLI rig. (thats with 4xAA, 16xAF, TRSS, and Gamma AA and Gamma AA is free though, no performance hit)

Anyone else think the topic title should be changed to "Prey Demo (now) Availible".

i havent been able to manage that, but you have 7900GT's i only got 7800GT's (which i think are starved abit of bandwidth....memory is like 1050mhz....my previous 6800 had faster mem)


2 x AA and 16xAF with all optimizations turned off. no gamma AA (though i may try it) and no TR AA

ill have to get FRAPS up as its probably doing more FPS than i think, but at 4xAA it did feel abit choppy. this is at 1280x1024

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: josh6079
Nice Demo. Very smooth with max settings, 6xAAA/16HQAF.

Do I need 24bit Z buffer depth? I have it enabled but quite honestly this is my first experience with an OpenGL title on the PC.

Prey is D3D, not OpenGL.

Uh no it's not.

joker (or anyone else with x1900xtx) can you comment on performance with an X1900XTX?

i will be purchasing one soon

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Apocalypse23
Good Demo, and yeah it did remind me of Doom3, as soon as I looked at the console. I totally dislike the multiplayer though, how weird can you get. The weapons also are a bit of a nuisance, but definately creative.

Here are some screenshots:
http://aycu26.webshots.com/image/2665/1279261523852054492_rs.jpg
http://aycu35.webshots.com/image/1514/1837224360854934968_rs.jpg
http://aycu09.webshots.com/image/2368/1400491314018729030_rs.jpg
http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/696/1244969117108803936_rs.jpg
http://aycu37.webshots.com/image/1836/1576750688783556684_rs.jpg
http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/2011/1574168536304350929_rs.jpg

PS- I thought they did an excellent job by incorporating the ruthlessness factor in the game. Anyone remember the scene in the demo when those two kids are locked in that room? That scene got me.

oh yeah where the little girl turns nasty and impales the little boy on a spike! i was like WTF LOL!

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: josh6079
Nice Demo. Very smooth with max settings, 6xAAA/16HQAF.

Do I need 24bit Z buffer depth? I have it enabled but quite honestly this is my first experience with an OpenGL title on the PC.

Prey is D3D, not OpenGL.

Uh no it's not.

joker (or anyone else with x1900xtx) can you comment on performance with an X1900XTX?

i will be purchasing one soon

josh6079 has one ran very nice for him.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: josh6079
Nice Demo. Very smooth with max settings, 6xAAA/16HQAF.

Do I need 24bit Z buffer depth? I have it enabled but quite honestly this is my first experience with an OpenGL title on the PC.

Prey is D3D, not OpenGL.

Uh no it's not.

joker (or anyone else with x1900xtx) can you comment on performance with an X1900XTX?

i will be purchasing one soon

6xQualityAAA/16xHQAF/max settings@1680x1050 here and nothing but smooth gameplay. I've got my core at 740 and my mem at 1700 though. I bet stock would do just fine at 4xAAA/16xHQAF/max settings@1680x1050. The game looks pretty good, except for the weird FOV and how it stretches images at the edge of the screen. That was with 100FOV though, I'll try 105 and see if it is better.

EDIT: Don't do the 105FOV if you have 1680x1050. The big gun's textures end before the edge of the screen. Stick with 100.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: josh6079
Nice Demo. Very smooth with max settings, 6xAAA/16HQAF.

Do I need 24bit Z buffer depth? I have it enabled but quite honestly this is my first experience with an OpenGL title on the PC.

Prey is D3D, not OpenGL.

josh could the FOV problem be your widescreen res? Or is this something everyone is noticing?
Uh no it's not.

joker (or anyone else with x1900xtx) can you comment on performance with an X1900XTX?

i will be purchasing one soon

6xQualityAAA/16xHQAF/max settings@1680x1050 here and nothing but smooth gameplay. I've got my core at 740 and my mem at 1700 though. I bet stock would do just fine at 4xAAA/16xHQAF/max settings@1680x1050. The game looks pretty good, except for the weird FOV and how it stretches images at the edge of the screen. That was with 100FOV though, I'll try 105 and see if it is better.

 

[imported_Questar]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: josh6079
Nice Demo. Very smooth with max settings, 6xAAA/16HQAF.

Do I need 24bit Z buffer depth? I have it enabled but quite honestly this is my first experience with an OpenGL title on the PC.

Prey is D3D, not OpenGL.

Really? Wasn't Doom3 OpenGL?

Yes. The graphics engine was re-written to use D3D for Prey. This is an Xbox360 title, it must use D3D.

"In the last week of June 2005 Kevin Franklin, our lead coder here, and Ben Cosh rolled up their sleeves and started to convert the Prey code base from scratch. Their first move was to get the engine running on the PC in Direct X rather than Open GL"

http://www.3drealms.com/news/prey/weekly_updates/

 

[imported_Questar]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: josh6079
Nice Demo. Very smooth with max settings, 6xAAA/16HQAF.

Do I need 24bit Z buffer depth? I have it enabled but quite honestly this is my first experience with an OpenGL title on the PC.

Prey is D3D, not OpenGL.

Uh no it's not.

Wanna bet?

See above.

 

[JRW]

Looks like OpenGL to me , In fact my monitor defaulted to 60HZ refresh which it always does on opengl games, also check this screenshot I took from the demo: Link

 

[JackBurton]

Guys, it really is using D3D...

Luckily, the developer has essentially gutted the engine's graphics subsystem and rewritten it to use Direct3D instead of OpenGL, resulting in vastly improved performance over Quake 4.

Link

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: JRW
Looks like OpenGL to me , In fact my monitor defaulted to 60HZ refresh which it always does on opengl games, also check this screenshot I took from the demo: Link

Why does it say that in your screen shot if other sites are claiming that it has been converted?

 

[quattro1]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Guys, it really is using D3D...

Luckily, the developer has essentially gutted the engine's graphics subsystem and rewritten it to use Direct3D instead of OpenGL, resulting in vastly improved performance over Quake 4.

Link

Go back and read the site, only when they get to the part about the XBox port do they mention D3D...

On the PC it runs OGL, XBox runs D3D.

 

[Griswold]

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: josh6079
Nice Demo. Very smooth with max settings, 6xAAA/16HQAF.

Do I need 24bit Z buffer depth? I have it enabled but quite honestly this is my first experience with an OpenGL title on the PC.

Prey is D3D, not OpenGL.

Really? Wasn't Doom3 OpenGL?

Yes. The graphics engine was re-written to use D3D for Prey. This is an Xbox360 title, it must use D3D.

"In the last week of June 2005 Kevin Franklin, our lead coder here, and Ben Cosh rolled up their sleeves and started to convert the Prey code base from scratch. Their first move was to get the engine running on the PC in Direct X rather than Open GL"

http://www.3drealms.com/news/prey/weekly_updates/

DirectX is not Direct3D. In the demo console it clearly says OGL renderer. Doh.

 

[josh6079]

I don't want to derail, but what exactly is the main difference between the two? Direct 3D and Open GL differ how?

 

[secretanchitman]

i get 40+fps on my 6600GT, 1280x1024, all settings enabled, 2xAA, 4xAF, medium shaders, high quality.

has a pretty cool story. this actually doesnt give me a headache unlike doom3...

 

[imported_Questar]

Originally posted by: Griswold

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: josh6079
Nice Demo. Very smooth with max settings, 6xAAA/16HQAF.

Do I need 24bit Z buffer depth? I have it enabled but quite honestly this is my first experience with an OpenGL title on the PC.

Prey is D3D, not OpenGL.

Really? Wasn't Doom3 OpenGL?

Yes. The graphics engine was re-written to use D3D for Prey. This is an Xbox360 title, it must use D3D.

"In the last week of June 2005 Kevin Franklin, our lead coder here, and Ben Cosh rolled up their sleeves and started to convert the Prey code base from scratch. Their first move was to get the engine running on the PC in Direct X rather than Open GL"

http://www.3drealms.com/news/prey/weekly_updates/

DirectX is not Direct3D. In the demo console it clearly says OGL renderer. Doh.

And in the quote I provided it cleary states it's not OGL "running on the PC in Direct X rather than Open GL"

Doh for you.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: Griswold

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Questar

Originally posted by: josh6079
Nice Demo. Very smooth with max settings, 6xAAA/16HQAF.

Do I need 24bit Z buffer depth? I have it enabled but quite honestly this is my first experience with an OpenGL title on the PC.

Prey is D3D, not OpenGL.

Really? Wasn't Doom3 OpenGL?

Yes. The graphics engine was re-written to use D3D for Prey. This is an Xbox360 title, it must use D3D.

"In the last week of June 2005 Kevin Franklin, our lead coder here, and Ben Cosh rolled up their sleeves and started to convert the Prey code base from scratch. Their first move was to get the engine running on the PC in Direct X rather than Open GL"

http://www.3drealms.com/news/prey/weekly_updates/

DirectX is not Direct3D. In the demo console it clearly says OGL renderer. Doh.

And in the quote I provided it cleary states it's not OGL "running on the PC in Direct X rather than Open GL"

Doh for you.

Guys, Prey clearly uses OpenGL. From the console log for the demo(selected portions only):

----- R_InitOpenGL -----
Initializing OpenGL subsystem
...registered window class
...registered fake window class
...initializing QGL
...calling LoadLibrary( 'opengl32' ): succeeded
...calling CDS: ok
...created window @ 0,0 (1024x768)
Initializing OpenGL driver
...getting DC: succeeded
...PIXELFORMAT 10 selected
...creating GL context: succeeded
...making context current: succeeded

...using GL_ARB_multitexture
...using GL_ARB_texture_env_combine
...using GL_ARB_texture_cube_map
...using GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3
...using GL_ARB_texture_env_add
...using GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two

using ARB_vertex_buffer_object memory
using ARB2 renderSystem

 

[Nextman916]

Why dont you guys just email the creators, everyone here has proof that its either D3d or Opengl. So get it resolved from the source!

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Nextman916
Why dont you guys just email the creators, everyone here has proof that its either D3d or Opengl. So get it resolved from the source!

That is the freaking source! It's the OpenGL initialization routine, I don't know how it could be any clearer.

 

[jim1976]

I made a small video which is in the "second changes" stage..
It must be something very easy but my mind has stuck..
Can anyone help?

 

[imported_Questar]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Nextman916
Why dont you guys just email the creators, everyone here has proof that its either D3d or Opengl. So get it resolved from the source!

That is the freaking source! It's the OpenGL initialization routine, I don't know how it could be any clearer.

Read the system requirements.
"100% DirectX 9.0c compatible 64MB video card"

Doesn't say anything about OGL. Did you possible think those init routines don't actually DO anything?

 

[BFG10K]

Did you possible think those init routines don't actually DO anything?

If they don't use OpenGL why the hell would they initialize it? I haven't tried the demo yet but I'm 99% certain it uses OpenGL.

In any case it's trivial to prove what API it uses by enabling transparency/adaptive AA and checking to see if it works. If it's OpenGL (like I suspect) it'll have no effect.

 

[Munky]

OpenGL has it's own shading language, and guess what - it also requires the same hardware shaders as DX9. DX8 shader HW may support simple OGL shader programs, but to use any kind of complex modern shader program you need modern hardware. DX8 hardware will not run complex OGL shader programs, even though DX8 or DX9 has nothing to do with OGL.

Also, according to Ati Tray Tools, Prey uses OpenGL.

But the game so far is hell of a blast to play, especially with all the walking on walls and ceilings, and ghost-walking.

*edit: here's a screen - prey.JPG

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: munky
OpenGL has it's own shading language, and guess what - it also requires the same hardware shaders as DX9. DX8 shader HW may support simple OGL shader programs, but to use any kind of complex modern shader program you need modern hardware. DX8 hardware will not run complex OGL shader programs, even though DX8 or DX9 has nothing to do with OGL.

Also, according to Ati Tray Tools, Prey uses OpenGL.

But the game so far is hell of a blast to play, especially with all the walking on walls and ceilings, and ghost-walking.

*edit: here's a screen - prey.JPG

Thanks for answering my question munky. This game is so fun to play as well, and it looks really good for the amount of gameplay you can get out of it.