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[Votingisanillusion]

Electronic Voting: The Stolen Election of 2004
Everyone should read it and send it to friends and family! Prepare to be shocked! And realize that the billionaires' puppet media hide the truth from you. Billionaires and corporations prefer to make the elections with their machines. Corporations are not democratic, in case you did not notice. They will not protect democracy. They will not tell you they took over democracy.

The best news site about the 2004 election!
Lots of essential articles to understand the issue of vote fraud
Did you know that Two Voting Companies & Two Brothers Will Count 80% of U.S. Election?
No, not the Bush brothers.


Let's start with screenshots of exit polls on CNN at 12:21 am and 01:41 am:
http://www.democraticundergrou...pic_id=1290765#1295180
Mathematically impossible. The 57 respondents added to the 1963 are not enough to account for the modifications of the percentages. Kerry was the clear winner of the exit polls until someone decided to change the exit polls.
The exit polls at Slate:
Updated Late Afternoon Numbers-Mucho flattering to Kerry

Now on to another image:
The evidence is clear. In states with paper ballots and audit trails, the exit polls did indeed predict the results. In states using electronic voting machines, the results from the voting machines were skewed towards Bush:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/exit_poll.gif

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=392&amp;row=0">Kerry Won.
Here are the Facts.</a>
Bush won Ohio by 136,483 votes. Typically in the United States, about 3 percent of votes cast are voided?known as ?spoilage? in election jargon?because the ballots cast are inconclusive. Drawing on what happened in Florida and studies of elections past, Palast argues that if Ohio?s discarded ballots were counted, Kerry would have won the state. Today, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports there are a total of 247,672 votes not counted in Ohio, if you add the 92,672 discarded votes plus the 155,000 provisional ballots. So far there's no indication that Palast's hypothesis will be tested because only the provisional ballots are being counted.


http://www.gregpalast.com/deta...fm?artid=389&amp;row=0
Monday Nov 1, 2004 by Greg Palast
It's not even Election Day yet, and the Kerry-Edwards campaign is already down by a almost a million votes. That's because, in important states like Ohio, Florida and New Mexico, voter names have been systematically removed from the rolls and absentee ballots have been overlooked?overwhelmingly in minority areas, like Rio Arriba County, New Mexico, where Hispanic voters have a 500 percent greater chance of their vote being "spoiled."

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;cid=536&amp;e=4&amp;u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems">Friday 6:08 PM
Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Ohio Votes</a>

November 3, 2004 - The Ghost Votes in the Machine
Voting Snafus Across the Nation

November 5, 2004 - First Protect Your Vote
Lessons for Democrats on Fixing Elections from Chicago

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/110504_snap_out.shtml">Now is the Time to Attack on the Fronts Where We
Have Real Power</a>
The rest of the world has known for some time that it is pointless to oppose this Empire either militarily or electorally. They haven't the resources for the former and are legally barred from the latter. I think it's time the American people adopted the same philosophy. We are, after all, legally barred from inspecting electronic voting machines. The rest of the world has been fighting with money and public relations because these tactics work and work well. This is a lesson that American activists and true patriots should have learned four years ago.


Want to know more about the exit polls?
Some of you remember that Voter News Service, a consortium of major networks, was supposed to provide exit polling info from the national 2002 election. Instead, VNS melted down on election day.
Lynn Landes at www.ecotalk.org has done a lot of research on VNS, and the whole VNS story and its history just has a bad odor to it.
Okay, here we are in the present. Guess who is doing exit polling for the major networks -- the same guy who founded VNS, working with something called Edison Media Research.
Then he feeds the AP with his numbers. Can you trust the AP? They officialy announced the victory of Bush weeks ago...by mistake
What can of mistake is this? The same they commited in 1963, when they announced Lee Harvey Oswald was JFK's "lone nut killer"a day before.
The AP: feeding the exit polls to TV...and batting for a Bush presidency
how a private company secretly runs the elections in Chicago (and for 60 million other voters) and feeds the AP
Investigation of Voter News Service. Smelled bad in 2000 already.

The best sites about the issue of election fraud in the USA:
Black Box Voting: Ballot - Tampering in the 21st Century
www.legitgov.org
http://www.votescam.com/
http://www.ballotintegrity.org/
http://www.wesavedemocracy.org/
An essential book online: Vote Fraud And Election Issues
Pledge of Action to Stop a Stolen Election

 

[Votingisanillusion]

To understand better what is going on now, it is necessary to understand precisely what happened in 2000.
Did you see this documentary: Unprecedented - 2000 Presidential Election (2002)?

Another one: "Election 2000: The Stolen Presidency," which features Vincent
Bugliosi (Helter Skelter author) explaining how Bush was improperly
elected in the eyes of the Constitution and BBC reporter Greg Palast
explaining how the election in Florida was rigged to favor Bush. This
docu is *not* "conspiracy" stuff--it's documented and real. These are
two real journalists and authors who have their facts straight.
Watch it here in quicktime format! Now!

Can you trust the media to tell you everything?
Did you see Orwell rolls in his grave??
What about Outfoxed - Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism
And Manufacturing Consent - Noam Chomsky and the Media

Do you know Robert McChesney?
Rich Media, Poor Democracy: Communication Politics in Dubious Times
The first paperback edition of a myth-breaking book on media, from one of today's most reputable and insightful media historian/critics. Winner of Harvard's Goldsmith Book Prize, Rich Media, Poor Democracy challenges the assumption that a society drenched in commercial information "choices" is a democratic one. Robert McChesney, whom Marc Crispin Miller calls "the greatest of our media historians," argues that the major beneficiaries of the so-called Information Age are wealthy investors, advertisers, and a handful of enormous media, computer, and telecommunications corporations. This concentrated corporate control, McChesney maintains, is disastrous for any notion of participatory democracy. Combining unprecedented detail on current events with historical sweep, in a book Noam Chomsky calls a "rich and penetrating study," McChesney chronicles the waves of media mergers and acquisitions in the late 1990s. He reviews the corrupt and secretive enactment of public policies surrounding the internet, digital television, and public broadcasting. He also addresses the gradual and ominous adaptation of the First Amendment as a means of shielding corporate media power and the wealthy, and he debunks the myth that the market compels media firms to "give the people what they want." In an eye-opening call to action, McChesney warns that we must organize politically to restructure the media if we want democracy to endure.
You can also check hi s new books for solutions: Our Media, Not Theirs: The Democratic Struggle Against Corporate Media
Or listen to him:
ed2k://|file|Robert%20McChesney%20How%20and%20Why%20the%20Media%20is%20Censored%201of2.mp3|25185888|530CE8EA1395790FC8CD3C0ED7088D0C|/
ed2k://|file|Robert%20McChesney%20How%20and%20Why%20the%20Media%20is%20Censored%202of2.mp3|13809744|BA32529C6DC490D4572340A0E82233CD|/

 

[glugglug]

Voting machines roll over and "count backwards" after 32767 votes for the same choice:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...041105/lo_wplg/2439900

Something that would only happen in populated areas where you get > 32000 voters in a precinct, meaning all the thrown out votes end up in blue counties.

 

[alchemize]

O'Dell's statement

"I can see it now, but I never imagined that people could say that just because you've got a political favorite that you might commit this treasonous felony atrocity to try to change the outcome of an election," he said. "I wouldn't and couldn't."

So go for it, prove it.

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: alchemize

So go for it, prove it.

Because we've never heard of a Republican LYING before.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: alchemize

So go for it, prove it.

Because we've never heard of a Republican LYING before.

He might be lying, he might be telling the truth. Don't you believe in due process? Get your lawyers and prove it.

 

[Votingisanillusion]

Many great fresh articles at http://www.commondreams.org/
They are investigating hard. Their first front page article: EVIDENCE MOUNTS THAT THE VOTE WAS HACKED:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
Excerpt: "When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.

"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.

And evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004. "

Also by the same investigator: The Ultimate Felony Against Democracy

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Many great fresh articles at http://www.commondreams.org/
They are investigating hard. Their first front page article: EVIDENCE MOUNTS THAT THE VOTE WAS HACKED:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

Even I am more than sceptical on this one. It says

in Florida's smaller counties the results from the optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking - seem to have been reversed.

In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry.

In Dixie County, with 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush.

The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the smaller counties where, it was probably assumed, the small voter numbers wouldn't be much noticed. Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7% registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush.

These smaller counties really are composed almost entirely of redneck hicks. The vote totals in those counties that page is claiming are reversed don't sound so crazy to me -- the registration ratios do, and I think THOSE are backwards in this case. The larger Florida counties with the touch screens have more questionable numbers in my opinion.

 

[Darkhawk28]

There are errors out there... there's no doubt of that. But, only an investigation and full audit of the votes and the e-voting machines can fully expose the full truth.

The Presidential race got approximately 235,000 more votes than the total number of voters.... that including absentee. This is Florida, btw. That screams for the very least, a thorough inquiry.

 

[Votingisanillusion]

Check the many active discussions about the election and its investigation at:
http://www.dailykos.com/

 

[glugglug]

Kerry lead in exit polls vs. "final" vote counts:

Paper ballot states

Electronic voting states with no audit trail

Notice a trend?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: alchemize

So go for it, prove it.

Because we've never heard of a Republican LYING before.

He might be lying, he might be telling the truth. Don't you believe in due process? Get your lawyers and prove it.

Why are you ignoring my question, GlugGlug? Don't you believe in due process?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: glugglug
Kerry lead in exit polls vs. "final" vote counts:

Paper ballot states

Electronic voting states with no audit trail

Notice a trend?

Dick Morris has even publicly stated that exit polling is hugely accurate. All of a sudden, they're waaaay off... bullsh*t. How convenient...

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: alchemize

So go for it, prove it.

Because we've never heard of a Republican LYING before.

He might be lying, he might be telling the truth. Don't you believe in due process? Get your lawyers and prove it.

Why are you ignoring my question, GlugGlug? Don't you believe in due process?

Yes, I believe in due process. I'm sure this election WILL end up in the courts. I fear the effect the ill-gotten corrupt Republican majority in both the legislative and judicial branches will have on that due process.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: glugglug
Kerry lead in exit polls vs. "final" vote counts:

Paper ballot states

Electronic voting states with no audit trail

Notice a trend?

Dick Morris has even publicly stated that exit polling is hugely accurate. All of a sudden, they're waaaay off... bullsh*t. How convenient...

Actually, here's what he said since you want to quote him out of context:

MORRIS: Exit polling is by far the most accurate form of polling. In thirty years I've never seen an exit poll be wrong.

O'REILLY: So you think this was juiced?

MORRIS: Juiced. I use exit pollings in foreign campaigns as a check on the government's count...

O'REILLY (interrupts): Are you accusing ABC News of cooking their poll?

MORRIS: I'm accusing somebody of cooking those polls.

O'REILLY (feigning innocent surprise): Really?

MORRIS: Now they could be cooked by the pollster. They could have been by the network. They could have been by the Democratic Party flooding those polling places with specific voters at a certain time. But somehow or other there was a deliberate effort, in my judgment, to show Kerry farther ahead than he was to influence the Bush turnout in the rest of the country....

Funny how the AM lines were HUGE (representing all the "pissed off get out the vote voters"), while the rest of the day the lines were much more in line with the turnout.

Keep digging Morriss suggests the following also:

MORRIS (interrupts): It's also a civil rights violation because it's an effect on the franchise. I think there oughta be a Congressional investigation of it. It's hard enough to see how they get one exit poll wrong. But to get ten of them wrong and to have the networks get 'em wrong? I've never seen an exit poll be wrong and, by the way, while the exit polls were wrong, the hard thing, the regular polls, were right.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: alchemize

So go for it, prove it.

Because we've never heard of a Republican LYING before.

He might be lying, he might be telling the truth. Don't you believe in due process? Get your lawyers and prove it.

Why are you ignoring my question, GlugGlug? Don't you believe in due process?

Yes, I believe in due process. I'm sure this election WILL end up in the courts. I fear the effect the ill-gotten corrupt Republican majority in both the legislative and judicial branches will have on that due process.

I see. So you believe in due process, but pre-emptively reject the results. Cute

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: glugglug
Kerry lead in exit polls vs. "final" vote counts:

Paper ballot states

Electronic voting states with no audit trail

Notice a trend?

Dick Morris has even publicly stated that exit polling is hugely accurate. All of a sudden, they're waaaay off... bullsh*t. How convenient...

Actually, here's what he said since you want to quote him out of context:

MORRIS: Exit polling is by far the most accurate form of polling. In thirty years I've never seen an exit poll be wrong.

O'REILLY: So you think this was juiced?

MORRIS: Juiced. I use exit pollings in foreign campaigns as a check on the government's count...

O'REILLY (interrupts): Are you accusing ABC News of cooking their poll?

MORRIS: I'm accusing somebody of cooking those polls.

O'REILLY (feigning innocent surprise): Really?

MORRIS: Now they could be cooked by the pollster. They could have been by the network. They could have been by the Democratic Party flooding those polling places with specific voters at a certain time. But somehow or other there was a deliberate effort, in my judgment, to show Kerry farther ahead than he was to influence the Bush turnout in the rest of the country....

Funny how the AM lines were HUGE (representing all the "pissed off get out the vote voters"), while the rest of the day the lines were much more in line with the turnout.

Keep digging Morriss suggests the following also:

MORRIS (interrupts): It's also a civil rights violation because it's an effect on the franchise. I think there oughta be a Congressional investigation of it. It's hard enough to see how they get one exit poll wrong. But to get ten of them wrong and to have the networks get 'em wrong? I've never seen an exit poll be wrong and, by the way, while the exit polls were wrong, the hard thing, the regular polls, were right.

Exit polling accurate historically and in almost all states: FACT
Morris' accusation of Dems flooding and fixing exit polls: Speculation at best.
Vote totals in tons of counties in Ohio and Florida being screwy and worth investigation: BIG TIME FACT

Please try again.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Exit polling accurate historically and in almost all states: FACT

how accurate was the 2002 exit polls? were they so bad they doid not even show them?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: glugglug
Kerry lead in exit polls vs. "final" vote counts:

Paper ballot states

Electronic voting states with no audit trail

Notice a trend?

Dick Morris has even publicly stated that exit polling is hugely accurate. All of a sudden, they're waaaay off... bullsh*t. How convenient...

Actually, here's what he said since you want to quote him out of context:

MORRIS: Exit polling is by far the most accurate form of polling. In thirty years I've never seen an exit poll be wrong.

O'REILLY: So you think this was juiced?

MORRIS: Juiced. I use exit pollings in foreign campaigns as a check on the government's count...

O'REILLY (interrupts): Are you accusing ABC News of cooking their poll?

MORRIS: I'm accusing somebody of cooking those polls.

O'REILLY (feigning innocent surprise): Really?

MORRIS: Now they could be cooked by the pollster. They could have been by the network. They could have been by the Democratic Party flooding those polling places with specific voters at a certain time. But somehow or other there was a deliberate effort, in my judgment, to show Kerry farther ahead than he was to influence the Bush turnout in the rest of the country....

Funny how the AM lines were HUGE (representing all the "pissed off get out the vote voters"), while the rest of the day the lines were much more in line with the turnout.

Keep digging Morriss suggests the following also:

MORRIS (interrupts): It's also a civil rights violation because it's an effect on the franchise. I think there oughta be a Congressional investigation of it. It's hard enough to see how they get one exit poll wrong. But to get ten of them wrong and to have the networks get 'em wrong? I've never seen an exit poll be wrong and, by the way, while the exit polls were wrong, the hard thing, the regular polls, were right.

Exit polling accurate historically and in almost all states: FACT
Morris' accusation of Dems flooding and fixing exit polls: Speculation at best.
Vote totals in tons of counties in Ohio and Florida being screwy and worth investigation: BIG TIME FACT

Please try again.

Why would you quote him as an expert, then discount the rest of his opinion?

tons of turnout early AM. Are you also discounting that?

Everything you are commenting on is speculation at best. You speculate that felonies would be comitted by one party, but discount that exit polls might be skewed by another. Laughable. Readjust your blinders. We'll talk when this gets off of "commondreams.org" and all the other fruitcake sore loser websites.

 

[Votingisanillusion]

Found this on the Politics section of Slashdot:
Johns Hopkins Computer Science professor Avi Rubin, posted his experience as an election judge on his website. It's an interesting read and exposes some potential security problems with electronic voting. At one point he held in his hand the five memory cards containing all of his precinct's votes."
http://www.avirubin.com/judge2.html

 

[Votingisanillusion]

E-Voting News and Analysis, from the Experts
"Welcome to evoting-experts.com, a central source of up-to-date information and insight about e-voting, straight from some of the leading independent experts on computerized voting technology. Our distinguished panelists will post messages on the site continuously through election day and afterward.
This is a non-partisan site. Our goal here is not to advance any political agenda, but to help ensure that all votes are counted fairly and accurately, and to provide honest expert commentary to the public and the press."
The famous computer security expert Bruce Schneier works with them.
They have a lot of reports of incidents coming in continuously.
Their comments are cold-blooded.

 

[glugglug]

Wouldn't it be funny if Nader wins it for the dems?

Nader files for a recount in NH: http://www.nashuatelegraph.com...WS02/111060040/-1/news

 

[Valvoline6]

I thought Kerry already won New Hampshire? At least this is one recount the democrats would legitimately win.

Originally posted by: glugglug
Wouldn't it be funny if Nader wins it for the dems?

Nader files for a recount in NH: http://www.nashuatelegraph.com...WS02/111060040/-1/news

 

[glugglug]

I meant if Nader does this in other states as well.

 

[Valvoline6]

Nader better have deeeep pockets then. Unless he lost by 1% or less he has to pay for the recount in most states, including NH. So it's doubtful the NH recount will take place.

Originally posted by: glugglug
I meant if Nader does this in other states as well.