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Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Here in Louisville, the local news ran a story a couple of months ago about the GOP putting challengers in the inner-city precincts to question people about eligibility to vote. Nothing but intimidation.

Are you against those who are trying to stop voter fraud conjur?

CsG
Sure am! :roll:


No, I'm against those who would intimidate voters. Why would a challenger even question someone? By looking at the color of their skin? By a Kerry button on their sweater? Or a Bush-like Divine Intervention?

I'm going to be a poll watcher this year. If you ever see me in person, you'd see I'd be a intimidation intimidater.
 

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The Republicans, along with giving $500,000 to Sproul, a former Nevada Republican Party Chairman and head of the Nevada Christian Coalition, are now conducting a huge push in key swing states to disenfranchise registered voters on election day. They know most people don't have time to waste fighting a challenge since, in our 'democracy,' election day isn't a holiday and people have to get to work, so they've hired thousands of people to challenge legally registered voters hoping the voters will just leave because they just don't have the time to fight a challenge.

Despicable.

Repubicans are the antithesis of democracy. Denying people their right to vote is anti-American. The notion that the Republican Party is attempting to keep registered voters from excercising their right to vote to curtail voter fraud is ridiculous. The only evidence I've seen of voter fraud has been evidence against the Republican Party and their paid operatives.

Big G.O.P. Bid to Challenge Voters at Polls in Key State

By MICHAEL MOSS


Published: October 23, 2004

Republican Party officials in Ohio took formal steps yesterday to place thousands of recruits inside polling places on Election Day to challenge the qualifications of voters they suspect are not eligible to cast ballots.

Party officials say their effort is necessary to guard against fraud arising from aggressive moves by the Democrats to register tens of thousands of new voters in Ohio, seen as one of the most pivotal battlegrounds in the Nov. 2 elections.

Election officials in other swing states, from Arizona to Wisconsin and Florida, say they are bracing for similar efforts by Republicans to challenge new voters at polling places, reflecting months of disputes over voting procedures and the anticipation of an election as close as the one in 2000.

Ohio election officials said they had never seen so large a drive to prepare for Election Day challenges. They said they were scrambling yesterday to be ready for disruptions in the voting process as well as alarm and complaints among voters. Some officials said they worried that the challenges could discourage or even frighten others waiting to vote.

Ohio Democrats were struggling to match the Republicans' move, which had been rumored for weeks. Both parties had until 4 p.m. to register people they had recruited to monitor the election. Republicans said they had enlisted 3,600 by the deadline, many in heavily Democratic urban neighborhoods of Cleveland, Dayton and other cities. Each recruit was to be paid $100.

The Democrats, who tend to benefit more than Republicans from large turnouts, said they had registered more than 2,000 recruits to try to protect legitimate voters rather than weed out ineligible ones.

Republican officials said they had no intention of disrupting voting but were concerned about the possibility of fraud involving thousands of newly registered Democrats.

"The organized left's efforts to, quote unquote, register voters - I call them ringers - have created these problems," said James P. Trakas, a Republican co-chairman in Cuyahoga County.

Both parties have waged huge campaigns in the battleground states to register millions of new voters, and the developments in Ohio provided an early glimpse of how those efforts may play out on Election Day.

Ohio election officials said that by state law, the parties' challengers would have to show "reasonable" justification for doubting the qualifications of a voter before asking a poll worker to question that person. And, the officials said, challenges could be made on four main grounds: whether the voter is a citizen, is at least 18, is a resident of the county and has lived in Ohio for the previous 30 days.

Elections officials in Ohio said they hoped the criteria would minimize the potential for disruption. But Democrats worry that the challenges will inevitably delay the process and frustrate the voters.

"Our concern is Republicans will be challenging in large numbers for the purpose of slowing down voting, because challenging takes a long time,'' said David Sullivan, the voter protection coordinator for the national Democratic Party in Ohio. "And creating long lines causes our people to leave without voting.''

The Republican challenges in Ohio have already begun. Yesterday, party officials submitted a list of about 35,000 registered voters whose mailing addresses, the Republicans said, were questionable. After registering, they said, each of the voters was mailed a notice, and in each case the notice was returned to election officials as undeliverable.

In Cuyahoga County alone, which includes the heavily Democratic neighborhoods of Cleveland, the Republican Party submitted more than 14,000 names of voters for county election officials to scrutinize for possible irregularities. The party said it had registered more than 1,400 people to challenge voters in that county.

Among the main swing states, only Ohio, Florida and Missouri require the parties to register poll watchers before Election Day; elsewhere, party observers can register on the day itself. In several states officials have alerted poll workers to expect a heightened interest by the parties in challenging voters. In some cases, poll workers, many of them elderly, have been given training to deal with any abusive challenging.

Mr. Trakas, the Republican co-chairman in Cuyahoga County, said the recruits would be equipped with lists of voters who the party suspects are not county residents or otherwise qualified to vote.

The recruits will be trained next week, said Mr. Trakas, who added that he had not decided whether to open the training sessions to the public or reporters. Among other things, he said, the recruits will be taught how to challenge mentally disabled voters who are assisted by anyone other than their legal guardians. In previous elections, he said, bus drivers who had taken group-home residents to polling places often helped them vote.

Reno Oradini, the Cuyahoga County election board attorney, said a challenge would in effect create impromptu courts at polling places as workers huddled to resolve a dispute and cause delays in voting. He said he was working with local election officials to find ways of preventing disruptions that could drive away impatient voters and reduce turnout.

State law varies widely on voter challenges. In Colorado, challenged voters can sign an oath that they are indeed qualified to vote; voters found to have lied could be prosecuted, but their votes would still be counted. In Wisconsin, it is the challenger who must sign an oath stating the grounds for a challenge.

"You need personal knowledge," said Kevin J. Kennedy, executive director of the Wisconsin State Elections Board. "You can't say they don't look American or don't speak English."

National election officials said yesterday that Election Day challenging had been done only sporadically by the parties over the years, mainly in highly contested races. In the bitterly contested 2000 presidential election, they said, challenges occurred mainly after Election Day.

The preparations for widespread challenging this year have alarmed some election officials.

"This creates chaos and confusion in the polling site," said R. Doug Lewis, executive director of the Election Center, an international association of election officials. But, he said, "most courts say it's permissible by state law and therefore can't be denied."

In Ohio, Republicans sought to play down any concern that their challenging would be disruptive.

"I suspect there will be challenges," said Robert T. Bennett, chairman of the Ohio Republican Party. "But by and large, people will move through quickly. We want to make sure every eligible voter votes." He added, "99.9 percent will fly right by."

Challengers on both sides said they were uncertain about what to expect. Georgiana Nye, 56, a Dayton real estate broker who was registered by the Republicans as a challenger, said she wanted to help prevent fraud and would accept the $100 for the 13 hours of work and training.

For the Democrats in Dayton, Ronald Magoteaux, 57, a mechanical engineer, said he agreed to be a poll watcher out of concern for new voters. "I think it's sick that these Republicans are up to dirty tricks at the polls," Mr. Magoteaux said. "I believe thousands of votes were lost in 2000, and I want to make sure that doesn't happen in Ohio."

Democrats said they were racing to match the Republicans, precinct by precinct. In some cities, like Dayton, they registered more challengers than the Republicans, election officials said. But in Cuyahoga County, where the Republicans said they had registered 1,436 people to challenge voters, or one in every precinct, Democrats said they had signed up only about 300.

The parties are also preparing to battle over voter qualifications in Florida, where they had until last Tuesday to register challengers. In Fort Myers, Republicans named 100 watchers for the county's 171 precincts, up from 60 in 2000. But Democrats registered 300 watchers in the county, a sixfold increase.

Nader Loses Ohio Ballot Bid

COLUMBUS, Ohio, Oct. 22 (AP) - The Ohio Supreme Court on Friday rejected an effort by Ralph Nader to get his name on the ballot, most likely ending his chances in the state for the Nov. 2 election.

Mr. Nader wanted the court to force election boards to review their voter registration lists, a process he said could have led to the validation of petitions to place him on the ballot. The court ruled 6-1 against him.

 

conjur

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GOP Challenges (35,427 Ohio) Voters
http://www.dispatch.com/electi...23/20041023-A1-01.html
In yet another sign of how fiercely Ohio will be contested in the Nov. 2 presidential election, Republicans challenged 35,427 newly registered voters yesterday. And both parties named thousands of people to be challengers at the polls.

The Ohio GOP said it is questioning new voters in 65 counties where mail sent to them was returned as undeliverable.

But overburdened elections officials were left wondering how to comply with a state law requiring a hearing on each challenge no later than two days before the election.

"I?m not sure how we?re going to accomplish this," said John Williams, deputy elections director in Hamilton County. "We?ve never had anything like this before."

Those who have been challenged must receive a letter by first-class mail no later than three days before a hearing to answer the challenge ? with a lawyer and witnesses, if they choose.

In Franklin County, where 4,219 challenges were filed, officials are considering using the Veterans Memorial auditorium to hold hearings.

"Burden or not, we?ll do it to the best of our ability," said Matthew Damschroder, county elections director.

Damschroder said hearings can be short ? showing a driver?s license or utility bill can prove residency. But if mail was returned once, hearing notices also might be returned ? meaning no hearing can be held.

William Anthony Jr., chairman of both the Franklin County elections board and the county Democratic Party, said public notices might be appropriate to ensure new voters know they have been challenged.

Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, stressed the challenges will not result in voters being turned away from polling places on Election Day.

"If an individual?s registration is deemed invalid by (a county election?s) board and the person shows up at the poll on Election Day, they will be given a provisional ballot," LoParo said.

Such ballots are held for 10 days while a voter?s eligibility is determined.

Still, voter advocates worried about the impact on voting in what has become an increasingly contentious election.

"That?s horrible," said Susan Truitt, of Citizens? Alliance for Secure Elections in Ohio. "I hope it doesn?t affect people going out to vote."

Ohio is expected to have about 1 million new voters.

Republicans felt compelled to challenge the registrations "so any question about their validity could be cleared up prior to Election Day," said Ohio GOP chairman Robert T. Bennett.

The challenges arose from a letter Bennett sent to all voters who registered between Jan. 1 and Aug. 31. The letter, Bennett said, welcomed the new voters "to the process" and invited them to vote Republican.

Of the 232,000 letters mailed, about 30,000 were returned as undeliverable either because the registrants didn?t exist, had moved or died, or because the letters went to vacant houses or bogus addresses, Bennett said.


"It was an astounding number," he said. "The potential for these fraudulent registrations to produce fraudulent votes at the ballot box is very real."

But Democrats said returned mail is not proof of fraud.

The challenges are "an unprecedented effort to throw tens of thousands of voters off of Ohio?s voting rolls," said David Sullivan, Ohio coordinator for the Democrats? voter-protection project.

Bennett said there was no attempt to target Democratic strongholds. Most of the returns came from Ohio?s large urban counties ? which tend to be Democratic ? so that?s where the majority of challenges were filed, he said.

Meanwhile, Cuyahoga County Prosecutor William D. Mason has been asked to examine whether the challenges are legal because there could be a conflict between federal and state law, a county elections official said. Cuyahoga County had the most challenged voters in the state: 17,717.

Some legal experts are concerned that there could be lawsuits if each county doesn?t handle the challenges the same way.

Yesterday was the deadline for challenges to registration lists. It also was the deadline for the parties and other groups to appoint challengers and witnesses at the polls.

The law allows the parties, groups of five or more candidates, and issue committees to name one challenger at each precinct to question whether voters are eligible and one witness to watch ballot counting.

Only voters, poll workers, police and challengers can go inside polling locations. Both parties have been recruiting lawyers and others to be on hand if there are any problems.

In Franklin County, Democrats filed witnesses and challengers in 495 of the county?s 788 precincts. Republicans filed someone in every precinct.

Republicans said they filed 3,500 challengers covering 7,900 precincts statewide, including all precincts in the 31 most populous counties. Democrats didn?t have a breakdown but said they filed "thousands" statewide.

Some observers worry the parties will indiscriminately challenge voters in heavily Democratic or Republican precincts as a strategy to discourage people from voting.

Both parties deny that, but Edward B. "Ned" Foley, director of an election-law center at Ohio State University, said state law should provide the chance for the press or independent observers to watch.

In that spirit, The Dispatch filed yesterday as a challenger and witness at precincts in Franklin County and elsewhere. The newspaper asked the committees for and against State Issue 1 to be the appointing authority, and the committee opposing the issue agreed.

"Because Ohio?s role in this election is so important, it is vital for the newspaper to observe the process from beginning to end," said Alan D. Miller, Dispatch managing editor/news.

"We filed the required paperwork because it was the only way to gain access to the polling places and elections-board counting rooms under the state?s guidelines. We will observe; we have no intention of challenging anything."
 

conjur

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Ohio Republicans at it again:

Ohio Provisional Ballot Ruling Reversed
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...p;cid=694&ncid=716
CINCINNATI - A federal appeals court on Saturday reversed a lower court's ruling that Ohio voters could cast provisional ballots on Election Day anywhere in the county in which they are registered.

The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites) ruled that a provisional ballot cast outside a voter's home precinct isn't valid, agreeing with Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell. Federal law allows people to get provisional ballots if they are in the right jurisdiction. Blackwell, a Republican, defines that as a precinct, while Democrats say it's the voter's county.

The state's Democrats had filed a lawsuit challenging Blackwell's directive instructing county elections boards not to give ballots to voters who come to the wrong precinct and to send them to the correct polling place on Election Day.

U.S. District Judge James Carr on Oct. 14 blocked the directive, ruling that Ohio voters who show up at the wrong polling place still can cast ballots as long as they are in the county where they are registered.

Blackwell appealed to the 6th Circuit.

Wonder who's sitting on that Court of Appeals?


BTW,

jurisdiction: 3 : the limits or territory within which authority may be exercised

I was unaware that precincts exercised authority or issued legislation. I thought the jurisdiction was the county. Ever seen a Precinct cop car? Ever gone to a Precinct hospital? Ever been in violation of a Precinct law?
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: wiin
Election Fraud Cases Under Review

One application being examined was signed in the name of a man who passed away in February. Another 25 applications show different addresses for the same man.


Voter Fraud

ACORN again. Go figure.

CsG

Who is ACORN???
Friday October 22, 6:23 pm ET
Illegalities, Fraud and Contradictions Detailed in Report on Lead Organizer of Florida's Amendment 5, According to Employment Policies Institute


WASHINGTON, Oct. 22 /PRNewswire/ -- The Florida Department of Law Enforcement has announced a statewide investigation into widespread fraudulent voter registrations, many of which have been tied back to the leading organizer of Florida's Amendment 5 ballot initiative to raise the minimum wage. But this is just the tip of an iceberg of illegalities, fraud and contradictions connected to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). In recent days, ACORN has been at the epicenter of reports of potentially fraudulent voter registrations across the nation -- including many by ex-felons -- submitted by ACORN employees in the presidential swing states of Ohio, Colorado, Missouri, Pennsylvania, New Mexico and Minnesota.

The Employment Policies Institute has updated and re-released its report, "The Real ACORN: Anti-Employee, Anti-Union, Big Business" with the latest details on ACORN's involvement in what appears to be widespread voter registration fraud. The report includes statements from former ACORN employees on the illegal nature of the organization's promotion of the ballot initiative to raise Florida's minimum wage to $6.15 per hour.

"This report reveals ACORN's pattern and practice of deception and fraud," said EPI research director Craig Garthwaite. "The latest allegations of widespread voter registration fraud should prove to be the last of ACORN's nine political lives."

Former ACORN Miami-Dade field director Mac Stuart has filed a lawsuit against ACORN and has made charges of rampant voter fraud operations. Stuart was employed and specifically tasked by ACORN to generate 103,000 new voter registrations from Dade County. He reports that ACORN threw out Republican registrations while paying gatherers for Democratic ones, both actions illegal in Florida. Stuart also charges that ACORN targeted ex-cons and that he personally set up registration tables outside the Miami police department and Dade County jail. He went on to state, "The voter registration project has been operating illegally since it started."

ACORN has paid workers for every voter registration card collected -- a felony in Florida and also illegal in Missouri and Pennsylvania. ACORN also routinely accepted signatures for Amendment 5 from individuals who were not currently registered to vote -- a requirement under Florida law.

Voter registration and petition fraud is just the latest chapter in ACORN's long sordid history. The EPI report also reveals:

ACORN Involved in Union Embezzlement -- In the late 1990s, ACORN's Project Vote was involved in an $850,000 embezzling scheme, where union funds and kickbacks were used to illegally aid the 1996 re-election bid of then- Teamsters President Ron Carey. A New York federal jury found the Teamsters political director guilty of the conspiracy.

ACORN bilks AmeriCorps -- In 1996, the Inspector General of the AmeriCorps program stripped a $1 million grant from the ACORN Housing Corporation (AHC). When applying, AHC had denied any connections to ACORN, since the grant was not intended for political advocacy organizations. Evidence later uncovered by the Inspector General found that not only was AHC created by ACORN, engaged in numerous transactions with one another, and sharing staff and office space -- but it utilized the AmeriCorps grant to increase ACORN membership, a violation of federal guidelines.

ACORN Union-Busts Own Workers -- On March 27, 2003 the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) found that ACORN had violated the National Labor Relations Act and was required to rehire and pay restitution to employees terminated for attempting to form a union. The NLRB ruling is just the latest in a trend of ACORN's union-busting tactics. ACORN employees have historically demanded higher wages, safer working conditions and more timely contracted wages. These efforts have been repressed behind closed doors by the hypocritical ACORN leadership, which publicly advocates higher pay and better working conditions for private sector workers.

ACORN and Minimum Wage Hypocrisy -- Most egregiously, ACORN promotes ballot initiatives and local ordinances to force businesses to pay higher minimum wages, as they are currently doing with the minimum wage proposal in Amendment 5. In 1995, however, ACORN sued the state of California to have its employees exempted from the state minimum wage. ACORN argued that being forced to pay higher wages would mean that they would hire fewer employees -- the very dilemma faced by businesses. Incredibly, ACORN stated that paying its employees a lower wage would allow them to be more sympathetic to the low- and moderate-income families they were attempting to help. ACORN argued that abiding by the state minimum wage would limit their ability to promote their agenda and would therefore be a violation of their First Amendment rights. The trial court judge dismissed ACORN's suits, stating, "leaving aside the latter argument's absurdity ... we find ACORN to be laboring under a fundamental misconception of constitutional law."

"ACORN's history of voter registration fraud, hypocrisy, abuse of federal grant programs, and disregard for sound economics should raise a red flag for voters considering support for Amendment 5," Garthwaite said.

The full report is available online at http://www.EPIonline.org

The Employment Policies Institute is a nonprofit research organization dedicated to studying public policy issues surrounding entry-level employment.
 

BBond

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Ohio Voters Report Fake Calls: "change polling place" NOT From Board of Elections

The caller told the elderly woman that her voting site had changed and that on Nov. 2 she and her husband should cast their ballots at a South Side precinct. He even left the phone number of the board.

Her husband, who didn't want their names published out of fear of retribution, called the board, sat through a long menu of automated options and finally spoke with an employee.

"They said there was no way in the world they would make such a call," he said. "I think it's hankypanky and somebody in the election is trying to kill some votes."

At no time, Elections Director Matthew Damschroder said, does the board call voters. "The only communication from the board of elections is printed on official board of elections paper with the logo," he said.

"If they're saying they're the board of elections, that's a violation of the law. My recommendation to them would be to cease and desist."

Voters report fake calls

Instructions to change polling place don't come from board of elections

Friday, October 22, 2004
Suzanne Hoholik
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

The caller interrupting a North Side couple's dinner earlier this week said he was from the Franklin County Board of Elections.

He told the elderly woman that her voting site had changed and that on Nov. 2 she and her husband should cast their ballots at a South Side precinct. The caller even left the phone number of the board.

Her husband, who didn't want their names published out of fear of retribution, called the board, sat through a long menu of automated options and finally spoke with an employee.

"They said there was no way in the world they would make such a call," he said. "I think it's hankypanky and somebody in the election is trying to kill some votes."

At no time, Elections Director Matthew Damschroder said, does the board call voters.

"The only communication from the board of elections is printed on official board of elections paper with the logo," he said.

"If they're saying they're the board of elections, that's a violation of the law. My recommendation to them would be to cease and desist."

His office has received about a dozen calls since last week from voters checking on similar calls.

Damschroder said there are two scams: The caller tells voters their precincts have changed or the caller offers to pick up an absentee-ballot application, deliver the ballot to the voter and return the completed ballot to the elections office.

By law, the elections board mails absentee ballots and the only deliveries are made to voters in nursing homes by both a Republican and Democratic elections worker. The only person who can return an absentee ballot, besides the voter, is an immediate family member.

"People are calling saying, 'I got a call last night when I was watching Oprah from this group,' " Damschroder said. "By law, the board of elections does not give anybody a ballot to deliver."

Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, said he hadn't heard about the scams. But he said he was glad to hear that voters who had received calls reported them to the elections board.

"Election fraud, voter intimidation or providing voters with wrong information is unacceptable," he said. "Anyone engaging in this activity will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

"Anyone contemplating this type of malicious activity should think twice."

All county boards of elections already had planned to send cards informing voters of their voting precinct, Damschroder said, a move that could combat some of these calls.

"The cards will be dropped (in the mail) next Monday for delivery Wednesday," he said.

 

TBone77

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Originally posted by: gutharius
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I've never really followed any of the previous elections (since I was too young to care). Is this kind of vote fraud common, or does it seem to be a particular of this election? Seems that something definitely needs to be done to reform the system - maybe tying voter registration to tax filing. If you don't pay your taxes, you can't vote, plus your address is updated every year.

That seems really extreme. Voting is a right and should stay a right no matter what. To you question to my knowledge this is something that has happened off and on during american politics. But it is especially so during tight races where every vote is so much more important. It is elections like these that squeeze the corruption out of the system by exposing the cracks in the foundation so we cna fix them until the next tight race comes along.

Actually, CycloWizard is on to something.

No taxation without representation

Voting and taxes go hand-in-hand. Voting is a right, but taxes are a responsibility. You may not have one without the other.

This idea requires very serious thought, but on the surface, I kind of like it.
 

ElFenix

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From CsG-

Sure, don't mind we already have how many cases of unions and others storming campaign HQs, intimidating the workers and just generally causing a mess and disturbance?

You really need to link up such allegations in order to maintain some slight semblance of credibility...

And, uhh, how would that compare to the Republican led hooligans who stopped Florida recounts in 2000?

you mean the 7-2 decision in the supreme court to stop the recounts?
 

TBone77

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Originally posted by: conjur
Ohio Republicans at it again <snip>

I happen to live in Ohio, and let me tell you about TWO experiences I've had with "Ohio Democrats". On two separate occasions, we had "volunteers" come to our doorstep to ask us if we were registered "to increase voter turnout". They were apparently from the same group, though I don't recall which one. Anyway, question #2 of the survey was "which political party do you identify with most". I answered "Republican", and they said "thanks for your time" and left.

So much for the ever-so-helpful Democrats assisting me in my registration.

...and let's not bring up the NAACP CRACK INCIDENT from two weeks ago...

Please, conjur, don't insinuate for a second that fraud isn't rampant on both sides. Republicans try to suppress the vote, while Democrats encourage Democrats to vote multiple times. Frankly, I don't know which is worse. Both are despicable.
 

TBone77

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
From CsG-

Sure, don't mind we already have how many cases of unions and others storming campaign HQs, intimidating the workers and just generally causing a mess and disturbance?

You really need to link up such allegations in order to maintain some slight semblance of credibility...

And, uhh, how would that compare to the Republican led hooligans who stopped Florida recounts in 2000?

you mean the 7-2 decision in the supreme court to stop the recounts?

Sorry, but I can't resist...

OWNED

Phew... I feel better.

Besides, how many recounts would Gore have needed before he just accepted it and MoveOnAlGore.org(TM)?
 

Jhhnn

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Nice spin, CsG, misleading as usual. From your linked article-

"Both auditors say growth in their respective county makes the numbers believable, but both also know, if the numbers don't match up, it's just one more way both sides could challenge the count election night."

High turnout can easily hand the Repubs an ass-whupping, and they know it. So it's important to discredit the results before the fact, sow some doubt, provide justification for the legalistic whining afterwards...
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Nice spin, CsG, misleading as usual. From your linked article-

"Both auditors say growth in their respective county makes the numbers believable, but both also know, if the numbers don't match up, it's just one more way both sides could challenge the count election night."

High turnout can easily hand the Repubs an ass-whupping, and they know it. So it's important to discredit the results before the fact, sow some doubt, provide justification for the legalistic whining afterwards...

Umm - Sure - believe what you wish...:p 107% voter registration. Dasm - they are good.

The biggest town in Warren county is Indianola with 13000 people.:p

map

2000 new eligeble voters in a year - PLUS every single person registered?

Psssttt - yeah you....psstt...want a hot deal on a bridge?

CsG
 

BBond

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"In Dallas County the 2003 census estimates there should be about thirty-four thousand elligible voters."

2003 census estimates. We all know that everyone answers the census. Right. Ant the census estimates are always exact. That's why they're called estimates. Right. :laugh:

Using the census to determine how many eligible voters there are is like using Bush's intelligence estimates to determine how much WMD there was in Iraq.

 

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New Florida vote scandal feared

A secret document obtained from inside Bush campaign headquarters in Florida suggests a plan - possibly in violation of US law - to disrupt voting in the state's African-American voting districts, a BBC Newsnight investigation reveals.

Two e-mails, prepared for the executive director of the Bush campaign in Florida and the campaign's national research director in Washington DC, contain a 15-page so-called "caging list".

It lists 1,886 names and addresses of voters in predominantly black and traditionally Democrat areas of Jacksonville, Florida.

An elections supervisor in Tallahassee, when shown the list, told Newsnight: "The only possible reason why they would keep such a thing is to challenge voters on election day."

Ion Sancho, a Democrat, noted that Florida law allows political party operatives inside polling stations to stop voters from obtaining a ballot.

Mass challenges

They may then only vote "provisionally" after signing an affidavit attesting to their legal voting status.

Mass challenges have never occurred in Florida. Indeed, says Mr Sancho, not one challenge has been made to a voter "in the 16 years I've been supervisor of elections."

"Quite frankly, this process can be used to slow down the voting process and cause chaos on election day; and discourage voters from voting."

Sancho calls it "intimidation." And it may be illegal.

Republican state campaign spokeswoman Mindy Tucker Fletcher
A Republican spokeswoman did not deny that voters would be challenged at polling stations
In Washington, well-known civil rights attorney, Ralph Neas, noted that US federal law prohibits targeting challenges to voters, even if there is a basis for the challenge, if race is a factor in targeting the voters.

The list of Jacksonville voters covers an area with a majority of black residents.

When asked by Newsnight for an explanation of the list, Republican spokespersons claim the list merely records returned mail from either fundraising solicitations or returned letters sent to newly registered voters to verify their addresses for purposes of mailing campaign literature.

Republican state campaign spokeswoman Mindy Tucker Fletcher stated the list was not put together "in order to create" a challenge list, but refused to say it would not be used in that manner.

Rather, she did acknowledge that the party's poll workers will be instructed to challenge voters, "Where it's stated in the law."

There was no explanation as to why such clerical matters would be sent to top officials of the Bush campaign in Florida and Washington.

Private detective

Democrat Congresswoman Corinne Brown says watches a private investigator film voters
In Jacksonville, to determine if Republicans were using the lists or other means of intimidating voters, we filmed a private detective filming every "early voter" - the majority of whom are black - from behind a vehicle with blacked-out windows.

The private detective claimed not to know who was paying for his all-day services.

On the scene, Democratic Congresswoman Corinne Brown said the surveillance operation was part of a campaign of intimidation tactics used by the Republican Party to intimate and scare off African American voters, almost all of whom are registered Democrats.

 

Tom

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As far as the four counties in Ohio with more registrations than voters..one explanation is that there are probably a lot of people who have registered this year, even though they didn't need to because they were already registered. So adding these numbers together before the processing is completed could lead to wildly innaccurate claims.
 

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Local 10 Uncovers Big Ballot Mystery

Elections Office Says Situation Is 'Odd'

POSTED: 4:10 pm EDT October 26, 2004
UPDATED: 6:14 pm EDT October 26, 2004

BROWARD COUNTY, Fla. -- Local 10 has received many phone calls from viewers in Broward County who say they have not received the absentee ballots ?- and the news from the elections office doesn't sound good.

Local 10 has learned that many as many as 58,000 ballots that were supposed to mailed out on Oct. 7 and 8 could be missing.

The Broward County Supervisor of Elections office is saying only that the situation is "unusual," and they are looking into it.

Gisela Salas, Broward Deputy Elections Supervisor, said, "I hate to say 'missing' at this time because that has not yet be substantiated. Some ballots are starting to arrive. But there is an extraordinary delay."

An elections office representative told Local 10 that the office has investigated with the U.S. Post Office what might have happened to the ballots, but so far, no one has been able to figure it out.

"It is unusual. It's a puzzle on the part of our office and the postal service," Salas said. "Our office did make the delivery and the post office assures us they were processed. What happened is in question."

The postal service told Local 10 late Tuesday that they don't have 58,000 ballots floating around. They did say that they have several employees assigned to deal only with ballots and they are being delivered in one to two days -- once they get them.

As far as the voters go that haven't received their ballots, the elections office is now suggesting that they take the opportunity to vote early.

Since many who request absentee ballots cannot physically vote in their county, there are likely to be some angry voters.

If you are able to and would like to vote early in Broward County, click here to find a voting location.

Watch Local 10 News for more coverage of this missing ballot controversy.