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Mill

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This wouldn't be our good friend KAMAZON, would it? Edonkey links and all? Didn't another troll use edonkey crap as well?
 

Votingisanillusion

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Anyone find it unusual that the OP is a brand new user today?

Alright, you got me. I do not know what to do with my life now. Nobody will hire me since I am a public failure. My wife is so rich I am not motivated by any job: showing her my paycheck would be a humiliation. So I hide in front of my PC, trying to get a revenge. I am mr. Ketchup.
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Anyone find it unusual that the OP is a brand new user today?

Alright, you got me. I do not know what to do with my life now. Nobody will hire me since I am a public failure. My wife is so rich I am not motivated by any job: showing her my paycheck would be a humiliation. So I hide in front of my PC, trying to get a revenge. I am mr. Ketchup.

Pretty cool how you logged on so quickly after I posted in this thread...

I put you on my buddy list... Shows when you're on.
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Anyone find it unusual that the OP is a brand new user today?

Alright, you got me. I do not know what to do with my life now. Nobody will hire me since I am a public failure. My wife is so rich I am not motivated by any job: showing her my paycheck would be a humiliation. So I hide in front of my PC, trying to get a revenge. I am mr. Ketchup.

And then -- definitive proof of this being a weak troll attempt.
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Anyone find it unusual that the OP is a brand new user today?

Alright, you got me. I do not know what to do with my life now. Nobody will hire me since I am a public failure. My wife is so rich I am not motivated by any job: showing her my paycheck would be a humiliation. So I hide in front of my PC, trying to get a revenge. I am mr. Ketchup.

And then -- definitive proof of this being a weak troll attempt.


;)
 

glugglug

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Votingisanillusion

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Great article: Electronic Voting: The Stolen Election of 2004
Everyone should read it and send it to friends and family!
Excerpt:
"Air America Radio?s Mike Malloy gave the most succinct and passionate explanation in his Wednesday, November 3, 2004 , program [my links included-LC]:

"The American vote count is controlled by three major corporate players, Diebold , ESS , Sequoia , and a fourth, SAIC , Science Applications International. All four are hard-wired into the Bush power structure, the Bush crime family.

They have been given millions of dollars by the Bush regime to complete a sweeping computerization of voting machines that were just used in the 2004 election. The technology involved had a trial run during the 2002 mid-term elections. Georgia had Diebold machines in every precinct. As a result, a popular Democratic governor and senator were both unseated in what the media called an "amazing" 16 percent swing.

Diebold?s Walden O?Dell, a top Bush fundraiser, publicly committed himself to delivering his home state Ohio?s votes to Bush. At Diebold, the election division is run by Bob Urosevich. Bob?s brother, Todd, is a top executive at "rival" ES&S. The brothers were originally staked by Howard Ahmanson, a member of the Council For National Policy , a right-wing steering group stacked with Bush true believers. Ahmanson is also one of the bagmen behind the extremist Christian Reconstruction Movement , which advocates the theocratic takeover of American democracy.

The four companies are interconnected; they are not four "competitors". Ahmanson has large stakes in ES&S, whose former CEO was Republican Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska. When Hagel ran for office, his own company counted the votes, and his victory was considered "an amazing upset". Hagel still has a million dollar stake in ES&S.

Sequoia is the corporate parent of a private equity firm, Madison Dearborn , which is partner in the Carlyle Group . (Also see here .)

Meanwhile, SAIC is referred to a "shadowy defense contractor". They have gotten into the vote count game both directly and through spinoffs by its top brass, including Admiral Bill Owens, former military aide to Dick Cheney, and Carlyle Group honcho Frank Carlucci and ex-CIA chief Robert Gates. SAIC?s history of fraud charges and security "lapses" haven?t prevented it from becoming one of the largest Pentagon and CIA contractors, and will doubtless encounter few obstacles in its entrance into the vote counting business.

The mad rush to install these unverifiable computers is driven by the Help America Vote Act, signed by Bush! The chief lobbying group pushing for the act (while we dumb asses sat out here and thought, ?That sounds like a good idea!?) was a consortium of arms dealers including Northrup Grumman and Lockheed Martin ."
 

chess9

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"the Bush crime family"

Lesson Number One in how to ruin an argument: OVERSTATE YOUR CASE BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR CASE.

-Robert
 

Votingisanillusion

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Originally posted by: chess9
"the Bush crime family"

Lesson Number One in how to ruin an argument: OVERSTATE YOUR CASE BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR CASE.

-Robert

Everyone knows that Bush and his accomplices got 100000 human beings killed in Iraq. All of that to further enrich their criminal partners: the military industry and the giant oil corporations, and to expand Wall Street's empire. Isn't it obvious it is a crime? Do I have to prove this is a crime?
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: glugglug
Originally posted by: alchemize

So go for it, prove it.

Because we've never heard of a Republican LYING before.
He might be lying, he might be telling the truth. Don't you believe in due process? Get your lawyers and prove it.
Why are you ignoring my question, GlugGlug? Don't you believe in due process?

Quit TROLLING this thread
 

yankeesfan

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Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Originally posted by: chess9
"the Bush crime family"

Lesson Number One in how to ruin an argument: OVERSTATE YOUR CASE BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR CASE.

-Robert

Everyone knows that Bush and his accomplices got 100000 human beings killed in Iraq. All of that to further enrich their criminal partners: the military industry and the giant oil corporations, and to expand Wall Street's empire. Isn't it obvious it is a crime? Do I have to prove this is a crime?

Yes. In fact, prove that it happenned.
 

cquark

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Here's a list of e-voting problems discovered so far:

* Columbus, OH - An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes. Franklin County?s unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry?s 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOL...05/voting.problems.ap/

* Broward Co., FL ? ES&S software on their machines only reads 32,000 votes at a precinct then it starts counting backwards: http://www.news4jax.com/politics/3890292/detail.html

* Wichita Co., TX ? Nearly 6,900 of 26,000 total early votes had ?undervote? for President. Human error to blame. County has software problems that need ES&S to fix before they can run ballots: http://www.timesrecordnews.com...N_5784_3303816,00.html

* Lancaster Co., SC ? Unilect Patriot voting machines were used and failed. Printouts of votes had to be taken from the machines memories and hand-counted: http://www.charlotte.com/mld/o...ews/local/10094349.htm

* Mecklenburg Co., NC ? More votes registered than voters: http://www.charlotte.com/mld/c.../politics/10094165.htm

* Volusia Co., FL ? Diebold optical-scan machines had another failure with 6 machines having memory card failures. ?Ion Sancho, the elections supervisor in Leon County, said officials with Diebold told him that the new, higher-capacity memory cards tend to have more glitches than older cards.?: http://www.orlandosentinel.com...oll=orl-news-headlines

* Craven Co., NC - Software glitch forces a recount which changes the outcome in one race.: http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteP...8297&Section=Local

* San Francisco, CA - A glitch in the new tabulation software made by ES&S to handle IRV/RCV voting (more here) stoped the counting and forced a recount of 81,000 ballots.: http://www.internetweek.com/al...tml?articleID=52200321

* Sarpy County, NE - 3000 ?phantom votes? show up after an audit reveals that some tabulation equipment counted votes twice. (I?m not sure if this is optical scan or some other system? they used optical scan in 2002): http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1161971.html
 

glugglug

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262 Election issues -- thats right, 262 separate problems in counties across the country. Some of them dealing with counts off by over 70,000 votes in a single county: 262 separate news stories linked within: election issue DB


45 in Florida, 22 in Ohio
 

Votingisanillusion

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Where Do We Go From Here?

"Sunday November 7th at 8:41 AM

By Chuck Zlatkin

Before you go and sign up for the Hillary in ?08 bandwagon, step back and take a look at what just happened to us. As soon as we are prepared to see it, we can experience the truth that the presidential election in 2004 was stolen, too. This was a more sophisticated heist on a much grander scale than 2000.

We shouldn?t feel bad that we were fooled again. We are a basically good people who still have problems seeing the depths of the evil that the rulers perpetrate. It is beyond our vision. It is something that we wouldn?t be capable of doing ourselves. In our lives we have told little lies, but nothing that would come close to scope of the rulers? BIG LIES.

We are constantly being fed an elaborate drama that clouds our minds, wastes our time, saps our energy, diminishes our spirit and depletes our resources. Our minds were so clouded by this drama that, even though we are in the midst of a war, our anti-war movement put itself on hold to campaign for a pro-war candidate. And we are upset because he ?lost.? With all the indications that this election was stolen, Kerry, like Gore before him, didn?t fight against the theft of his own election by galvanizing the citizenry in protest. You have to question any political campaign that does not want its people to become a movement.

The main reason that the Howard Dean campaign was a threat to the rulers was the fact that it he was leading a growing movement. Most of us didn?t expect the kind of campaign that Howard Dean and his campaign manager Joe Trippi ended up putting together. While they were building a grass roots movement in the community of cyberspace, they were also showing that democracy was still possible in a winning campaign. What Howard Dean was revealing was that he had started a movement that was in the process of turning the Democratic Party into a truly democratic party.

It didn?t just implode.

The rulers decided that Howard Dean must be stopped. And before Dean could realize what was happening, he had become the simultaneous target of the RNC, the DNC, Roger Stone?s Al Sharpton, John Kerry, and the entire media establishment. He was history. To the rulers, stopping Howard Dean was the real victory of 2004.

The script called for John Kerry to start out as an apparent loser, who miraculously became the overwhelming choice to be the Democratic candidate only to morph back to being the loser we all felt that he was initially. John Kerry was billed as a closer and that?s what he ending up to doing to our dream.

We can?t really be blamed for wishful thinking; but it?s just a terribly ineffective way of building a movement. After what happened in 2000 and now what is transpiring again in 2004, it is being made crystal clear that electoral politics is dead and that we have to find another way.

Going to the polls has been reduced to a meaningless ritual; we must mobilize a means of ?voting? outside the electoral process."

The rest of the article here: Where Do We Go From Here?
 

Votingisanillusion

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Slashdot has this:
Politics: 2004 Election Weirdness Continues
United States
Posted by CmdrTaco on Monday November 08, @02:59PM
from the stuff-to-think-about dept.
I've read dozens of submissions about election anomolies in the last week and they show no sign of slowing so I've decided to post a few of the main ones here to let you all discuss them. The first is the Common Dreams report that shows that optically scanned votes have a strange anomaly in florida: the Touchscreen counties roughly matched up to party registration numbers, but optically scanned paper ballot counties showed strangeness like one county where 69.3% registered democrat, but only 28% of them voted for Kerry. Palm Beach County, Florida logged 88,000 more votes than there were voters; that machines in LaPorte, Michigan discounted 50,000 voters; in Columbus, Ohio voting machines gave Bush an extra 4,000 votes; in Broward County, Florida voting machines were counting backwards; Lastly, precincts in New Mexico gave provisional ballots that will never be counted to as many as 10% of all their voters.

( Read More... | 513 of 697 comments | politics.slashdot.org )
 

Votingisanillusion

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Posted on Slashdot:
Re:Saw this earlier (Score:5, Informative)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 08, @03:28PM (#10758404)
The best way to flag fraud is to note when the exit polls are substantially out of line with actual returns, and particularly if they are out of line in a systematic (and unpredicted) way.

You mean like these?

Wisconsin
Bush had 4% over the exit polls
Probability: 1 out of 223 elections

Pennnsylvannia
Bush had 5% over the exit polls
Probability: 1 out of 1838 elections

Ohio
Bush had 4% over the exit polls
Probability: 1 out of 223 elections

Florida
Bush had 7% over the exit polls
Probability: 1 out of 500,000 elections

Minnesota
Bush had 7% over the exit polls
Probability: 1 out of 500,000 elections

New Hampshire
Bush had 15% over the exit polls
Probability: 1 out of 10^22 elections

North Carolina
Bush had 9% over the exit polls
Probability: 1 out of 500,000,000 elections

Reference: scoop.co.nz, probabilities calculated with SD=1.53 for 95% certainty level at +-3%.

This is more than cause for alarm, it's a wake-up call that the voice of the people was overwritten by fraud in this election. Contact your local media, contact your congressmen, tell your friends and family, and force people to pay attention to this.
 

Votingisanillusion

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An impressively thorough statistical analysis: An Examination of the Florida Elections

New: Florida is reporting more votes in the presidential election than it is reporting citizens that turned out to vote. Adding all the presidential race votes reported by the Florida Department of State here yields a total of 7,588,422 votes. The Florida Department of State reports here that voter turnout totalled only 7,350,900. That's a difference of 237,522. 3.1% of Florida's presidential votes were in excess of the number of voters in the election. 380,952 votes separate the President and John Kerry in Florida.

If we disregard the votes cast on the Model 100s and the Optech 3P Eagles, the difference between Bush and Kerry drops to 124,514. The votes cast on the Model 100s and the Optech 3P Eagles in conjunction with votes that cannot be tied to voters may have elected George W. Bush.

The 13 counties that report more votes than voters delivered 39.4% of the votes cast in Florida. These are the 13 counties:
County Total Votes Cast % Total Voters Turnout Turnout-Total Votes Cast
Palm Beach 542835 7.15% 452,061 -90,774
Hernando 75832 1.00% 0 -75,832
Miami-Dade 768553 10.13% 716,574 -51,979
Volusia 228358 3.01% 209,052 -19,306
Osceola 82178 1.08% 63,589 -18,589
Highlands 41491 0.55% 33,996 -7,495
Orange 387752 5.11% 386,104 -1,648
Collier 128352 1.69% 127,409 -943
Glades 4188 0.06% 3,446 -742
Duval 379614 5.00% 379,257 -357
Okaloosa 89707 1.18% 89,485 -222
Lake 123938 1.63% 123,751 -187
Leon 136314 1.80% 136,229 -85
Totals 2989112 39.39% 2,720,953 -268,159

I was racking my brain trying to figure out why the total in this instance was -268,159, and realized that that number will be changed by all the voters who turned out and did not cast a vote for President.

Zero voters reportedly turned out in Hernando county, and that can't be right. Even if Hernando is not suspicious, around 200,000 votes in Florida are suspect.

An Examination of the Florida Elections
 

Votingisanillusion

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http://pages.ivillage.com/americans4america/id20.html

Each precinct in Cuyahoga County, Ohio
Highlighted areas represent 90% (very VERY unlikely) and higher (up to 1160.78%) voter TURN-OUT! 30 are above 100%
Calculated from data on county page - http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/B...ts/currentresults1.htm

(Ballots Cast/Registered Voters) * 100 = % turn out.
Ballots Cast SHOULD NEVER be more than Registered, thus % should NEVER be higher than 100%

This amounts to 97,489 EXTRA votes beyond 100% in those precincts! This is just for ONE county!

No further evidence needed - a recount MUST be done - and possibly another national election using ONLY paper ballots, hand counts, and observers making sure all counts are valid. I don't trust these computers AT ALL! We should have the UN observe!