Predictions for mueller's testimony

[compuwiz1]

Another big nothingburger for you communists to cry over.

Good grief! Were you born with the tact of a bull in a china shop, or did you have to work at it? People might have a conversation with you if you chose a better demeanor....then again, maybe not. lol

 

[K1052]

It would seem that Trump was so happy with how things went he spent about 20 minutes screaming at reporters on the WH lawn.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1154135084762447872

 

[SlowSpyder]

Good grief! Were you born with the tact of a bull in a china shop, or did you have to work at it? People might have a conversation with you if you chose a better demeanor....then again, maybe not. lol

This entire thing has had all the signs of a political witch hunt from go. Only those blinded by propaganda can't see this. This is just an extended tantrum raging on from Nov of 2016. What we see here is what happens when the everybody gets a trophy crowd doesn't get their way. The left and right have swapped places today. Today the left are the ones holding on to out dated ideas, pushing for group think, thinking it is ok to silence those that say things they find offensive, want to use law to force their morality on people, etc. etc. The right are the freedom fighters doing everything the liberals were fighting for 50 years ago. Watching these evangelical leftists today and their modern version of the Red Scare, their Racist Scare is painful. When they come back to earth and stop living in a land of melodrama I'll be happy to have a conversation with them (and I've had a few here from time to time to be honest, but most of it is just dung flinging from them).

 

[SlowSpyder]

It would seem that Trump was so happy with how things went he spent about 20 minutes screaming at reporters on the WH lawn.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1154135084762447872

This is not behavior outside his norm, though.

 

[dainthomas]

Whether that is true or not, it doesn't change Trump's full quote of the famous "I'm f'ed" quote. The Dems cherry pick the quote to make it seem like he said "I'm f'ed" because he was doing something illegal and not because SC investigations essentially "freezes" a President for the duration.

Fact: he had documents falsified

The next time you're under investigation by the gov't, instruct your staff to falsify documents that you hand over to them. Make sure to let us know what happens.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Impeachment is a given if Pelosi allows it. Removal can't happen if Trump ate babies with McConnell effectively being the Senate.

Do it as it proves the Dems are enablers of Trump for future Presidents or else the lesson to be learned is that the Dems have no spine so rinse and repeat. Setting a precedent in favor of more Trumps is as bad a thing as can be done.

In addition prosecute Trump once he's out of office for crimes committed.

 

[K1052]

This is not behavior outside his norm, though.

Usually we get a bit more gloating before he makes the turn in to angry confusion and lies.

Perusing most news sources I doubt the chyrons on the cable networks and headlines tomorrow are going to be particularly calm inducing.

 

[K1052]

Impeachment is a given if Pelosi allows it. Removal can't happen if Trump ate babies with McConnell effectively being the Senate.

Do it as it proves the Dems are enablers of Trump for future Presidents or else the lesson to be learned is that the Dems have no spine so rinse and repeat. Setting a precedent in favor of more Trumps is as bad a thing as can be done.

In addition prosecute Trump once he's out of office for crimes committed.

Congress has been surrendering power to the executive for so long I think they literally forget they have/had any. This applies to both parties.

Politically I'm unsure if impeachment hearings would politically damage the Democrats in any substantial way at this point. So far the prospect mostly leads Trump into arguing that he's made America more amazing than anybody in history which is a claim that doesn't seem to resonate with most people who aren't already hardcore supporters.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Usually we get a bit more gloating before he makes the turn in to angry confusion and lies.

Perusing most news sources I doubt the chyrons on the cable networks and headlines tomorrow are going to be particularly calm inducing.

The Republicans failed miserably to defend Trump. They keep complaining about the dossier and that Mueller didn't appoint people based on political loyalty but competency and professional integrity. They treated Trump's obstruction of justice as if they never heard of it for the most part.

As I said, impeachment is certain provided Pelosi allows it. I am beginning to think she's not concerned about Trump and Republicans but a challenge from younger members impacting her personal power and prestige. If she went along with them on impeachment she might consider that a bigger loss than anything Trump could do.

 

[Jhhnn]

The Republicans failed miserably to defend Trump. They keep complaining about the dossier and that Mueller didn't appoint people based on political loyalty but competency and professional integrity. They treated Trump's obstruction of justice as if they never heard of it for the most part.

As I said, impeachment is certain provided Pelosi allows it. I am beginning to think she's not concerned about Trump and Republicans but a challenge from younger members impacting her personal power and prestige. If she went along with them on impeachment she might consider that a bigger loss than anything Trump could do.

That's slimy innuendo, right?

 

[woolfe9998]

The Republicans failed miserably to defend Trump. They keep complaining about the dossier and that Mueller didn't appoint people based on political loyalty but competency and professional integrity. They treated Trump's obstruction of justice as if they never heard of it for the most part.

As I said, impeachment is certain provided Pelosi allows it. I am beginning to think she's not concerned about Trump and Republicans but a challenge from younger members impacting her personal power and prestige. If she went along with them on impeachment she might consider that a bigger loss than anything Trump could do.

Or it's exactly the reason she gave, that impeaching Trump without throwing him out of office will make it easier for him to be re-elected next year. I can guarantee you that nothing in today's hearings is going to change that calculus.

 

[ivwshane]

Or it's exactly the reason she gave, that impeaching Trump without throwing him out of office will make it easier for him to be re-elected next year. I can guarantee you that nothing in today's hearings is going to change that calculus.

If trump is impeached and not removed and the people re elect him then so be it, our democracy and the system of checks and balances our system relies on will remain intact.

However, if trump isn't impeached, despite obstructing justice, despite violating the emoluments clause, despite obstructing Congress from doing its duty, then our democracy is dead as we know it.

Impeachment, although a political process, is something that should be used as a matter of defending our democracy not something that is done for political purposes or not done for political reasons.

A failure of Congress to not impeach when impeachable offenses exist is a Congress failing to do is constitutional duty and I will vote accordingly.

 

[soulcougher73]

Another big nothingburger for you communists to cry over.

Are you now on the night shift at the russian troll farm?

 

[UNCjigga]

This entire thing has had all the signs of a political witch hunt from go. Only those blinded by propaganda can't see this. This is just an extended tantrum raging on from Nov of 2016. What we see here is what happens when the everybody gets a trophy crowd doesn't get their way. The left and right have swapped places today. Today the left are the ones holding on to out dated ideas, pushing for group think, thinking it is ok to silence those that say things they find offensive, want to use law to force their morality on people, etc. etc. The right are the freedom fighters doing everything the liberals were fighting for 50 years ago. Watching these evangelical leftists today and their modern version of the Red Scare, their Racist Scare is painful. When they come back to earth and stop living in a land of melodrama I'll be happy to have a conversation with them (and I've had a few here from time to time to be honest, but most of it is just dung flinging from them).

Into the SlowSpyder-verse we go!

 

[IronWing]

Into the SlowSpyder-verse we go!

If you're interested, I can sell you a copy of my ignore list. It's a real time saver.

 

[Atreus21]

Are you now on the night shift at the russian troll farm?

No, I'm on shift now. Spyder's got tomorrow morning.

 

[Jhhnn]

If trump is impeached and not removed and the people re elect him then so be it, our democracy and the system of checks and balances our system relies on will remain intact.

However, if trump isn't impeached, despite obstructing justice, despite violating the emoluments clause, despite obstructing Congress from doing its duty, then our democracy is dead as we know it.

Impeachment, although a political process, is something that should be used as a matter of defending our democracy not something that is done for political purposes or not done for political reasons.

A failure of Congress to not impeach when impeachable offenses exist is a Congress failing to do is constitutional duty and I will vote accordingly.

I doubt Democracy would emerge unbattered should Trump win another term & the GOP regain both houses. It might not emerge at all. It is as David Frum offered-

If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy

That's where we are, sad to say. I'll stand with anybody who stands against the GOP regardless of their judgements wrt impeachment. I'd have to be daft not to.

 

[DisarmedDespot]

My concern (actual concern, not UglyCasanova's 'transgender people,' concern) is that a successful vote to impeach followed by a failed attempt to remove Trump from office will be viewed as a failure for the Dems by the public. It'd make the progressive wing (and me, honestly) happy, but what if the whole thing is viewed as a pointless vote when Trump isn't removed from office? Plus it gives Trump a single thing to rail against.

 

[Perknose]

As I said, impeachment is certain provided Pelosi allows it. I am beginning to think she's not concerned about Trump and Republicans but a challenge from younger members impacting her personal power and prestige. If she went along with them on impeachment she might consider that a bigger loss than anything Trump could do.

That's a really weird supposition on your part. You do realize that even if the House brings charges, the Senate will NEVER convict, and Trump will bleat "witch hunt" all during the process, then take a huge victory lap when the Senate lets him off.

Nancy Pelosi is the adult in the room here. It's almost as if you don't like her for other reasons than the one you state here, because you're certainly aware enough to know that what I posted above is true beyond all doubt.

 

[SlowSpyder]

No, I'm on shift now. Spyder's got tomorrow morning.

I just got back from my PTO break.

Seriously though, another big nothing here. You guys do amuse me though. Trump will be impeached, Jussie Smollet story being real, Madam President, white privilege. Good stuff.

 

[SlowSpyder]

That's a really weird supposition on your part. You do realize that even if the House brings charges, the Senate will NEVER convict, and Trump will bleat "witch hunt" all during the process, then take a huge victory lap when the Senate lets him off.

Nancy Pelosi is the adult in the room here. It's almost as if you don't like her for other reasons than the one you state here, because you're certainly aware enough to know that what I posted above is true beyond all doubt.

I dunno. Today she has to try and frame her party as sane and as the real patriots while some of their most prominent members argue that convicted terrorists and child rapists should vote.

 

[ivwshane]

I doubt Democracy would emerge unbattered should Trump win another term & the GOP regain both houses. It might not emerge at all. It is as David Frum offered-



That's where we are, sad to say. I'll stand with anybody who stands against the GOP regardless of their judgements wrt impeachment. I'd have to be daft not to.

There are other options other than standing with those that prefer to do nothing and those who prefer to do nothing and who are wholly corrupt.

If Pelosi doesn't impeach, I'll be registering as a dem to vote for her primary challenge of which there surely will be one. I say this as someone who has voted for Pelosi for decades and who has defended her multiple times on this forum.

 

[Perknose]

I dunno. Today she has to try and frame her party as sane and as the real patriots while some of their most prominent members argue that convicted terrorists and child rapists should vote.

Roy Moore not only can vote, he gets to run for office in the Republican Party.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Roy Moore not only can vote, he gets to run for office in the Republican Party.

Convict him of a felony and I fully support removing that right and others, like his freedom.

 

[woolfe9998]

If trump is impeached and not removed and the people re elect him then so be it, our democracy and the system of checks and balances our system relies on will remain intact.

However, if trump isn't impeached, despite obstructing justice, despite violating the emoluments clause, despite obstructing Congress from doing its duty, then our democracy is dead as we know it.

Impeachment, although a political process, is something that should be used as a matter of defending our democracy not something that is done for political purposes or not done for political reasons.

A failure of Congress to not impeach when impeachable offenses exist is a Congress failing to do is constitutional duty and I will vote accordingly.

I get exactly what you're saying. This is the age old dispute between being principled and being pragmatic. While I might come down on a different side of that argument in an entirely different situation, I'm afraid pragmatism must prevail here. That's because the consequences of re-electing Trump isn't merely, as you say, "our democracy and the system of checks and balances our system relies on will remain intact." That is true only in a limited and momentary sense. And even that, barely so. Bigger picture will be the exact opposite. After four more years of Trump, I don't think much if anything will remain of American democracy. It's possible Trump could end up "President for Life" before the end of a second term.

Getting rid of Trump is a national emergency right now because Trump is literally an existential threat. Anything which makes that less likely is counter-productive.