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Originally posted by: Megatomic
Originally posted by: JackBurton
I'd like to let you know that the 1080p clips that I downloaded just b!tch slapped my machine around! :|

System
Mobile 2600+ Athlon XP @ 2.2GHz
1GB of PC3200 Crucial memory
ATi 8500 <= 🙁

Anyway, this sucks ass! :|
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How many frames were dropped or did the movie look more like a slideshow? Maybe it's time to upgrade the videocard...
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Well I was running a few apps while trying to watch the clips. Big no no. I closed all my apps and rebooted my machine and was able to run the 1080p clips pretty well. I had 44 frames skipped, and another had 7 frames skipped. It was just at the beginning though. After that, no skipped frames. But those videos takes all your machine has to give. :|

And yes, it's waaaay past the time to upgrade my video card. 🙁
 
Your mobo/cpu are more powerful than my own but with a 9800P I got no dropped frames. I had 3 IE windows, Outlook2K, and Windows Explorer open. It's gotta be the videocard unless there are problems with the A64 that I don't want to consider.
 
It's starting to look like this is another area where the P4 excels. Unless I missed it, no one with a P4 near 3ghz has had any dropped frames. BTW, if you haven't defragged lately, I'd suggest doing so before running the trailers.
 
Man, it was stomping my machine pretty good. I just did a reinstall yesterday and saw this thread just recently and gave it a shot. I haven't really installed any programs yet so this is a pretty good indication of performance on my rig.

My rig:
Athlon XP 2500+
512 MB HyperX PC4000
GeForce 6800 GT (stock speeds)

I lost 2217 frames at the above specs.

My second try, I decided to overclock the CPU to (10x200) 2 GHz and I lost 1844 frames.

My third try, I did Windows Update and updated WM9 and I lost 1759 frames.
 
bpt8056, thanks for adding to the database. What HDD and chipset do you use, and which Det's? If it's nF2 then running asynch with that ram is impacting performance negatively due to the latency penalty that plagues the chipset in asynch mode. I'd shoot for the highest synch speed you can hit stable and see if the extra bandwidth and lower latency help. If you don't have an 8mb cache HDD that is probably another thing holding you back. Also, install and try GSpot and see what it can tell you.
 
i just ran stormchasers with no dropped frames:

2.26 P4 (533 FSB)
GF4 Ti4200
1 GB PC3200 (running at 2700)
TB Santa Cruz
everything at stock speeds

here is the interesting part - i didn't use Windows Media Player. I used BSPlayer, with the KLite Codec pack (and WMP 9 codecs downloaded separately).

am downloading and running step into liquid now...

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okay, step into liquid was much worse. lots of audio pops and about 2 seconds delay on the audio...but i only dropped 17 frames.

hope this helps.
 
Thanks whoiswes :beer:

OK, here is the GSpot info for audio&amp;video decoders for the Step into Liquid trailer

video

audio
 
Originally posted by: bpt8056
Man, it was stomping my machine pretty good. I just did a reinstall yesterday and saw this thread just recently and gave it a shot. I haven't really installed any programs yet so this is a pretty good indication of performance on my rig.

My rig:
Athlon XP 2500+
512 MB HyperX PC4000
GeForce 6800 GT (stock speeds)

I lost 2217 frames at the above specs.

My second try, I decided to overclock the CPU to (10x200) 2 GHz and I lost 1844 frames.

My third try, I did Windows Update and updated WM9 and I lost 1759 frames.
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What motherboard are you running that system on? If it's an NF2 board, try running at 200MHz FSB with a CPU/RAM ratio of 6:6 (works best for me for some reason). I'd be interested in seeing your results based on those changes.
 
To answer your questions: I have a hard drive with 8MB Cache and my RAM is running at 200 MHz instead of 250. As for the BIOS, I don't have the CPU/RAM ratio adjustment in mine. My motherboard is ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe (nForce2).

I retested and there seems to be quite an improvement, but it was an unexpected feature that boosted the video playback. First, I tightened the timing of my RAM to 2-3-3-6 and that basically did nothing for me.

The score improved when I turned on FastWrite and now I only lost 408 frames this time. The video playback was definitely smoother, but there were a few hiccups. To make sure this wasn't a fluke, I turned FastWrite off and I lost 1708 frames. Then I enabled it again and it lost 274 frames. Does anybody find this weird? Maybe a coincidence?
 
bpt8056,

I just tried turning fast writes off and it started dropping frames so that is definitely something that needs to be running to help handle the load. It's becoming evident that WMV HD is putting the hardest smackdown on AMD based systems. While the P4 looks to be capable of handling it without dropping frames. That would indicate that it is not only the best encoding, but also the best decoding desktop CPU out there.

Thanks for the data Badjokesben, it's helping point to clockspeed being a big factor here, and having your vid card running with fast writes on is definitely a must. It has convinced me that the PVP on the 6800 isn't doing much of anything with this either.
 
Is there going to be WMV/HD acceleration for the R350/R360 family of cards? Anyone know?
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I fairly certain everthing r300 and greater will have WMV acceleration of at least some degree. I'm not sure what the hold up is, supposeldly a hot fix from MS is all they're waiting on...its been in the Catalyst Drivers "waiting" for a loooong time.
 
I've been watching 1080p clips for months w/ a 3ghz p4 and a r9800 pro. No problems. Aside from my monitor maxes out at 1280x1024. Little problem. 😛
 
Something else that is missing... MS does recommend HT P4's for WMV/HD in another product. Maybe a threading diff on the AMD systems? Just a WAG. Maybe there is a prefetch thread and a decode thread that are in contention and therefore dropped frames? Are you using NTFS compression on the drive/directory? That is a famous issue for AVI capture where file compress and AVI encode result in dropped frames. Maybe the reverse is occurring?

Dapunisher and rbV5: Do you have access to a 6800 or a X800? I know I am interested in knowing if the WMV decoder on the boards makes this go away.
 
gsellis, I'm using a 6800GT and dropping zero frames even with F@H on, but with the 9800pro I had I dropped 10 frames after stopping F@H, and 24 with it running. No other changes were made to the system.

No file compression in use here, but I'm convinced the PVP isn't doing much, if anything to help with the decode@this point. BTW, do you happen to recall where you saw that MS recommendation of the P4 HT? I'd be interested if it provides even a "marketese" explanation of what the P4 is doing to make playback so smooth.

Zebo, That is too funny! The inane drivel that is ATOT never ceases to reach new lows. BTW, if you didn't get GSpot working just start it up and it'll load all the audio&amp;video codecs, mine says 41 video, 21 audio. Then click on the square by path and direct it to the trailer after setting the file type to WMV. Next, hit the render button and it'll do it's thing then give you data you can click on to see the particulars.
 
i really can't d/l ANY large files on since i am on 56K (or less . . . way less).

HOWEVER, i did rent Step Into Liquid - the new HiDef Surf Video (recommended, BTW) - runs GrRRreEAT on my system (see "My Computer" in sig) . . .smooth as LIQUID. 😉

:roll:

Same thing? MS Win Hi-Def Video using MS player 9?
 
Hey my AT surf pal, did you play the DVD or the 1080p version? Yeah, I've seen it, good way to introduced the in-landers to what it's all about. Some great camera work too.
 
Originally posted by: bpt8056
I retested and there seems to be quite an improvement, but it was an unexpected feature that boosted the video playback. First, I tightened the timing of my RAM to 2-3-3-6 and that basically did nothing for me.

The score improved when I turned on FastWrite and now I only lost 408 frames this time. The video playback was definitely smoother, but there were a few hiccups. To make sure this wasn't a fluke, I turned FastWrite off and I lost 1708 frames. Then I enabled it again and it lost 274 frames. Does anybody find this weird? Maybe a coincidence?
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Interesting. When I first read this thread, and some reports of people with more powerful systems dropping frames when less-powerful systems didn't, I was actually going to post about checking AGP FastWrite settings. From your post, they do indeed appear to make a difference.

From the general trend of P4 systems having less issues than AMD systems, I'm going to guess that decoding HD WMV is very system-bandwidth dependent. Although I don't understand therefore, why an AMD64 system would drop frames, if it were otherwise powerful enough. Perhaps that isn't really the issue, after all.
 
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Hey my AT surf pal, did you play the DVD or the 1080p version? Yeah, I've seen it, good way to introduced the in-landers to what it's all about. Some great camera work too.
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both actually - preferref the 1080p version (it IS hiDef) . . . . i had MORE trouble retreiving the "license" than playing the video and now i am locked out again! 😛

GReat video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i love watching BIG waves (my own personal biggest best was "only" 25+' at the Pipe - top-to-botom - only "small/medium" by these guys standards) 😛
 
Hey VirtualLarry, I posted screenshots of what GSpot gave me if you want to have a look ans see if anything looks unusal, looks pretty standard to me. Fastwrites is a must, turn it off and things get choppier than the surf here during a hurricane 😛 I also defragged my HDD right after installing the new card so perhaps that helps a little?

In the end, I think that the strong multimedia performance of the P4 shows up here. I was just looking for an answer to why just my card being changed stop the frame drops, and was thinking the PVP was@play, but now that appears unlikely given others results. 😕 The one other setting I changed was that I increased my aperture to 256mb, beyond that I can't think of any other variables.
 
Do you have access to a 6800 or a X800? I know I am interested in knowing if the WMV decoder on the boards makes this go away
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I'm using a 6800 presently, and no NTFS compression, it'll be a month or more before my x800XT shows up (not holding my breath) Looks like untill WMV acceleration gets enabled, its going to take CPU power with any of the cards. At 2.28GHz, I'm not dropping frames on the demanding "step into liquid" demo.

Same thing? MS Win Hi-Def Video using MS player 9?
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The demo is just a trailer for the movie. I'm not sure if they used the same footage for the trailer or not, but I'm guessing the movie also has DRM, so hard to say but it should be even more demanding. You couldn't make a direct comparison, but you could look at the statistics to see if you were dropping frames for sure.
 
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