Post all your links to articles about the election here !

[Pliablemoose]

Votingisanillusion, you seem to be having a rather public meltdown.

You've bumped this thread 7 times with no response.

At least do us the courtesy of just adding/editing to your last post...

 

[Votingisanillusion]

AMERICAN COUP II
Huge collection of links!

 

[Votingisanillusion]

Pliablemoose, if you cared about democracy, you would not complain.
Too many votes. Now in Nebraska!

Sarpy County election officials are trying to figure out how they ended up with more votes than voters in the general election. As many as 10,000 extra votes have been tallied and candidates are still waiting for corrected totals.

Sarpy County borrowed the election equipment from Omaha-based Election Systems & Software. Its employees operated the machines that are now double-checking the ballots.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Votingisanillusion, you seem to be having a rather public meltdown.

You've bumped this thread 9 times with no response.

At least do us the courtesy of just adding/editing to your last post...

 

[CellarDoor]

Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Pliablemoose, if you cared about democracy, you would not complain.
Too many votes. Now in Nebraska!

Sarpy County election officials are trying to figure out how they ended up with more votes than voters in the general election. As many as 10,000 extra votes have been tallied and candidates are still waiting for corrected totals.

Sarpy County borrowed the election equipment from Omaha-based Election Systems & Software. Its employees operated the machines that are now double-checking the ballots.

:thumbsup: Interesting information. Thanks for updating the thread so I can find the new stuff rather easily.

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Monday Night: Bev Harris, of Black Box Voting, on MSNBC's Countdown With Olbermann 11/9

You sure about that? On MSNBC's page it looks like it will now be "Keith counts down the surprising list of the men and women who may join President Bush's second term cabinet."

Also, it would contradict the following quote from Bev Harris in one of your previous links, as well as a few other quotes about the same thing, and how they've never seen the reporters so horrified:

I was tipped off by a person very high up in TV that the news has been locked down tight, and there will be no TV coverage of the real problems with voting on Nov. 2. Even the journalists are pretty horrified. My source said they've also been forbidden to talk about it even on their own time, and he was calling from somewhere else. He was trying to figure out how to get the real news out on vote fraud.

 

[Votingisanillusion]

glugglug, it was announced on http://www.buzzflash.com/. And like you I was wondering since I saw nothing on msnbc. We will find out. But it looks like Bev is right. The truth is censored by the corporations. Why would they upset the "new" administration? Bush made them richer.

You are welcome mribnik1. Now the time has come to do your part: I am going to bed!

 

[glugglug]

Watching it now... Democrat Rep John Convers = either bribed or threatened or both. You can tell the way he avoids giving any real answers in the interview, especially ones that favor his own party.

 

[Votingisanillusion]

Guys, post more links because I am not allowed to post twice in a row! I did not know this rule but several people on this board who care a lot about democracy complained to the moderators. Some complain about people who cheat twice in a row, some complain about people who write twice in a row about people who cheat twice in a row.

Votes Aren't the Only Thing Missing in Ohio - Media Black Out on Vote Fraud Allegations

Many articles at the dozens of local indymedia sites. Find your city in the left column!
From Boston: Race and Truth at the Polls: The Real Election Results

Diebold Wines and Dines Officials
"Representative Bob Ney, a Republican, was applauded when he dismissed demands for auditable paper trails for electronic voting, noting that a rigged electronic machine could also be fixed to produce a misleading paper trail."

"According to the center's program for the conference, the conference's welcoming reception on August 26 was underwritten by Diebold Election Systems. The next day, a scheduled "Dinner Cruise on the Potomac and Monuments by Night Tour" was cosponsored by Sequoia Voting Systems. And Election Systems and Software (ES&S) agreed to pick up the tab for the final day's "Graduation Luncheon and Awards Ceremony."

Each of these firms have had brushes with controversy. Sequoia had their machines rejected in the 1990s by New York City due to concerns about fraud. Earlier this year, Diebold machines malfunctioned in California and disenfranchised thousands of voters. Election officials there accused Diebold officials of lying and misconduct, and Secretary of State Kevin Shelley banned Diebold machines from four counties. Earlier, Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell, a fundraiser for George W. Bush, said in a letter that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver is electoral votes" to Bush. After that letter was revealed, he prohibited Diebold executives and employees from making political contributions. But since 1991, Diebold has handed GOPers $346,366 and Democrats $2700, as Ronnie Dugger recently noted in The Nation, a ratio of 127-1. ES&S is owned by prominent conservatives in Nebraska.

More importantly, computer and systems experts have questioned the security of electronic voting, and they have criticized these companies for refusing to supply information regarding their systems. As Dugger reported, David Dill, a professor of computer science at Stanford and a critic of computerized voting, recently asked, "Why am I always being asked to prove these systems aren't secure? The burden of proof ought to be on the vendor. You ask about the hardware. 'Secret.' The software? 'Secret.' What's the cryptography? 'Can't tell you because that'll compromise the secrecy of the machines.'...Federal testing procedures? 'Secret'! Results of the tests? 'Secret'! Basically we are required to have blind faith."

A lobotomy for democracy

Mark Twain got it right: "Do not fear the enemy, for your enemy can only take your life. It is far better that you fear the press, for they will steal your Honour. That awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse".

And it would be interesting to discover why CNN and other news media changed their published exit poll data after Wednesday morning.

Jonathan Simon of Alliance for Democracy notes, "Statistical discrepancies were identified in key battleground states that exceeded the margin of error of the exit polls. In Ohio, for instance, a 'shift' of 3.1 per cent toward Bush converted a 52 per cent - 48 per cent exit poll "victory" for Kerry into a 51 per cent - 49 per cent electoral "victory" for Bush. In the group of 12 critical states selected for analysis, exit poll vs tabulated vote shifts exceeded the polls' margin of error in four cases, which, according to statistical analysis, [should] occur only 0.2 per cent (or one five-hundredth) of the time in the absence of significant mistabulation of votes."

Simon also notes that exit polling appears inexplicably to have been significantly more accurate in non-battleground states than in the states that were crucial to a Bush victory.

Citizens for a Legitimate Government (CLG) (www.legitgov.org) declares: "Rather than objectively exploring reasons for these identified discrepancies, the networks now glibly claim exit polling based on scientific methodology is completely unreliable, and have all but forgotten that there was a deep and widespread concern about the reliability and security of the vote tabulating apparatus leading up to this election."

"The probability that the election was stolen becomes even more likely when it is recalled that GOP majority leader in the House, Tom DeLay, and the speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, have for two years prevented a vote on a bill requiring that all electronic voting machines should have an auditable paper trail. Congressman Rush Holt introduced the bill requiring all electronic voting machines to produce a voter-verified paper ballot. The bill was co-sponsored by a majority of the members of the House of Representatives - GOP and Democrat."

"One crucial statistic made me quite sure that the election was stolen. It is a well-recorded phenomenon that after an election result is known, more people will claim to have voted for the winner than actually did.

After this election, is a remarkable fact that only 51 per cent of the US electorate said they were happy Mr Bush had been elected. The post-election bandwagon effect is well documented.

"Response error tied to over-estimation of voting is one of the oldest and most persistent types of response error to be documented. .[Stanley Presser] reports that such response errors tend to range between 12 and 16 per cent. with the error tending to be larger the closer a survey was done to the election". ( Robert H Prisuta,

A post-election Bandwagon Effect 1992 and Stanley Presser: Can Context Changes Reduce Vote Over-reporting?; Public Opinion Quarterly, Wier 1990)

In this case, and as far as I can discover, only in this case does the percentage claiming to have voted for the winner fall below the percentage actually voting for him."


Wet Ballots Found, Rejected By Voting Machines
In Florida, of course!
"the region has not seen rain this week."
And as usual; "Complaints of voter intimidation were also reported at the same voting precinct, Local 6 News reported."

Words collide in N.M. count

"Meanwhile, John Kerry has conceded, President Bush is still president and will be for four more years, but who won the now-irrelevant electoral prize of New Mexico remains unknown, at least according to the final official source in such matters, the secretary of state.

Vigil-Giron said that while the national media have long since called New Mexico for Bush, the important job of counting ballots won't be done until Nov. 12, when the county clerks are required to turn in final tallies to the state.

Then her office will review those tallies. They have until Nov. 23, when she, Richardson and New Mexico Supreme Court Chief Justice Petra Maes meet to certify the results.

She said the 33 county clerks now working to certify provisional ballots and count absentee ballots should be given the time they need to make an accurate count of the votes cast in Tuesday's election.

According to the vote-count update on the secretary of state's Web site about 6 a.m. today, Bush, with 348,125 votes, led Kerry, who had received 341,186 votes, for a margin of 6,939 votes."

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: glugglug
Watching it now... Democrat Rep John Convers = either bribed or threatened or both. You can tell the way he avoids giving any real answers in the interview, especially ones that favor his own party.

It may be cautious optimism... but who knows.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Votingisanillusion, you seem to be having a rather public meltdown.

You've bumped this thread 7 times with no response.

At least do us the courtesy of just adding/editing to your last post...

Pliable, quit being a forum cop. If you don't like the thread, don't read it.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Um, he bumped this thread 9 times without a response & the mods agreed it was excessive.

Doesn't votingisanillusion appear just a bit unusual?

German email in the profile.

Registered on the 6th

Posts as if a US resident

There is no nordstadt, North Carolina

Pretty good linking skills/knowledge of the rules for a newbie

Multiple threads on the same subject already exist.

I think it's Crimson...

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Um, he bumped this thread 9 times without a response & the mods agreed it was excessive.

Doesn't votingisanillusion appear just a bit unusual?

German email in the profile.

Registered on the 6th

Posts as if a US resident

There is no nordstadt, North Carolina

Pretty good linking skills/knowledge of the rules for a newbie

Multiple threads on the same subject already exist.

I think it's Crimson...

At least his posts have content....

 

[Pliablemoose]

Also curious is the manifest absence of several rather prolific posters on this subject from this thread.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Also curious is the manifest absence of several rather prolific posters on this subject from this thread.

OMG, are YOUUUU wearing the tinfoil hat now? :laugh:

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Also curious is the manifest absence of several rather prolific posters on this subject from this thread.

OMG, are YOUUUU wearing the tinfoil hat now? :laugh:

Welll... I'm not getitng any bids on this

So I figured I'd break it out & give it a shot.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Also curious is the manifest absence of several rather prolific posters on this subject from this thread.

OMG, are YOUUUU wearing the tinfoil hat now? :laugh:

Welll... I'm not getitng any bids on this

So I figured I'd break it out & give it a shot.

I bet it looks real good on you. Take it out on dates, the chicks will dig it! :laugh:

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Also curious is the manifest absence of several rather prolific posters on this subject from this thread.

OMG, are YOUUUU wearing the tinfoil hat now? :laugh:

Welll... I'm not getitng any bids on this

So I figured I'd break it out & give it a shot.

I bet it looks real good on you. Take it out on dates, the chicks will dig it! :laugh:

Wife gets really pissed when I date nowdays, no matter how much I argue for polygamy:|

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Also curious is the manifest absence of several rather prolific posters on this subject from this thread.

OMG, are YOUUUU wearing the tinfoil hat now? :laugh:

Welll... I'm not getitng any bids on this

So I figured I'd break it out & give it a shot.

I bet it looks real good on you. Take it out on dates, the chicks will dig it! :laugh:

Wife gets really pissed when I date nowdays, no matter how much I argue for polygamy:|

Tell her she can have multiple husbands!!! Now that would make things.... ummm.... gross.

 

[glugglug]

Something I just found out today about the 90,000 extra votes in Cuyahoga:

Even with that excessive total, a lot of precincts have ridiculously LOW turnout. Going to have to do some parsing of my own on this, some say 55 precincts below 40% with one at 7% turnout (66% average for the county).

Woodmere village on the other hand, has 8854 votes from 558 voters.

Who wants to wager on which way the "extra" votes in Woodmere go?

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/B...ntresults1.htm#Turnout

 

[Votingisanillusion]

Computer glitch still baffles county clerk

At about 7 p.m. Tuesday, it was noticed that the first two or three printouts from individual precinct reports all listed an identical number of voters. Each precinct was listed as having 300 registered voters.

That means the total number of voters for the county would be 22,200, although there are actually more than 79,000 registered voters.


Rutgers not only campus to report voting problems

Sheila Samples: 'The last battle'
Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurane of those whom they oppress."
-- Frederick Douglass, former slave and one of the most prominent African-American lecturers and authors in American history.


Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail

By Anthony Wade
www.opednews.com

Faced with mounting drumbeats from the Internet about voter fraud and the probability that Bush has stolen another election, the man behind the curtain stepped outside today to do a victory lap for his boss. The purposes for Rove?s talk show circuit appearance was not so much to talk about anything factual, as much as it was designed to lend credibility to a faltering electoral result by pretending nothing is wrong. Our media, ever absent from protecting us, was more than happy to capitulate.

Since election night, Rove has been at his dis-informational best. Faced with the accurate exit-polling that showed a Kerry landslide was imminent, it was Rove and the Bush cabal that came out to denounce the polling as ?skewed? and ?under-representing the Bush voters?. He offered no proof of course but it was wholly necessary to have a point of rebuttal before the Diebold machines kicked in and gave the election to his boy. The notion that somehow only people who voted for Kerry wanted to talk with exit pollsters is patently absurd. Millions of people had voted by the time the pollsters had made their initial findings known. Are we really to believe that time after time, in multiple states, at different polling sites, all Bush voters did not want to answer exit polls??? Why then were the exit polls correct in the two states with paper trails for their voting machines Karl? I guess the roving lunatic would have us believe that Bush-backers in those two states had no problem talking to the pollsters, but in those crucial states, such as Florida and Ohio , they got all nervous. Sure Karl.

Attempting to legitimize the results today Rove said, "The country is still close, but it has moved in a Republican direction. This election confirmed that". Well, not exactly Mr. Rove. What this election confirmed is that there was gross manipulation of the vote counts in at least 23 Florida counties. You see, when you look at small, traditional democratic counties in Florida , we actually now see a near reversal of the votes. For example, in Baker County, where Bush received around 7,700 votes there is no conceivable way that total could be reached. In order for that to have happened, all 3,000 registered republicans, all 800 non-affiliated voters, and 4,000 registered democrats would have had to have voted for Bush. That is 4,000 democrats out of less than 10,000, nearly 50%. C?mon Karl, what did you guys do with the computers? If Baker County was an anomaly then maybe we could say it was no big deal. Baker County is the rule however, not the exception. In over 20 counties, the results show that the reverse of what the voters? registrations should have born out. Twenty counties Karl. How long do you think you can continue to pimp this lie?

In discussing the exit polls Rove said today, "I mean, it had us 19 points down in Pennsylvania . It had us 17 points down in New Hampshire . It had us 1 point up in Virginia . I mean, you looked at these numbers, and you realize, this is just insane."

Insane Karl? People come out from voting and tell the pollsters who they voted for. Those results are compiled. There is nothing insane about this process. It has worked flawlessly for a long time now, at least until Bush came around. I can understand why it drove Rove insane, because it would be difficult to explain how so many registered democrats ALL seemed to reverse course on Election Day. You see, Karl Rove knew that the exit polls wouldn?t match the tampered results. Faced with this dilemma, he had no choice but to question the veracity of the exit polls. He started early on election eve, planting the seed. Then, when the ?votes? came in, he allowed the seed to grow, until it was the polls, not the votes that were questioned.

Unfortunately for Karl, the truth would remain hidden within the numbers. Maybe it would be Baker County or Lafayette County , but eventually someone would simply lay out the numbers in a spreadsheet and realize that there is no conceivable way that in so many counties, the exact opposite of the expected results turned out. Now, the plan is simple. Make the rounds on the talk shows, make everything seem legitimate. Ignore the fact that there are now 3,000 Freedom of Information Act inquiries pending regarding the computer records from this election. Ignore the fact that citizens in Ohio stormed the state building a few days ago protesting their disenfranchisement. Ignore the drumbeats from the real people who know that their will has been circumvented. Hope that eventually the American people will just get lazy again. They did in 2000, so why not expect the same this time around? Hope that you can just ignore the elephant in the room until the election is certified and your boy has his inauguration. Have him speak about ?spending his capital?. Keep repeating the lies that Bush has a mandate. Ignore, delay, and hope that we all just go away and don?t see you for what you are and what you represent.

You are nothing more than the man behind the curtain, representing lies, a failed president, and a stolen election. Sorry Karl, we are not going anywhere this time.


Anthony Wade is co-administrator of www.ibtp.org, a website devoted to educating the populace to the ongoing lies of President George W. Bush and seeking his removal from office. He is a 37-year-old independent writer from New York with political commentary articles seen on multiple websites. A Christian progressive and professional Rehabilitation Counselor working with the poor and disabled, Mr. Wade believes that you can have faith and hold elected officials accountable for lies and excess.

Anthony Wade?s Archive


Tell the Media to Cover VOTERGATE 2004!
Lots of email addresses to write to:
abcnews support@abcnews.go.com
Al Franken frankenal@hotmail.com
Alan Colmes colmes@foxnews.com
Bill O'reilly oreilly@foxnews.com
brian.williams@msnbc.com brian.williams@msnbc.com
Chris Matthews chris.matthews@msnbc.com
countdown@msnbc.com countdown@msnbc.com
crossfire@cnn.com crossfire@cnn.com
Dateline@NBC.com Dateline@NBC.com
editorCharlotteObserver opinion@charlotteobserver.com
EditorGuardian editor@guardianunlimited.co.uk
EditorTheStar oped@thestar.ca
hardball hardball@msnbc.com
Imus@msnbc.com Imus@msnbc.com
Jim Hightower info@jimhightower.com
Joe Conason jconason@observer.com
Meet the press MTP@NBC.com
Michael Moore mmflint@aol.com
Michael Moore news@michaelmoore.com
msnbc news World@MSNBC.com
msnbc tv viewerservices@msnbc.com
newsweek Letters@newsweek.com
newsweekweb WebEditors@newsweek.com
nightly@nbc.com nightly@nbc.com
Paul Krugman krugman@nytimes.com
PBSnewshour@pbs.org newshour@pbs.org
Sean Hannity hannity@foxnews.com
Today@NBC.com Today@NBC.com

You are not alone! Go read the mail received continuously at buzzflash!
HEre is one:
" I personally do not believe that Bush won this election. I think a combination of voter suppression, tampering with electronic black box totals that have no verifiable paper trail and under and over votes that were discarded caused the election to appear to have gone in Bush's favor. See: Greg Palast's web site.http://www.gregpalast.com/

If you look at the pattern, they did exactly what they did in 2000. Created an appearance that he won in the media and then made it look like Kerry fighting it would disrupt the unity of the country (well, Gore conceding certainly did not unite the country). So, my thinking is that-- progressives cannot ever win anything in this country again until we get control of the media-- Media Matters for America is a wonderful thing but it doesn't change anything.

We have to have a concerted, fierce effort to hit the media in the pocketbook. A good first idea would be to totally refuse to watch NBC and related stations because of their calling Ohio for Bush and not leaving a clear way for the vote counting to go forward. We need to boycott them and let them know that their viewership just sunk by the 47% (probably a lot more) of this country that wanted Kerry because we won't put up with their unfair and partisan behavior.

The common line is that they are "corporate" and control the slant and content of news. "Corporate" means "money." If they lose one-half of their viewership and the advertisers know why, they will not be as eager to be partisan. When the corporations that own these media outlets see that it is not in their interest to lean to the right, they will lean to the middle or the left.

Our efforts with Sinclair Broadcasting were certainly partially successful. Most far righters watch Fox and CNN--why should we allow their opinions and values to color the media that most of us watch?

If every progressive group, you guys, MoveOn, Common Cause and on and on start a long, consistent media boycott of the unfair we can change this. See Media Matters 11/4/04 for the myriad ways that all of the media influenced the election. This makes it clear what we have to do. If we do not, we will never achieve anything nationally.

Thank you,
Sandra Whiteknact"


The American Resistance; formed in response to Valid Outrage

You should be outraged that democracy has been made extinct, once again plundered of its inherent power arrived at by the will of the people. Democracy has been hijacked, becoming a farce, turning American elections into the dreams of despots and the realities of dictators. Third-world elections have been imported to the bastion of democracy, using new technology and systemic manipulation of voters to grant mandates and power, robbing the People of having any say in the future direction of the nation. The recipe for success has been perfected by the corporatist few, learned through careful study and American sponsored implementation in Latin America, Africa and Asia that for years has had the desired result of selecting American puppets, dictators and proctors.

The will of the people has been made extinct since 2000; democracy is now a rigged system of charades and mirages, now but a tool to make citizens believe they participate, belong to and help steer the direction of the nation. It is a fiction to retain control, to pacify the populace, to give the illusion that democracy works, that in 2000 George W. Bush was elected and that in 2004 George W. Bush received widespread approval for his failure and a mandate to continue his reign of ruination. Elections are now relegated to the realm of fantasyland; democracy has become a mere conduit for corporatist domination of our dreams, another charade in the system of control.

The appearance of clean elections pacifies the people and prevents us from seeing that the United States as we once knew it no longer exists. It prevents us from realizing that the unfathomable has come true, that in dictatorship do we now live. When votes and elections are stolen, when the voice of the People is trumped by the shouts of the corporate world, when a government fails to guard the interests of its citizens, when it sacrifices the good of the many for the exuberance of the few and when it makes worse the lives of millions for the benefit of corporate profit the realization arises that corporatism, the marriage of corporate interests and government power, has finally come out of the shadows to invade the nation and our lives.

Through rigged, hacked, glitched, manipulated, distorted, disappeared, disenfranchised, intimidated, lost, stolen and suppressed votes democracy has mutated into despotism, elections have become meaningless illusions to birth conformism and control the easily manipulated, the will of the people has been forever silenced and the nation once known as America has taken the next step in its degenerative road towards tyranny.

We should be outraged as hell.


Bev Harris & Howard Dean Hack the Vote, in 90 seconds - demonstration
Look at Bev in action (pictures included)! Then read the comments!
This one is very interesting, to say the least:
"First of all, I don?t claim to have any special knowledge, but I am a Computer Scientist and an Anthropologist, so I know about computers and people.



These are things that could ONLY HAPPEN if the files were MANUALLY changed.

1. New Mexico suddenly changed its votes by 10,000 for Bush around 1:00 am EST as reported by CNN shortly after Bush said he was waiting for the news networks to call New Mexico to make a victory speech. They actually said on air ?we don?t understand what happened? the numbers just CHANGED?.

2. 4000 extra votes were given to Bush in one Ohio county. It was as simple as adding a 4 in front of the rest of the votes for Bush.

3. Whoever was changing the votes made some small mistakes along the way leaving a trail of it all over the official web sites.

I took these screen shots myself off the official Ohio election web site the night of the election while votes were being tallied/changed
picture 1
picture 2



I guess we know why David Cobb got Kerry's votes at times during election night in Ohio. Who ever was MANUALLY editing the files accidentally gave Cobb the numbers instead of Kerry. That is the only way that could have happened. The program didn't do it. This is as easy as opening a file and changing 400 to 800 and then saving it. Wait? it is opening a file changing it then saving it!

4. This leaves a discrepancy between the number of voters in a county and the number of votes if the person who changed the votes only changed one number and didn't change others.

Note:
They did not need to be changed by the election officials or the people who were working on the computer. These computers were most likely hacked into (a very simple feat) and those hackers changed the numbers. While it is possible that the Bush Admin was responsible, you will get a much better response by pointing out that any old hacker could have done this EASY. It could have been a group of 10 hackers in the same room who are Bush fans, one per battleground state."

 

[Alistar7]

So does this mean that Kerry will get sworn in as the next Pres?

 

[glugglug]

Democrat registration in Ohio increased 250% between this election and the previous one. Republican registration only up 25%

And yet the official vote % ends up the same, thanks to the fixing.

George Bush and Peter King (R) NY announce that the Republicans won the election while it was being counted: "It's all over but the counting. And we'll take care of the counting." -- the camera doesn't lie

Keith Olberman on MSNBC just said one precinct in Youngstown, Ohio recorded NEGATIVE 25 MILLION votes (which ended up thrown out -- did they throw out the whole precinct?)

New Hampshire recount is ON first filed because they have the earliest deadline. Florida and Ohio are next. (Although for touchscreen counties will it need to be a re-vote?)

 

[glugglug]

New York Times explains why there is so little media coverage - Journalists threatened with jail time:

Our Not-So-Free Press
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Published: November 10, 2004
Columnist Page: Nicholas D. Kristof
Kristof Responds: The Columnist Addresses Readers' E-mail

Forum: Discuss This Column

E-mail: nicholas@nytimes.com

Freedom of The Press



Paging China! Help us! Urge the U.S. government to respect freedom of the press!

It does sound topsy-turvy, doesn't it? Generally, it's China and Zimbabwe that are throwing journalists in prison, while the U.S. denounces the repression over there.

But now similar abuses are about to unfold within the United States, part of an alarming new pattern of assault on American freedom of the press. In the last few months, three different U.S. federal judges, each appointed by President Ronald Reagan, have found a total of eight journalists in contempt of court for refusing to reveal confidential sources, and the first of them may go to prison before the year is out. Some of the rest may be in prison by spring.

The first reporter likely to go to jail is Jim Taricani, a television reporter for the NBC station in Providence, R.I. Mr. Taricani obtained and broadcast, completely legally, a videotape of a city official as he accepted an envelope full of cash.

U.S. District Judge Ernest Torres found Mr. Taricani in contempt for refusing to identify the person he got the videotape from, and the judge fined him $1,000 a day. That hasn't broken Mr. Taricani, so Judge Torres has set a hearing for Nov. 18 to decide whether to squeeze him further by throwing him in jail.

Then there's Patrick Fitzgerald, the overzealous special prosecutor who is the Inspector Javert of our age. Mr. Fitzgerald hasn't made any progress in punishing the White House officials believed to have leaked the identity of the C.I.A. officer Valerie Plame to Robert Novak. But Mr. Fitzgerald seems determined to imprison two reporters who committed no crime, Judith Miller of The New York Times and Matthew Cooper of Time, because they won't blab about confidential sources.

Federal District Judge Thomas Hogan is threatening to send them to prison; a hearing is set for Dec. 8. As for Mr. Novak, he is in no apparent jeopardy, for reasons that remain unclear.

Then there's a third case, a civil suit between the nuclear scientist Wen Ho Lee and the government. Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson held five reporters who are not even parties to the suit in contempt for refusing to reveal confidential sources.

In yet another case, the Justice Department is backing a prosecutor's effort to get a record of telephone calls made by two New York Times reporters - uncovering all their confidential sources in the fall of 2001. Put all this together, and we're seeing a broad assault on freedom of the press that would appall us if it were happening in Kazakhstan.

Responsibility lies primarily with the judges rather than with the Bush administration, except for the demand for phone records and for the appointment of Inspector Javert as special prosecutor. But it's probably not a coincidence that we're seeing an offensive against press freedoms during an administration that has a Brezhnevian fondness for secrecy.

We journalists are in this mess partly because we're widely seen as arrogant and biased, and we need to wrestle seriously with those issues. But when reporters face jail for doing their jobs, the ultimate victim is the free flow of information, the circulatory system of any democracy.

The Chinese government recently arrested Zhao Yan, a research assistant for The New York Times in Beijing, and the Bush administration has been very helpful about protesting the case. Maybe Colin Powell can work out a deal: the Chinese government will stop imprisoning journalists if the U.S. government will do the same.

Protecting confidential sources has been a sacred ethical precept in publishing ever since John Twyn was arrested in 1663 for printing a book that offended the king. Twyn refused to reveal the name of the book's author, so he was publicly castrated and disemboweled, and his limbs severed from his body. Each piece of his body was nailed to a London gate or bridge.

So, on the bright side, we have evidently progressed.

In May, Iran's secret police detained me in Tehran and demanded that I identify a revolutionary guard I had quoted as saying "to hell with the mullahs." My interrogators threatened to imprison me unless I revealed my source. But after a standoff, the Iranian goons let me go. Imprisoning Western journalists for protecting their sources was too medieval, even for them. Let's hope the U.S. judicial system shows the same restraint as those Iranian thugs.

Sheldon Drobny, co-founder of Air America Radio, says exit polls in Ohio and Florida accurate to within 1/2 and 1/10 of a percent.

North carolina may be RE-VOTING!!! An excellent precedent I say -- granted the reason for this is not for President but for superintendent of public instruction and agriculture commissioner.

 

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About the attacks of the Bush administration against journalists (and the censorship by US corporate media of stories about the Bush family), you can listen to a recent interview of Greg Palast by Robert McChesney at: Media Matters on WILL-AM
Many other great interviews to listen to online (post election, too), or to download (mp3).


Bush's 'Incredible' Vote Tallies

" George W. Bush?s vote tallies, especially in the key state of Florida, are so statistically stunning that they border on the unbelievable.

While it?s extraordinary for a candidate to get a vote total that exceeds his party?s registration in any voting jurisdiction ? because of non-voters ? Bush racked up more votes than registered Republicans in 47 out of 67 counties in Florida. In 15 of those counties, his vote total more than doubled the number of registered Republicans and in four counties, Bush more than tripled the number.

Statewide, Bush earned about 20,000 more votes than registered Republicans.

By comparison, in 2000, Bush?s Florida total represented about 85 percent of the total number of registered Republicans, about 2.9 million votes compared with 3.4 million registered Republicans.

Bush achieved these totals although exit polls showed him winning only about 14 percent of the Democratic vote statewide ? statistically the same as in 2000 when he won 13 percent of the Democratic vote ? and losing Florida?s independent voters to Kerry by a 57 percent to 41 percent margin. In 2000, Gore won the independent vote by a much narrower margin of 47 to 46 percent.

Republican pollster Dick Morris said the Election Night pattern of mistaken exit polls favoring Kerry in six battleground states ? Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada and Iowa ? was virtually inconceivable.

?Exit polls are almost never wrong,? Morris wrote. ?So reliable are the surveys that actually tap voters as they leave the polling places that they are used as guides to the relative honesty of elections in Third World countries. ? To screw up one exit poll is unheard of. To miss six of them is incredible. It boggles the imagination how pollsters could be that incompetent and invites speculation that more than honest error was at play here.?

But instead of following his logic that the discrepancy suggested vote tampering ? as it would in Latin America, Africa or Eastern Europe ? Morris postulated a bizarre conspiracy theory that the exit polls were part of a scheme to have the networks call the election for Kerry and thus discourage Bush voters on the West Coast. Of course, none of the networks did call any of the six states for Kerry, making Morris?s conspiracy theory nonsensical. Nevertheless, some Democrats have agreed with Morris's bottom-line recommendation that the whole matter deserves ?more scrutiny and investigation.? (The Hill, Nov. 8, 2004

Bush increased his turnout in all 67 Florida counties, marking the second consecutive election in which Bush increased Republican vote totals in all Florida counties, and overall achieved a 34 percent increase in Florida votes over his 2000 total.

Since Bob Dole?s 1996 turnout of 2.24 million Florida votes, Bush has increased the GOP?s performance in the state by an astonishing 74 percent. Making Bush?s gains even more impressive, Kerry also saw gains in all but five Florida counties and in 22 counties earned at least 10,000 more votes than Gore earned in 2000.

Exceeding Kerry

But Bush?s vote gains exceeded Kerry?s in all the large counties in the state except in heavily Democratic Miami-Dade, where Kerry increased his turnout by 56,000 new votes compared with Bush?s 40,000 new votes. This Democratic improvement in Miami-Dade seems to have come in large part from Democratic success in registering new voters in the county by almost a 2-to-1 margin over Republicans.

In spite of this new-voter registration advantage, Kerry only earned a 7-to-5 increase of new voter turnout over Bush in Miami-Dade, a statistical oddity given the fact that Kerry did a better job than Gore in turning out his Democratic base, earning a vote total equaling 85 percent of all registered Democrats in the county compared with Gore?s total in 2000 equaling 83 percent of all registered Democrats.

In other Democratic strongholds of Broward and Palm Beach counties, Kerry gained 114,000 new voters, earning nearly 770,000 votes, and bested Bush by more than 320,000 votes. But, this was actually a modest improvement for Bush over 2000, thanks to Bush?s increase of 119,000 new voters in these counties, from 330,000 votes in 2000 to 449,000 votes in 2004.

Bush?s performance in these two counties is worth studying in greater detail. In both counties, Democrats saw a significant increase in new voter registration since 2000, more than 77,000 newly registered Democrats in Broward and 34,000 newly registered Democrats in Palm Beach.

Republicans on the other hand only registered 17,000 new voters in Broward and a bit more than 2,000 new voters in Palm Beach. While both counties saw substantial numbers of new unaffiliated or third party registered voters, the Democratic advantage in both counties combined of more than 111,000 newly registered Dems against fewer than 20,000 newly registered GOP voters, as well as the voter intensity that these new registration rates usually represent, suggested that Kerry should have done better than Bush relative to the 2000 election.

Instead, Bush actually increased his vote total in the two counties by earning about 5,000 more new voters than Kerry.

New Level

Beyond southern Florida, Bush took turnout throughout the state to a new level, testing the bounds of statistical probability by winning votes seemingly from every corner of the state, from the panhandle to the Gulf Coast, from the I-4 corridor to the Atlantic Coast from Jacksonville to Miami.

Another county worth examining in some detail is Orange County, a swing county home to Orlando in the center of the state. As in Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, and Broward counties, Democrats successfully registered substantially more new voters than Republicans, about 49,000 new Democrats against about 25,000 new Republicans.

These gains broke what was once a statistical tie in registered voters between the parties, giving Democrats a 214,000 to 187,000 advantage across the county. But Kerry only managed a narrow countywide victory with 192,030 votes against 191,389 votes for Bush. In 2000, Gore carried the county with 140,115 votes against 134,476 votes for Bush.

While it's conceivable Bush might have achieved these and other gains through his hardball campaign strategies and strong get-out-the-vote effort, many Americans, looking at these and other statistically incredible Bush vote counts, are likely to continue to suspect that the Republicans put a thumb on the electoral scales, somehow exaggerating Bush's tallies through manipulation of computer tabulations.

Only an open-minded investigation with public scrutiny would have much hope of quelling these rising suspicions."