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CycloWizard

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There have been literally dozens of new threads today alone about voter fraud by one side or the other. Frankly, I think both sides are disingenuous in posting such threads as they're trying to make the fraud seem as one-sided as possible. Post 'em all here and have it out rather than killing the rest of the forum.

IMO, both parties are terrible. Both violate darn near every law known to man. If you deny your candidate's party isn't just as guilty, you're either ignorant or a big-time partisan. Have at you!
 

Engineer

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Nevada group - funded by RNC - registers both parties...then throws Democrat registrations in trash!


The out-of-state firm has been in Las Vegas for the past few months, registering voters. It employed up to 300 part-time workers and collected hundreds of registrations per day, but former employees of the company say that Voters Outreach of America only wanted Republican registrations.

Two former workers say they personally witnessed company supervisors rip up and trash registration forms signed by Democrats.

"We caught her taking Democrats out of my pile, handed them to her assistant and he ripped them up right in front of us. I grabbed some of them out of the garbage and she tells her assisatnt to get those from me," said Eric Russell, former Voters Outreach employee.

Eric Russell managed to retrieve a pile of shredded paperwork including signed voter registration forms, all from Democrats. We took them to the Clark County Election Department and confirmed that they had not, in fact, been filed with the county as required by law.

So the people on those forms who think they will be able to vote on Election Day are sadly mistaken. We attempted to speak to Voters Outreach but found that its office has been rented out to someone else.

The landlord says Voters Outreach was evicted for non-payment of rent. Another source said the company has now moved on to Oregon where it is once again registering voters. It's unknown how many registrations may have been tossed out, but another ex-employee told Eyewitness News she had the same suspicions when she worked there.

It's going to take a while to sort all of this out, but the immediate concern for voters is to make sure you really are registered.

Call the Clark County Election Department at 455-VOTE orclick here to see if you are registered.

The company has been largely, if not entirely funded, by the Republican National Committee. Similar complaints have been received in Reno where the registrar has asked the FBI to investigate.
 

conjur

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There is news afoot that Nader will be off the ballot in PA due to large numbers of invalid and fraudulent signatures on the petition.
 

conjur

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Labor unions sue Florida, counties over registration forms
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...olitics2055EDT0760.DTL
A coalition of unions sued Florida elections officials Tuesday, arguing that thousands of voters have been disenfranchised by the rejection of their voter registration forms.

The lawsuit is similar to one filed by Democrats last week. It accuses Secretary of State Glenda Hood of violating federal law for telling the state's 67 elections supervisors that they should reject incomplete voter-registration forms.

Hood's office told the supervisors to disqualify voters who failed to check a box confirming they are U.S. citizens, even if they signed an oath on the same form swearing they are. Officials have maintained that state and federal law require the box to be checked.

"Our argument stands across the board," said Hood spokeswoman Alia Faraj. "This is not an attempt by the state to do anything other than ensure there is uniformity in the process."

In addition to Hood, supervisors of elections from five counties are named as defendants.

"We think they are placing obstacles in the way of voters," said Judith Browne, an attorney for Washington-based Advancement Project, a racial justice organization involved in the lawsuit.

The lawsuit is one of several that have been filed in Florida, the site of the voting fiasco that held up the presidential race in 2000.

In a separate case, Volusia County said Tuesday that it will expand the number of early voting sites, less than a week after a lawsuit alleged the county would disenfranchise blacks by offering only one site -- in an area where few minorities live.

In Missouri, a federal judge ruled Tuesday that residents who vote from the wrong polling places, despite directions to go elsewhere, cannot have their votes counted.
 

conjur

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Bradbury plans to investigate election complaint
http://www.kgw.com/sharedconte...stories/D85MC9480.html
Secretary of State Bill Bradbury and Attorney General Hardy Myers plan to investigate allegations that a paid canvasser might have destroyed voter registration forms.

"There have been allegations made that someone threw out some voter registration forms that had been submitted to them," Bradbury told The Associated Press late Tuesday. "This is a violation of the law and I will meet with the attorney general in the morning to talk about what we can do to pursue this, and to make sure it doesn't happen again."

Bradbury learned of the conduct from KGW-TV, which interviewed Mike Johnson, 20, a canvasser who said he was instructed to only accept Republican registration forms. He told the TV reporter that he "might" destroy forms turned in by Democrats.

"I have never in my five years as secretary of state ever seen an allegation like the one that came up tonight ? ever," Bradbury said. "I mean, frankly, it just totally offends me that someone would take someone else's registration and throw it out."

Bradbury said the law requires that groups registering voters submit forms no later than five days after they were filled out. He added that canvassers can't turn away a voter because of his or her party affiliation.

Rory Smith, a spokeswoman for the Republican Party in Oregon, said the young man interviewed by KGW-TV was not in their rolls. "We do not condone this type of behavior," Smith told the Portland-based station.

In Nevada earlier Tuesday, KLAS-TV, a CBS affiliate, interviewed an employee of a private voter registration organization who said hundreds ? perhaps thousands ? of Democratic registration forms had been destroyed.

Eric Russell, a former Voters Outreach of America employee, told the TV station he had personally witnessed his supervisor take out Democratic registration forms from the pile and shred them.

A spokesman for the Las Vegas bureau of the FBI said he did not know if an investigation had been initiated.
 

CycloWizard

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I've never really followed any of the previous elections (since I was too young to care). Is this kind of vote fraud common, or does it seem to be a particular of this election? Seems that something definitely needs to be done to reform the system - maybe tying voter registration to tax filing. If you don't pay your taxes, you can't vote, plus your address is updated every year.
 

gutharius

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I've never really followed any of the previous elections (since I was too young to care). Is this kind of vote fraud common, or does it seem to be a particular of this election? Seems that something definitely needs to be done to reform the system - maybe tying voter registration to tax filing. If you don't pay your taxes, you can't vote, plus your address is updated every year.

That seems really extreme. Voting is a right and should stay a right no matter what. To you question to my knowledge this is something that has happened off and on during american politics. But it is especially so during tight races where every vote is so much more important. It is elections like these that squeeze the corruption out of the system by exposing the cracks in the foundation so we cna fix them until the next tight race comes along.
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
There have been literally dozens of new threads today alone about voter fraud by one side or the other. Frankly, I think both sides are disingenuous in posting such threads as they're trying to make the fraud seem as one-sided as possible. Post 'em all here and have it out rather than killing the rest of the forum.

IMO, both parties are terrible. Both violate darn near every law known to man. If you deny your candidate's party isn't just as guilty, you're either ignorant or a big-time partisan. Have at you!

Do you have any examples of Democratic vote fraud for your thread? It looks like the Repuglicans are firmly in the sleaze lead so far.
 

NesuD

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Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
There have been literally dozens of new threads today alone about voter fraud by one side or the other. Frankly, I think both sides are disingenuous in posting such threads as they're trying to make the fraud seem as one-sided as possible. Post 'em all here and have it out rather than killing the rest of the forum.

IMO, both parties are terrible. Both violate darn near every law known to man. If you deny your candidate's party isn't just as guilty, you're either ignorant or a big-time partisan. Have at you!

Do you have any examples of Democratic vote fraud for your thread? It looks like the Repuglicans are firmly in the sleaze lead so far.

Tennessee
Cleveland
Michigan
West Virginia
New Mexico
Wisconsin


Here are a few taken from Burnedouts post in the thread Cad has linked. These should get you started but there are many more examples linked in Cads thread. Looks to me like there is plenty of suspicious activity on both sides of the fence. I know here in Michigan that it seems the left has a pretty good lock on questionable voter registration activity. Haven't seen anything really credible here about any misdeeds from the right here. There were some pretty wild accusations made by Former Detroit mayor Dennis Archer yesterday on a local radio show but there was absolutely nothing to substantiate any of it. Looks like the Dem strategy here in Michigan is to make wild unsubstantiated accusations while ignoring the documented activity of their own operatives.
 

Jhhnn

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Yeh, well, guys, not one of the allegations against Dems claim that they've attempted to disenfranchise anybody, particularly not any actions by Dems in positions of power.

Nor is there a money trail leading straight to the door of Dems, as there is in the Nevada investigation, or with the financing of Nader...

Back to the bit about incomplete forms, lordtyranus? how utterly disingenuous. How many times should a person have to assert their citizenship on the same form? Is once enough? Or is the fact that some Florida Counties ignore the edict while others accept it a pertinent point?

Much of the furor over alleged issues with the Dems can be traced to registration workers paid by the head- they fluff up their numbers and paychecks with non-existent voters... doesn't mean any of these entities will actually vote. OTOH, a voter denied registration can only fill out a provisional ballot at the polls, if theiy know what to ask for, and then it isn't a full ballot...
 

Train

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yes please, lets sticky this one and corral all related posts into here.

And let the Swift Boat and Bush Guard threads drop already, I'm sick of scrolling past them.
 

wiin

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I-Team investigation uncovers voter registration fraud
Some of the registration drive workers earn $2 per application or about $10 an hour. One woman admitted to forging three people's names on about 40 voter registration applications. Kym Cason says she was helping her boyfriend earn more money from a get-out-the-vote organization called ACORN or Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. ACORN works with low or moderate-income families on housing issues. Cason said her extra registrations earned her boyfriend $50.

Gerald Obi says workers pressured him to keep registering to vote so they too could earn extra cash. When asked how many times he had registered this year, Obi said, "about 35 times."

I-Team report on voter registration fraud - Part II
Jim Fleshman, the regional supervisor for ACORN, told 9News tonight that the organization would fire any worker who did not deliver the required 5 applications per hour. ACORN claims to be a nonpartisan organization that works with low-income families.

9News also found a few bogus forms from the New Voters Project and the Colorado Progressive Coalition.

Garcia: County e-vote in jeopardy
Similar names registered in some households. One example listed a "Michael Vincent" and a "Vincent Michael Norte" registered less than a year apart and sharing the same birthdate and residence.
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Voter suppression charges on the rise
Democrats cry foul while Republicans call it a myth
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6242175/
DETROIT - On the WCBH radio show, "Inside Detroit", callers are already worried. They?re angry about reports that Republicans have a plan to intimidate black voters, who overwhelmingly vote Democratic.

"It's very real. It's as real as you and I," says Detroit NAACP President Rev. Wendell Anthony.

Anthony says suppression includes tougher enforcement of voting standards in black areas, even subtle threats, usually hard to prove, but now, he says there's a smoking gun ? Republican state legislator John Pappageorge, who this summer said, "If we do not suppress the Detroit vote, we're going to have a tough time in this election."

Anthony?s confident that Pappageorge revealed a Republican strategy of suppressing the black vote in Detroit.

?He could not have done a better job unless he'd come to the city clerk's office and burned a cross on the steps," says Rev. Anthony.

Allegations of suppression and intimidation of the minority vote are not new. What is new this year is the intensity of those charges and how frequently they're arising ? not only in Detroit, but across the nation.

In South Dakota, Democrats have accused Republicans of suppressing the vote of Native Americans. In New Mexico, it's Hispanics ? another Democratic stronghold. In Florida last week, black leaders demanded an early voting site in black neighborhoods.

But Republicans say voter suppression is a myth made up by Democrats to fire up minority voters.

"Regrettably, Democrats have resorted to charges of voter suppression as their best get-out-the-vote mechanism on Election Day," says Republican attorney Ben Ginsberg.

John Pappageorge says his comment about suppressing the vote was completely distorted by Democrats. He claims he was talking about a local issue that had nothing to do with race.

"I was talking about changing voter preferences in Detroit because of the issue that was on the ballot in Detoit only -- dealing with medical marijuana," says Pappageorge.

Republicans say that's exactly how voter suppression myths are created, while Democrats say such explanations simply don't make sense. It's yet another example of this nation's deep political divide.

I've a feeling unless we see a decided victory toward Kerry or to Bush, the mess of 2000 will seem like a slight disagreement.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: conjur
Voter suppression charges on the rise
Democrats cry foul while Republicans call it a myth
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6242175/
DETROIT - On the WCBH radio show, "Inside Detroit", callers are already worried. They?re angry about reports that Republicans have a plan to intimidate black voters, who overwhelmingly vote Democratic.

"It's very real. It's as real as you and I," says Detroit NAACP President Rev. Wendell Anthony.

Anthony says suppression includes tougher enforcement of voting standards in black areas, even subtle threats, usually hard to prove, but now, he says there's a smoking gun ? Republican state legislator John Pappageorge, who this summer said, "If we do not suppress the Detroit vote, we're going to have a tough time in this election."

Anthony?s confident that Pappageorge revealed a Republican strategy of suppressing the black vote in Detroit.

?He could not have done a better job unless he'd come to the city clerk's office and burned a cross on the steps," says Rev. Anthony.

Allegations of suppression and intimidation of the minority vote are not new. What is new this year is the intensity of those charges and how frequently they're arising ? not only in Detroit, but across the nation.

In South Dakota, Democrats have accused Republicans of suppressing the vote of Native Americans. In New Mexico, it's Hispanics ? another Democratic stronghold. In Florida last week, black leaders demanded an early voting site in black neighborhoods.

But Republicans say voter suppression is a myth made up by Democrats to fire up minority voters.

"Regrettably, Democrats have resorted to charges of voter suppression as their best get-out-the-vote mechanism on Election Day," says Republican attorney Ben Ginsberg.

John Pappageorge says his comment about suppressing the vote was completely distorted by Democrats. He claims he was talking about a local issue that had nothing to do with race.

"I was talking about changing voter preferences in Detroit because of the issue that was on the ballot in Detoit only -- dealing with medical marijuana," says Pappageorge.

Republicans say that's exactly how voter suppression myths are created, while Democrats say such explanations simply don't make sense. It's yet another example of this nation's deep political divide.

I've a feeling unless we see a decided victory toward Kerry or to Bush, the mess of 2000 will seem like a slight disagreement.

You really believe that FUD? They *claim* Republicans are going to .... Sure, don't mind we already have how many cases of unions and others storming campaign HQs, intimidating the workers and just generally causing a mess and disturbance?
Yeah...the Republicans...:roll:

Same old playbook from the left...

CsG
 

conjur

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The GOP here in Louisville is already under fire for planning to put challengers in many precincts in the West End of Louisville (poorest section of town.)