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conjur

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Not according to that article. Sounds like maybe some Republican radicals (not GOP-endorsed) are looking to disenfranchise some potential Kerry voters.


And, then we have this. This is messed up:

Some Voters Say Machines Failed, Incorrect Choices Appear on Screens
http://abqjournal.com/elex/246845elex10-22-04.htm
Kim Griffith voted on Thursday? over and over and over.

She's among the people in Bernalillo and Sandoval counties who say they have had trouble with early voting equipment. When they have tried to vote for a particular candidate, the touch-screen system has said they voted for somebody else.

It's a problem that can be fixed by the voters themselves? people can alter the selections on their ballots, up to the point when they indicate they are finished and officially cast the ballot.

For Griffith, it took a lot of altering.

She went to Valle Del Norte Community Center in Albuquerque, planning to vote for John Kerry. "I pushed his name, but a green check mark appeared before President Bush's name," she said.

Griffith erased the vote by touching the check mark at Bush's name. That's how a voter can alter a touch-screen ballot.

She again tried to vote for Kerry, but the screen again said she had voted for Bush. The third time, the screen agreed that her vote should go to Kerry.


She faced the same problem repeatedly as she filled out the rest of the ballot. On one item, "I had to vote five or six times," she said.

Michael Cadigan, president of the Albuquerque City Council, had a similar experience when he voted at City Hall.

"I cast my vote for president. I voted for Kerry and a check mark for Bush appeared," he said.

He reported the problem immediately and was shown how to alter the ballot.

Cadigan said he doesn't think he made a mistake the first time. "I was extremely careful to accurately touch the button for my choice for president," but the check mark appeared by the wrong name, he said.

Bernalillo County Clerk Mary Herrera said she doesn't believe the touch-screen system has been making mistakes. It's the fault of voters, she said Thursday.

Cadigan, for example, could have "leaned his palm on the touch screen and it hit the wrong button," she said.

In Sandoval County, three Rio Rancho residents said they had a similar problem, with opposite results. They said a touch-screen machine switched their presidential votes from Bush to Kerry.

Bureau of Elections Manager Eddie Gutierrez also said he doesn't believe there are problems with the machines.

But Gutierrez did replace one after someone complained? even though he found nothing wrong with it.

"He (the voter) felt so strongly about it, that I shut it down," Gutierrez said.

Herrera said she's heard stories from Democrats and Republicans. In some cases, when people have tried to vote a straight ticket, the screen has given their votes to every candidate in the opposite political party, she said.

She believes it's a people problem. "I have confidence in the machines," she said. "They are touch screens. People are touching them with their palms, or leaning their hand. ... They're hitting the wrong button."

Herrera and others said voters should be diligent about reviewing their touch-screen ballots so they can make alterations.

Griffith said she's afraid some votes will go to the wrong candidates by accident. "People need to know that they have to be careful," she said.

"I'm concerned that people who don't check and double-check will try to vote for a candidate and not realize that the vote went to another candidate," she said.

Not too hard to improperly calibrate the touch screens to make a touch in one area act as a click in a different area.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Apparently it's difficult for some retards to press the right area of the screen though.
Hey, shinerburke! Is this some of that "tolerance" from the right?
 

lordtyranus

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Like your rather amusing accusation of voting officials of rigging the screen? At least we have proof from 2000 that there are many retarded voters.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Like your rather amusing accusation of voting officials of rigging the screen? At least we have proof from 2000 that there are many retarded voters.
You're, what, in the 5th grade? Or is it that "retarded" is just your favorite word? Perhaps you should change your name up here to Beavis or Butthead .
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Apparently it's difficult for some retards to press the right area of the screen though.
Hey, shinerburke! Is this some of that "tolerance" from the right?

In all fairness, I believe he was in junior high or elementary school in 2000.
 

lordtyranus

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Way to not address the point and instead resort to personal attacks.

Funny that you mention 5th grade though. It was shown after the 2000 election that 5th graders could handle those butterfly ballots, even though it was too difficult for Gore supporters to vote properly. Coincidence?
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Like your rather amusing accusation of voting officials of rigging the screen? At least we have proof from 2000 that there are many retarded voters.


Time to get a new account. Your new identity is unravelling. I can only guess you weren't getting the kinds of flames you wanted so you started dropping stuff like, "non-american deaths don't count."
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: conjur
Not according to that article. Sounds like maybe some Republican radicals (not GOP-endorsed) are looking to disenfranchise some potential Kerry voters.


And, then we have this. This is messed up:

Some Voters Say Machines Failed, Incorrect Choices Appear on Screens
http://abqjournal.com/elex/246845elex10-22-04.htm
Kim Griffith voted on Thursday? over and over and over.

She's among the people in Bernalillo and Sandoval counties who say they have had trouble with early voting equipment. When they have tried to vote for a particular candidate, the touch-screen system has said they voted for somebody else.

It's a problem that can be fixed by the voters themselves? people can alter the selections on their ballots, up to the point when they indicate they are finished and officially cast the ballot.

For Griffith, it took a lot of altering.

She went to Valle Del Norte Community Center in Albuquerque, planning to vote for John Kerry. "I pushed his name, but a green check mark appeared before President Bush's name," she said.

Griffith erased the vote by touching the check mark at Bush's name. That's how a voter can alter a touch-screen ballot.

She again tried to vote for Kerry, but the screen again said she had voted for Bush. The third time, the screen agreed that her vote should go to Kerry.


She faced the same problem repeatedly as she filled out the rest of the ballot. On one item, "I had to vote five or six times," she said.

Michael Cadigan, president of the Albuquerque City Council, had a similar experience when he voted at City Hall.

"I cast my vote for president. I voted for Kerry and a check mark for Bush appeared," he said.

He reported the problem immediately and was shown how to alter the ballot.

Cadigan said he doesn't think he made a mistake the first time. "I was extremely careful to accurately touch the button for my choice for president," but the check mark appeared by the wrong name, he said.

Bernalillo County Clerk Mary Herrera said she doesn't believe the touch-screen system has been making mistakes. It's the fault of voters, she said Thursday.

Cadigan, for example, could have "leaned his palm on the touch screen and it hit the wrong button," she said.

In Sandoval County, three Rio Rancho residents said they had a similar problem, with opposite results. They said a touch-screen machine switched their presidential votes from Bush to Kerry.

Bureau of Elections Manager Eddie Gutierrez also said he doesn't believe there are problems with the machines.

But Gutierrez did replace one after someone complained? even though he found nothing wrong with it.

"He (the voter) felt so strongly about it, that I shut it down," Gutierrez said.

Herrera said she's heard stories from Democrats and Republicans. In some cases, when people have tried to vote a straight ticket, the screen has given their votes to every candidate in the opposite political party, she said.

She believes it's a people problem. "I have confidence in the machines," she said. "They are touch screens. People are touching them with their palms, or leaning their hand. ... They're hitting the wrong button."

Herrera and others said voters should be diligent about reviewing their touch-screen ballots so they can make alterations.

Griffith said she's afraid some votes will go to the wrong candidates by accident. "People need to know that they have to be careful," she said.

"I'm concerned that people who don't check and double-check will try to vote for a candidate and not realize that the vote went to another candidate," she said.

Not too hard to improperly calibrate the touch screens to make a touch in one area act as a click in a different area.



And now we have this:

Voters report fake calls
Instructions to change polling place don?t come from board of elections
http://www.columbusdispatch.co...22/20041022-A1-00.html
The caller interrupting a North Side couple?s dinner earlier this week said he was from the Franklin County Board of Elections.

He told the elderly woman that her voting site had changed and that on Nov. 2 she and her husband should cast their ballots at a South Side precinct. The caller even left the phone number of the board.

Her husband, who didn?t want their names published out of fear of retribution, called the board, sat through a long menu of automated options and finally spoke with an employee.

"They said there was no way in the world they would make such a call," he said. "I think it?s hankypanky and somebody in the election is trying to kill some votes."

At no time, Elections Director Matthew Damschroder said, does the board call voters.

"The only communication from the board of elections is printed on official board of elections paper with the logo," he said.

"If they?re saying they?re the board of elections, that?s a violation of the law. My recommendation to them would be to cease and desist."

His office has received about a dozen calls since last week from voters checking on similar calls.

Damschroder said there are two scams: The caller tells voters their precincts have changed or the caller offers to pick up an absentee-ballot application, deliver the ballot to the voter and return the completed ballot to the elections office.

By law, the elections board mails absentee ballots and the only deliveries are made to voters in nursing homes by both a Republican and Democratic elections worker. The only person who can return an absentee ballot, besides the voter, is an immediate family member.

"People are calling saying, ?I got a call last night when I was watching Oprah from this group,? " Damschroder said. "By law, the board of elections does not give anybody a ballot to deliver."

Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, said he hadn?t heard about the scams. But he said he was glad to hear that voters who had received calls reported them to the elections board.

"Election fraud, voter intimidation or providing voters with wrong information is unacceptable," he said. "Anyone engaging in this activity will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

"Anyone contemplating this type of malicious activity should think twice."

All county boards of elections already had planned to send cards informing voters of their voting precinct, Damschroder said, a move that could combat some of these calls.

"The cards will be dropped (in the mail) next Monday for delivery Wednesday," he said.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Click me!

Presidential Elections - AP


Republican Group Accused of Voter Fraud

1 hour, 41 minutes ago

By DEBORAH HASTINGS, AP National Writer

Substitute teacher Adam Banse wanted a summer job with flexible hours, so he signed up to knock on doors in suburban Minneapolis and register people to vote. He quit after two hours.


"They said if you bring back a bunch of Democratic cards, you'll be fired," Banse contends. "At that point, I said, `Whoa. Something's wrong here.'"


He isn't alone. In several battleground states across the country, a consulting firm funded by the Republican National Committee (news - web sites) has been accused of deceiving would-be voters and destroying Democratic voter registration cards.


Arizona-based Sproul & Associates is under investigation in Oregon and Nevada over claims that canvassers hired by the company were instructed to register only Republicans and to get rid of registration forms completed by Democrats.


"We treat these complaints very seriously," said Oregon Secretary of State Bill Bradbury. The Democratic office-holder said three complaints were filed with election officials throughout the state. He declined to provide details, citing the continuing investigation

and the pattern continues......:disgust:

Reposted here because someone thought it was their job to police my New NEWS post from Yahoo.com.
 

assemblage

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When I registered to vote at the table at my local college they asked who I was voting for. I said Bush. I filled out the paperwork and paid the $40. I paid and filled out the paper work. With all this talk about how Democrats are trying to steal the election again, I checked and found my name had not been registered. I also found out that I didn't have to pay. I think this happened because I said I was voting for Bush. This is messed up!
 

lordtyranus

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Originally posted by: assemblage
When I registered to vote at the table at my local college they asked who I was voting for. I said Bush. I filled out the paperwork and paid the $40. I paid and filled out the paper work. With all this talk about how Democrats are trying to steal the election again, I checked and found my name had not been registered. I also found out that I didn't have to pay. I think this happened because I said I was voting for Bush. This is messed up!

That sucks dude. What did you expect really?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: assemblage
When I registered to vote at the table at my local college they asked who I was voting for. I said Bush. I filled out the paperwork and paid the $40. I paid and filled out the paper work. With all this talk about how Democrats are trying to steal the election again, I checked and found my name had not been registered. I also found out that I didn't have to pay. I think this happened because I said I was voting for Bush. This is messed up!
Cough..cough..Bullsh!t..cough..cough..

 

TranceNation

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this type of cheating/fraud/scam i would expect to occur in places like Iraq, Afghan, etc. Guess it's no different anywhere else...
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: assemblage
When I registered to vote at the table at my local college they asked who I was voting for. I said Bush. I filled out the paperwork and paid the $40. I paid and filled out the paper work. With all this talk about how Democrats are trying to steal the election again, I checked and found my name had not been registered. I also found out that I didn't have to pay. I think this happened because I said I was voting for Bush. This is messed up!
Cough..cough..Bullsh!t..cough..cough..

Pretzel?

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: assemblage
When I registered to vote at the table at my local college they asked who I was voting for. I said Bush. I filled out the paperwork and paid the $40. I paid and filled out the paper work. With all this talk about how Democrats are trying to steal the election again, I checked and found my name had not been registered. I also found out that I didn't have to pay. I think this happened because I said I was voting for Bush. This is messed up!
Cough..cough..Bullsh!t..cough..cough..

Pretzel?

Have some Koolaid to go with it?
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: assemblage
When I registered to vote at the table at my local college they asked who I was voting for. I said Bush. I filled out the paperwork and paid the $40. I paid and filled out the paper work. With all this talk about how Democrats are trying to steal the election again, I checked and found my name had not been registered. I also found out that I didn't have to pay. I think this happened because I said I was voting for Bush. This is messed up!
Cough..cough..Bullsh!t..cough..cough..

Pretzel?

Have some Koolaid to go with it?

I might. ;)
(P.S. Won't someone PM me the Koolaid reference...I'm not sure what the heck it means)
 

TranceNation

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Originally posted by: assemblage
When I registered to vote at the table at my local college they asked who I was voting for. I said Bush. I filled out the paperwork and paid the $40. I paid and filled out the paper work. With all this talk about how Democrats are trying to steal the election again, I checked and found my name had not been registered. I also found out that I didn't have to pay. I think this happened because I said I was voting for Bush. This is messed up!

wow feel free to outright lie too lol
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: TranceNation
Originally posted by: assemblage
When I registered to vote at the table at my local college they asked who I was voting for. I said Bush. I filled out the paperwork and paid the $40. I paid and filled out the paper work. With all this talk about how Democrats are trying to steal the election again, I checked and found my name had not been registered. I also found out that I didn't have to pay. I think this happened because I said I was voting for Bush. This is messed up!

wow feel free to outright lie too lol
Either that or he's the dumbest person to ever post here at P&N and that's saying a lot!

 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TranceNation
Originally posted by: assemblage
When I registered to vote at the table at my local college they asked who I was voting for. I said Bush. I filled out the paperwork and paid the $40. I paid and filled out the paper work. With all this talk about how Democrats are trying to steal the election again, I checked and found my name had not been registered. I also found out that I didn't have to pay. I think this happened because I said I was voting for Bush. This is messed up!

wow feel free to outright lie too lol
Either that or he's the dumbest person to ever post here at P&N and that's saying a lot!

Uh...wow! :Q

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Engineer
I might. ;)
(P.S. Won't someone PM me the Koolaid reference...I'm not sure what the heck it means)
Jonestown, Guyana.



More fraud being perpetrated?

Big G.O.P. Bid to Challenge Voters at Polls in Key State
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10...4&partner=homepage
Republican Party officials in Ohio took formal steps yesterday to place thousands of recruits inside polling places on Election Day to challenge the qualifications of voters they suspect are not eligible to cast ballots.

Party officials say their effort is necessary to guard against fraud arising from aggressive moves by the Democrats to register tens of thousands of new voters in Ohio, seen as one of the most pivotal battlegrounds in the Nov. 2 elections.

Election officials in other swing states, from Arizona to Wisconsin and Florida, say they are bracing for similar efforts by Republicans to challenge new voters at polling places, reflecting months of disputes over voting procedures and the anticipation of an election as close as the one in 2000.

Ohio election officials said they had never seen so large a drive to prepare for Election Day challenges. They said they were scrambling yesterday to be ready for disruptions in the voting process as well as alarm and complaints among voters. Some officials said they worried that the challenges could discourage or even frighten others waiting to vote.

Ohio Democrats were struggling to match the Republicans' move, which had been rumored for weeks. Both parties had until 4 p.m. to register people they had recruited to monitor the election. Republicans said they had enlisted 3,600 by the deadline, many in heavily Democratic urban neighborhoods of Cleveland, Dayton and other cities. Each recruit was to be paid $100.

The Democrats, who tend to benefit more than Republicans from large turnouts, said they had registered more than 2,000 recruits to try to protect legitimate voters rather than weed out ineligible ones.

Republican officials said they had no intention of disrupting voting but were concerned about the possibility of fraud involving thousands of newly registered Democrats.

"The organized left's efforts to, quote unquote, register voters - I call them ringers - have created these problems," said James P. Trakas, a Republican co-chairman in Cuyahoga County.

Both parties have waged huge campaigns in the battleground states to register millions of new voters, and the developments in Ohio provided an early glimpse of how those efforts may play out on Election Day.

Ohio election officials said that by state law, the parties' challengers would have to show "reasonable" justification for doubting the qualifications of a voter before asking a poll worker to question that person. And, the officials said, challenges could be made on four main grounds: whether the voter is a citizen, is at least 18, is a resident of the county and has lived in Ohio for the previous 30 days.

Elections officials in Ohio said they hoped the criteria would minimize the potential for disruption. But Democrats worry that the challenges will inevitably delay the process and frustrate the voters.

"Our concern is Republicans will be challenging in large numbers for the purpose of slowing down voting, because challenging takes a long time,'' said David Sullivan, the voter protection coordinator for the national Democratic Party in Ohio. "And creating long lines causes our people to leave without voting.''

The Republican challenges in Ohio have already begun. Yesterday, party officials submitted a list of about 35,000 registered voters whose mailing addresses, the Republicans said, were questionable. After registering, they said, each of the voters was mailed a notice, and in each case the notice was returned to election officials as undeliverable.

In Cuyahoga County alone, which includes the heavily Democratic neighborhoods of Cleveland, the Republican Party submitted more than 14,000 names of voters for county election officials to scrutinize for possible irregularities. The party said it had registered more than 1,400 people to challenge voters in that county.

Among the main swing states, only Ohio, Florida and Missouri require the parties to register poll watchers before Election Day; elsewhere, party observers can register on the day itself. In several states officials have alerted poll workers to expect a heightened interest by the parties in challenging voters. In some cases, poll workers, many of them elderly, have been given training to deal with any abusive challenging.

Mr. Trakas, the Republican co-chairman in Cuyahoga County, said the recruits would be equipped with lists of voters who the party suspects are not county residents or otherwise qualified to vote.

Continued

Here in Louisville, the local news ran a story a couple of months ago about the GOP putting challengers in the inner-city precincts to question people about eligibility to vote. Nothing but intimidation.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: conjur
Here in Louisville, the local news ran a story a couple of months ago about the GOP putting challengers in the inner-city precincts to question people about eligibility to vote. Nothing but intimidation.

Are you against those who are trying to stop voter fraud conjur?

CsG
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Here in Louisville, the local news ran a story a couple of months ago about the GOP putting challengers in the inner-city precincts to question people about eligibility to vote. Nothing but intimidation.

Are you against those who are trying to stop voter fraud conjur?

CsG
Sure am! :roll:


No, I'm against those who would intimidate voters. Why would a challenger even question someone? By looking at the color of their skin? By a Kerry button on their sweater? Or a Bush-like Divine Intervention?