Possibly the most important science breakthrough happened today (not really)

[Born2bwire]

Wow, just wow, whatever, just enjoy the links. I will keep posting what I find and there is nothing you can do about it. I don't think that there is anything else you could add to the discussion. Please move on, find someone else to troll.

Edit: There is this Greek company called Defkalion. They claim that they used to work with Rossi but since then they have discovered his secret and came up with their own version of the device:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3353181.ece

We'll just keep thinking that you're an idiot for doing so and there's nothing you can do about that either.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

t'would be nice, but I don't have much hope for the work coming out of Bologna, sad to say.

What about Mortadella? If we could convince them to add pieces of pistachio maybe?

 

[adlep]

We'll just keep thinking that you're an idiot for doing so and there's nothing you can do about that either.

Of course not - I don't care either. You can call me whatever you want.

There is a 2nd company that claims the LENR out of the fusion of Nickel an Hydrogen. So it is not just Rossi anymore

"
Spec Sheet: About The Reaction

"Defkalion's scientific R&D team have successfully managed to trigger and monitor Chemically Assisted Low Energy Nuclear Reactions caused by Nickel and Hydrogen nuclei. Following extensive experimentation on the preparation, cleaning and degassing of Nickel clusters and atomic Hydrogen systems, valuable knowledge has been gained. The data was obtained from conventional, non-specifically designed for LENR instrumentation, such as mass-spectrometer, gas-chromatographer, Wilson camera, SEM spectra and others".

"Such measurements of phenomena gave us strong evidence on the activation mechanisma of Nickel that allow the nuclear capture of Hydrogen (the "breaking" of the Coulomb barrier), as well as the thermalization mechanism in a dynamic system of multi-stage set of reactions. Due to the elapsed time between the phenomena and their measurements using the above mentioned instrumentation, an incomplete proof of theories still exists, However, the obtained data provide us with a solid basis to control the triggering and termination conditions of the Ni-H reactions within Hyperion reactors, as well as the necessary conditions for stable performance."

"As a result , the above mentioned efforts led to the design of safe and stable Hyperion pre-industrial product, following the specifications described in this document."

http://www.defkalion-energy.com/fil...v2011_Praxen_Defkalion_Green_Technologies.pdf

http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/HyperionSpecsSheetNovember2011.pdf

 

[adlep]

From NASA's page (scroll to the bottom)...

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm

ON topic presentation given by Mr. Dennis Bushnell of NASA - a lowlife scammer who pretends to be a chef scientist at NASA Langley Research Center

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_M._Bushnell
http://lifeboat.com/ex/bios.dennis.m.bushnell

"Tests conducted at NASA Glenn Research Center in 1989 and elsewhere consistently showed evidence of anomalous heat during gaseous loading and unloading deuterium into bulk palladium. At one time called “cold fusion,” now called “low-energy nuclear reactions” (LENR), such effects are now published in peer-reviewed journals and are gaining attention and mainstream respectability. The instrumentation expertise of NASA GRC is applied to improve the diagnostics for investigating the anomalous heat in LENR.

Relevant Presentation:
+ Download presentation given at a LENR Workshop at NASA GRC in 2011 [available soon].

The presentation is still not ready (edited?..lol)
But apparently it will contain the following points:

-Over 2 decades with over 100 experiments worldwide indicate LENR is real, much greater than Chemical, Transmutations, Minimal radiation
-The many Rossi demonstrations in 2011 suggest LENR may produce”useful” quantities of heat [up to 15KWs ?]. Watts-to-Kilowatts also produced in Piantelli and Patterson Experiments
- Between Chemical and strong force Nuc Energy Densities with minimal radiation safety/ protection requirements/ issues, probably “inexpensive”
- Direct and potentially massively/ truly “game-changing”
- The Rossi device, possibly producing useful energy but wholly “Edisonian”, not “scalable” and not “Optimized”
- Huge number of “knobs”/ approaches appear to”work”, issue is how good can it be? Requires experiments guided by theory and major “creative” efforts/ inputs along with CAREFUL Experiments, YEARS of effort required. Rossi is just the merest beginnings of the research/ engineering optimization required.
- Superb light weight power/ energy sources for space probes/ instruments and hoppers/ rovers, far less expensive than solar and better than radiologics for beyond Mars where solar does not “work”
- Reduced LEO (Low Earth Orbit) and in space propulsion weights/ costs
- Solves EDL (Entry, Descent, and Landing) for large payloads to Mars via ingestion, heating and retro injection of atmospheric CO2
- Potentially obviates order of 80% of the 1000 metric ton LEO (Low Earth Orbit) up-mass for Humans Mars which is in-space fuel, Propulsive mass from far outer region atmosphere or regolith
- Source for energy beaming, energy to terraform Mars, Enables Active Space Radiation Protection
- Overall, enables what we have never had – “Energy Rich” design space
- Fuel fraction becomes negligible, huge impacts upon vehicle gross weights, especially for SST’s which are some 55% fuel fraction
- For the military– EMP on steroids, VTOL obviates air bases/ runways/ carrier decks, enables loitering combined sensor/ weapon devices [ instead of getting there in time ARE THERE, always]

...Hugs and kisses to all of you...

 

[wirednuts]

so basically, we might not have "cold fusion" as we traditionally think of it, but this is close enough to have the same impact on our world?

 

[TecHNooB]

adlep, what's your scientific background? or has that been mentioned already.

 

[adlep]

adlep, what's your scientific background? or has that been mentioned already.

I have a basic B.S. degree in Computer Science and 2 semesters of calc based physics that I "B-" ed.

However, I am just posting these links for your information - the entire topic and recent events are interesting to me.

If you want to discuss the LENR subject from scientific point of view, I believe that there is a separate topic created in the "Highly Technical" section.

P.S.
NASA is becoming increasingly interested in this subject.
Here are couple of slides from recent presentations at NASA:

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NASA/20110922NASA-Bushnell-GRC-LENR-Workshop.pdf

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NASA/20110922NASA-Nelson-GRC-LENR-Workshop.pdf

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NASA/20110922NASA-Zawodny-GRC-LENR-Workshop.pdf

Out of these 2 lasts ones are especially interesting. Enjoy. If the LENR and Rossi are good enough subjects to justify a lecture at NASA, they are IMO worth reporting.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

God you're stupid adlep. I'd tell you to look up gullible in the dictionary, but it's not in one. When did they start taking words out of the dictionary?

 

[skyking]

"Such measurements of phenomena gave us strong evidence on the activation mechanisma of Nickel that allow the nuclear capture of Hydrogen (the "breaking" of the Coulomb barrier), as well as the thermalization mechanism in a dynamic system of multi-stage set of reactions. Due to the elapsed time between the phenomena and their measurements using the above mentioned instrumentation, an incomplete proof of theories still exists, However, the obtained data provide us with a solid basis to control the triggering and termination conditions of the Ni-H reactions within Hyperion reactors, as well as the necessary conditions for stable performance."

I read that, and I can hear this guy delivering the lecture now......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDgQg6bq7o&feature=related

 

[SMOGZINN]

Would you honestly pay for something "at the same amount of money" that you know they are getting the power for essentially free?

You mean like text messages on cell phones?

itll happen eventually, it has too. i think its a tragedy that we are so needy for energy... so many people die or have ruined lives because energy is so costly.

it either has to be a cheap easy way to harness it, or a cheap easy way to store it (and battery technology moves at a carbon dating pace!)

Logic failure. Just because we really want something does not mean that something is possible.
It is quite possible that we are near the peak of energy production and storage technology, and that eventually we will have to cut back on our expenditure or run out.

Personally I think that we are going to run out of cheap and plentiful energy with disastrous consequences to our society. I think it is entirely possible that our grandchildren (or perhaps their grandchildren) will poke our shiny energy consuming toys with their pointy sticks and throw poo at it if it beeps.

 

[adlep]

God you're stupid adlep. I'd tell you to look up gullible in the dictionary, but it's not in one. When did they start taking words out of the dictionary?

Oh, another one...
I'll quote that just in case
Why all of you have a need to take it on me? Write NASA. They are the ones creating slides about LERN and taking it seriously and such.

 

[adlep]

In a sign of an utter madness, Mr Rossi claims to negotiate distribution of his ECat with the Home Depot chain. It will apparently cost 1.5k to purchase.
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1784

http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/01/r...erview-with-james-martinez-on-cah-flow-radio/

Edit: A cold fusion breakthrough would elevate humans to a type 1 civilization. More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale

 

[bignateyk]

In a sign of an utter madness, Mr Rossi claims to negotiate distribution of his ECat with the Home Depot chain. It will apparently cost 1.5k to purchase.
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1784

http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/01/r...erview-with-james-martinez-on-cah-flow-radio/

So now they're no longer calling it a free energy device? I guess they are going to market it like the EdenPure heater.

 

[adlep]

So now they're no longer calling it a free energy device? I guess they are going to market it like the EdenPure heater.

It was never a free energy device. It takes massive energy and work to create Nickel, Copper and other elements. Stars create elements when burning their supply of Hydrogen and Helium and release them out to the Universe when they explode.
I guess you could look at every element as a battery. The more complex/heavier the element the more energy and work was required to make it.
So the quest for us is to unlock how to tap into these "batteries"...Hence the "fusion"...
But the energy is definitely not "free"...

 

[TecHNooB]

It was never a free energy device. It takes massive energy and work to create Nickel, Copper and other elements. Stars create elements when burning their supply of Hydrogen and Helium and release them out to the Universe when they explode.
I guess you could look at every element as a battery. The more complex/heavier the element the more energy and work was required to make it.
So the quest for us is to unlock how to tap into these "batteries"...Hence the "fusion"...
But the energy is definitely not "free"...

so what does the ecat do again?

 

[zinfamous]

It was never a free energy device. It takes massive energy and work to create Nickel, Copper and other elements. Stars create elements when burning their supply of Hydrogen and Helium and release them out to the Universe when they explode.
I guess you could look at every element as a battery. The more complex/heavier the element the more energy and work was required to make it.
So the quest for us is to unlock how to tap into these "batteries"...Hence the "fusion"...
But the energy is definitely not "free"...

ORYLY?




caps

 

[skyking]

ORYLY?




caps

It was energy at a DEEEP discount,




plus shipping and handling.

 

[StrangerGuy]

I not worthy of a "free energy" device.

Just a "2nd law breaking" device is good enough for me.

 

[zinfamous]

 

[zinfamous]

Whats the problem? I'll continue to post a link or two that I'll find to AT peer review and that's it. There is no reason to take it personally. Just enjoy the ride, no?

yeah, see: this is not peer review.

Your two courses in college physics representing your "science experience" bleeds through on this one.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

It was never a free energy device. It takes massive energy and work to create Nickel, Copper and other elements. Stars create elements when burning their supply of Hydrogen and Helium and release them out to the Universe when they explode.
I guess you could look at every element as a battery. The more complex/heavier the element the more energy and work was required to make it.
So the quest for us is to unlock how to tap into these "batteries"...Hence the "fusion"...
But the energy is definitely not "free"...

So much energy, in fact, that for nickel and copper the energy required is greater than the energy given out.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nucene/nucbin.html

 

[anyusername]

Lol, seriously? Cold fusion? Again?

 

[adlep]

Here is the .mp3 interview with Rossi:

http://www.coldfusionnow.org/audio/2011-12-29-Andrea-Rossi.mp3
He speaks with a heavy Italian accent, just like one of my CS professors at the University.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

"In recreating the process of fusion it was always understood that we could pursue three areas of interest and value," explained Dr Erik Storm of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL), the home of the National Ignition Facility (NIF).

First and foremost, NIF has been built for national security purposes, to study the conditions that exist in nuclear explosions and the way that nuclear weapons perform.

"That gives you an ability to maintain a credible nuclear deterrent in the absence of underground nuclear testing," said Dr Storm.

Marvel have bought the rights to his accident already...

 

[adlep]

Apparently the National Instruments company has been duped into working with Rossi too:

Here is their press release:
http://digital.ni.com/worldwide/bwcontent.nsf/web/all/2C6B449A3F0F8F3A862579480060A07F

...
Innovators throughout the world are using the NI graphical system design approach to efficiently address the world’s grand engineering challenges in medical technology, urban infrastructure, alternative energy and other critical applications. In physics specifically, NI has contributed product solutions to some of the most advanced projects including the CERN Large Hadron Collider (LHC) and tokamak fusion device control systems. Additionally, the Leonardo Corporation has intentions to incorporate NI tools in its control system.
...

Edit: Leonardo Corporation is Rossi. So now, Rossi and CERN are connected whether you want it or not, with NI being a common denominator. So good to know that I am not the only gullible person out there. Apparently corporations full of physicists and engineers are tricked into working with Rossi as well. Dang it.