Predictions for mueller's testimony

[HomerJS]

Schiff/Mueller: Accepting help from foreign adversary during a campaign is unethical and illegal

 

[brandonbull]

He wanted Mueller fired to kill the investigation which is corrupt. Trump was quoted as saying when Mueller was hired, he was "fucked"

Because special counsel investigations would destroy any presidency.

Additional quote from the Mueller report: The President returned to the consequences of the appointment and said, “Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins your presidency. It takes years and years and I won’t be able to do anything. This is the worst thing that ever happened to me.”

 

[brandonbull]

Schiff/Mueller: Accepting help from foreign adversary during a campaign is unethical and illegal

It is?

 

[Maxima1]

Barr didn't offer up his charging recommendation bullshit until he had the report in his hand. It's not like he went to Mueller & said "Forget previous constraints & charge Trump if you want."

I know that. I'm suggesting that it gives the opportunity for Mueller to suggest his own opinion on charging to the committee. He almost did it, and then walked it back. Why should the sole arbiters be Barr and Rosenstein who both belong in prison?

 

[HomerJS]

Because special counsel investigations would destroy any presidency.

Additional quote from the Mueller report: The President returned to the consequences of the appointment and said, “Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins your presidency. It takes years and years and I won’t be able to do anything. This is the worst thing that ever happened to me.”

Both Nixon and Clinton continued to function and had many accomplishments during their investigations by prosecutors with more power.

 

[brandonbull]

I know that. I'm suggesting that it gives the opportunity for Mueller to suggest his own opinion on charging to the committee. He almost did it, and then walked it back. Why should the sole arbiters be Barr and Rosenstein who both belong in prison?

Rosenstein is not out of the woods on the FISA warrant stuff.

 

[ivwshane]

Can't watch right now. Any republicans asking that or is it just the Dems? Until GOP start asking pertinent questions instead of rambling on about conspiracy theories this hearing is not going to be useful.

I was listening more than watching and I will say that at times I couldn't tell who were Democrats and who were Republicans.

 

[HomerJS]

It is?

If Hillary accepted help from Iran in 2016 you would say yes.

Legal:
https://www.fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/

I shouldn't have to explain the ethics taking help from an enemy of your own country

 

[HomerJS]

Rosenstein is not out of the woods on the FISA warrant stuff.

Why?

 

[brandonbull]

Both Nixon and Clinton continued to function and had many accomplishments during their investigations by prosecutors with more power.

Whether that is true or not, it doesn't change Trump's full quote of the famous "I'm f'ed" quote. The Dems cherry pick the quote to make it seem like he said "I'm f'ed" because he was doing something illegal and not because SC investigations essentially "freezes" a President for the duration.

 

[VRAMdemon]

LIEU: "To recap what we've heard, we have heard today that the president ordered former White House counsel Don McGahn to fire you. The president ordered Don McGahn to then cover that up and create a false paper trail, and now we've heard the president ordered Corey Lewandowski to tell Jeff Sessions to limit your investigation so that he -- you stop investigating the president. I believe a reasonable person looking at these facts could conclude that all three elements of the crime of obstruction of justice have been met, and I would like to ask you the reason again that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of OLC opinion stating that you cannot indict a sitting president, correct?"

MUELLER: "That is correct."

Then this?!..

MUELLER - “Now before we go to questions, I want to go back to one thing that was said this morning by Mr. Lieu, who said, and I quote, ‘You didn’t charge the president because of the OLC opinion.’ That is not the correct way to say it. As we say in the report, and as I said at the opening, we did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime. With that, Mr. Chairman, I’m ready to answer questions.”

Translation: "My boss wouldn't let me say that" - I dunno - this sounds like a feckless punt. This will be the only headline that is played on Trump State TV and repeated by every pro-Trump minion.

It does dispute Barr's characterization of his report, so it's still "useful" in that sense. And it doesn't really directly contradict what he said earlier, it just muddles it. Why muddle things in this moment where clarity is of the essence?

If he is saying that the DOJ regulation prohibited him from reaching a conclusion, he could easily have said that. In fact, he said exactly that (...as did Barr). And then deliberately rolled it back. In service of what?

A least this is clear...

Rep. Jerry Nadler: "What about total exoneration? Did you actually totally exonerate the president?"

Robert Mueller: "No."

Nadler: "In fact, your report expressly states that it does not exonerate the president."

Mueller: "It does."

I dunno...Getting these solid, short, factual sound bites straight from the horse's mouth makes it more difficult for Trump, Fox&Friends, and Republican cronies to spin the false narratives they have about what the report did and didn't conclude. It shoots down all kinds of claims they've made over the past months.

 

[brandonbull]

If Hillary accepted help from Iran in 2016 you would say yes.

Legal:
https://www.fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/

I shouldn't have to explain the ethics taking help from an enemy of your own country

You shouldn't but people involved with the Steele Dossier should be reminded.

 

[vi edit]

I just have a terrible feeling in my stomach that all that comes out of this is "Tired old man that spent two years on witch hunt can't remember facts and needs everything repeated twice".

That's going to be the right ring vacuum takeaway and spin.

 

[HomerJS]

Whether that is true or not, it doesn't change Trump's full quote of the famous "I'm f'ed" quote. The Dems cherry pick the quote to make it seem like he said "I'm f'ed" because he was doing something illegal and not because SC investigations essentially "freezes" a President for the duration.

The only things Trump has accomplished are...

tax cuts - McConnell/Ryan did the heavy lifting
Supreme Court - Trump was told who to pick and then McConnell changed the rules. Again heavy lifting
Rolled back regulations because he hates Obama

Trump is a lazy fuck so SC had no effect on these things.

BTW - The EPA was created while Nixon was under investigation

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm basing it off of Democrats own words. Are you unfamiliar with what your own party has stated they hope to achieve with mueller's testimony?

https://www.latimes.com/politics/st...ould-boost-democratic-support-for-impeachment

First paragraph in your link-

WASHINGTON —
House Democrats hope to boost public support for impeaching President Trump when former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III testifies to Congress for the first time Wednesday about his investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and alleged obstruction of justice.

We won't know the effect for days or weeks. Just because you remain unswayed doesn't mean that other people won't be. Your judgements are also premature, given that Mueller is still testifying, or was just a short time ago.

 

[fskimospy]

Because special counsel investigations would destroy any presidency.

Additional quote from the Mueller report: The President returned to the consequences of the appointment and said, “Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins your presidency. It takes years and years and I won’t be able to do anything. This is the worst thing that ever happened to me.”

Firing a special counsel because you thought it would inhibit your presidency would be a textbook example of felony obstruction of justice.

Like you are literally arguing that Trump committed a felony, lol.

 

[HomerJS]

You shouldn't but people involved with the Steele Dossier should be reminded.

Data in that dossier was created by both sides because neither wanted Trump. Fusion GPS was an American company.

What is the problem with the dossier? It was raw intelligence

 

[jackstar7]

Data in that dossier was created by both sides because neither wanted Trump. Fusion GPS was an American company.

What is the problem with the dossier? It was raw intelligence

The problem is that too much of it is true!

 

[Maxima1]

Data in that dossier was created by both sides because neither wanted Trump. Fusion GPS was an American company.

What is the problem with the dossier? It was raw intelligence

It was annoying seeing that crap repeated without any pushback. It originated with the GOP!

 

[brandonbull]

LIEU: "To recap what we've heard, we have heard today that the president ordered former White House counsel Don McGahn to fire you. The president ordered Don McGahn to then cover that up and create a false paper trail, and now we've heard the president ordered Corey Lewandowski to tell Jeff Sessions to limit your investigation so that he -- you stop investigating the president. I believe a reasonable person looking at these facts could conclude that all three elements of the crime of obstruction of justice have been met, and I would like to ask you the reason again that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of OLC opinion stating that you cannot indict a sitting president, correct?"

MUELLER: "That is correct."

Then this?!..

MUELLER - “Now before we go to questions, I want to go back to one thing that was said this morning by Mr. Lieu, who said, and I quote, ‘You didn’t charge the president because of the OLC opinion.’ That is not the correct way to say it. As we say in the report, and as I said at the opening, we did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime. With that, Mr. Chairman, I’m ready to answer questions.”

Translation: "My boss wouldn't let me say that" - I dunno - this sounds like a feckless punt. This will be the only headline that is played on Trump State TV and repeated by every pro-Trump minion.

It does dispute Barr's characterization of his report, so it's still "useful" in that sense. And it doesn't really directly contradict what he said earlier, it just muddles it. Why muddle things in this moment where clarity is of the essence?

If he is saying that the DOJ regulation prohibited him from reaching a conclusion, he could easily have said that. In fact, he said exactly that (...as did Barr). And then deliberately rolled it back. In service of what?

A least this is clear...

Rep. Jerry Nadler: "What about total exoneration? Did you actually totally exonerate the president?"

Robert Mueller: "No."

Nadler: "In fact, your report expressly states that it does not exonerate the president."

Mueller: "It does."

I dunno...Getting these solid, short, factual sound bites straight from the horse's mouth makes it more difficult for Trump, Fox&Friends, and Republican cronies to spin the false narratives they have about what the report did and didn't conclude. It shoots down all kinds of claims they've made over the past months.

"Total exonerating" could be for various reasons. The facts remain that AG Barr and Mueller has stated under oath that the President was not charged because of lack of evidence and not because of DOJ guidelines. You can't put out unsubstantiated claims about crimes without the proper evidence. Isn't that against some DOJ rules or guidelines?

 

[Mai72]

Wonder if this investigation will either hurt or help the Dems.

 

[brandonbull]

The problem is that too much of it is true!

Very little in the Dossier has been proven or verified and it wasn't started until Clinton hired Fusion GPS. This has been proven time and time again. What's next thing you are going to argue? The Earth is flat?

 

[zinfamous]

Whether that is true or not, it doesn't change Trump's full quote of the famous "I'm f'ed" quote. The Dems cherry pick the quote to make it seem like he said "I'm f'ed" because he was doing something illegal and not because SC investigations essentially "freezes" a President for the duration.

The thing about this is that both interpretations are true at the same time. see, we can finally #bothsides a thing and be accurate about it.

 

[HomerJS]

It was annoying seeing that crap repeated without any pushback. It originated with the GOP!

Trump and his people are so dept as lying the truth has to be repeated constantly.

Data in the dossier was created by the Free Beacon. A Republican publication. Dems took it over once Trump was nominated.

 

[zinfamous]

Very little in the Dossier has been proven or verified and it wasn't started until Clinton hired Fusion GPS. T

This is all, in fact, very much untrue. You clearly don't know the facts here.