Possibly the most important science breakthrough happened today (not really)

[skyking]

I don't have that luxury of related videos. (well in this dimensional namespace)

In any case this is quite hilarious.

Why do I waste money on pumps when I can just put a hose in the bottom of a tub and have it empty back in the top?! :biggrin:

You don't need to see the vid, the title I quoted seemed descriptive enough.

 

[disappoint]

Possibly the most important science breakthrough happened today

What that some folks can be duped into believing BS? I'd hardly call that news.

 

[disappoint]

hehehehehehehe!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Fv53K9MnDuM#t=62s

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

What a great perpetual motion machine! Our power problems are over! Everyone out into the streets drunken and disorderly celebrating err protesting big oil immediately!

But why doth thou remove such loads poste haste my good man?!

 

[Bignate603]

hehehehehehehe!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Fv53K9MnDuM#t=62s

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

People actually fall for this stuff?

 

[Rubycon]

People actually fall for this stuff?

Apparently they do! You should check out things that audiophiles pay crazy money for and swear by them! :biggrin:

Search for "coconut audio" once.

 

[skyking]

Apparently they do! You should check out things that audiophiles pay crazy money for and swear by them! :biggrin:

Search for "coconut audio" once.

I got lost like a trip to wikipedia, just laughing at the folks gullible enough to subscribe that his channel.

 

[adlep]

Now on CBS Tech News:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57318762/cold-fusion-debate-heats-up-after-latest-demo/

DailyMail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...Andrea-Rossi-claims-achieved-cold-fusion.html

Edit: Apparently I am not the only one reporting the "news".
I suggest some of you to start shaking your fists in anger at these news organizations.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Now on CBS Tech News:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57318762/cold-fusion-debate-heats-up-after-latest-demo/

DailyMail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...Andrea-Rossi-claims-achieved-cold-fusion.html

Edit: Apparently I am not the only one reporting the "news".
I suggest some of you to start shaking your fists in anger at these news organizations.

Some of those comments are hilarious. :awe:

 

[darkswordsman17]

Apparently they do! You should check out things that audiophiles pay crazy money for and swear by them! :biggrin:

Search for "coconut audio" once.

Head-Fi's gotten really bad about that again. There was a big thing about some guy exposing a couple of sponsors for poor products. One of them was a headphone amp that was discharging electricity when shutoff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCZ-AJQOiDg&feature=player_embedded

Now on CBS Tech News:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57318762/cold-fusion-debate-heats-up-after-latest-demo/

DailyMail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...Andrea-Rossi-claims-achieved-cold-fusion.html

Edit: Apparently I am not the only one reporting the "news".
I suggest some of you to start shaking your fists in anger at these news organizations.

:biggrin:

He's finally starting to learn....how to troll.

I love people like you. You don't understand anything. You think people are mad about you posting junk. In reality, we're just making fun of you for your clear lack of understanding and then you arguing with people about it. Of course you've changed your tune now and just reporting it. :biggrin:

 

[StrangerGuy]

Head-Fi's gotten really bad about that again. There was a big thing about some guy exposing a couple of sponsors for poor products. One of them was a headphone amp that was discharging electricity when shutoff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCZ-AJQOiDg&feature=player_embedded



:biggrin:

He's finally starting to learn....how to troll.

I love people like you. You don't understand anything. You think people are mad about you posting junk. In reality, we're just making fun of you for your clear lack of understanding and then you arguing with people about it. Of course you've changed your tune now and just reporting it. :biggrin:

The stupid won't have the capacity to realize that they are stupid.

 

[adlep]

Head-Fi's gotten really bad about that again. There was a big thing about some guy exposing a couple of sponsors for poor products. One of them was a headphone amp that was discharging electricity when shutoff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCZ-AJQOiDg&feature=player_embedded



:biggrin:

He's finally starting to learn....how to troll.

I love people like you. You don't understand anything. You think people are mad about you posting junk. In reality, we're just making fun of you for your clear lack of understanding and then you arguing with people about it. Of course you've changed your tune now and just reporting it. :biggrin:

So far the only person who keeps provoking, thread crapping, and arguing is you. Why do you care so much again?
Edit: MSNBC article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45153076/ns/technology_and_science-science/#.TrVN8LJc8Zk
"Despite a world of skepticism about E-Cat and other devices, proof is adding up"

Me thinks that you should definitely write the author of the article and offer her your words of wisdom and advice about this subject and life in general...

 

[adlep]

Now on Bloomberg news:
http://youtu.be/AfQIHNSiu24

Edit:
Prof. Focardi is giving a TED talk on the same subject. He is a scientific adviser and partner of Mr. Rossi:
http://youtu.be/eGmgTo2Kw1U

 

[irishScott]

Now on Bloomberg news:
http://youtu.be/AfQIHNSiu24

Edit:
Prof. Focardi is giving a TED talk on the same subject. He is a scientific adviser and partner of Mr. Rossi:
http://youtu.be/eGmgTo2Kw1U

Awww, well that just makes it all better doesn't it? Let me know when a cold fusion power generator is powering something people use outside of a lab or demo, and I'll believe it. Until then it's a bunch of weakly substantiated claims.

 

[DrPizza]

It's not a real Ted talk. It's an "independent" Ted talk, hence the x.

Hoax, hoax, hoax, hoax. I'll try to drop it to a level everyone understands again. Remember learning about alchemy? "Scientists" of long ago were charged with their Kings to figure out how to make gold out of non-gold. Do you understand enough about chemistry to understand that you cannot mix sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), sodium chloride (table salt), H2O (water), alcohol, lead, etc., and get gold? We don't know all of the atom's secrets, but we know enough to say with certainty that such chemical reactions don't happen. Right?

Essentially, Rossi is saying that they do exist. Most people understand enough about chemistry to know otherwise, but don't know enough about nuclear physics to know that this has long been ruled out as being a part of our reality.

 

[zinfamous]

here's the problem, adlep: if Rossi wanted to be taken seriously, he would have taken this to the normal route: peer review and journal publication, rather than holding a press conference for the media and the world-wide laymen (you) ahead of independent investigation.

It seems that he continues to reject independent investigation into his work. All of these habits are extremely suspicious and are very, very typical of fraudulent claims, or of a project that has failed--and he knows it--so he's getting the word out to the general public to generate interest, and hopefully some cash to recover loss.

If this does work and Rossi is serious about it--then he is absolutely doing himself no favors with the route he has taken.

It's weird that you only seem to focus on "scientific news" that reaches only the mainstream media, completely skipping the process of peer review. Such cases are almost always fraud, or simple Fud.

 

[Born2bwire]

here's the problem, adlep: if Rossi wanted to be taken seriously, he would have taken this to the normal route: peer review and journal publication, rather than holding a press conference for the media and the world-wide laymen (you) ahead of independent investigation.

It seems that he continues to reject independent investigation into his work. All of these habits are extremely suspicious and are very, very typical of fraudulent claims, or of a project that has failed--and he knows it--so he's getting the word out to the general public to generate interest, and hopefully some cash to recover loss.

If this does work and Rossi is serious about it--then he is absolutely doing himself no favors with the route he has taken.

It's weird that you only seem to focus on "scientific news" that reaches only the mainstream media, completely skipping the process of peer review. Such cases are almost always fraud, or simple Fud.

No no, Rossi is published. He created his own internet blog to publish with. :awe:

 

[Ichinisan]

It's not a real Ted talk. It's an "independent" Ted talk, hence the x.

Hoax, hoax, hoax, hoax. I'll try to drop it to a level everyone understands again. Remember learning about alchemy? "Scientists" of long ago were charged with their Kings to figure out how to make gold out of non-gold. Do you understand enough about chemistry to understand that you cannot mix sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), sodium chloride (table salt), H2O (water), alcohol, lead, etc., and get gold? We don't know all of the atom's secrets, but we know enough to say with certainty that such chemical reactions don't happen. Right?

Essentially, Rossi is saying that they do exist. Most people understand enough about chemistry to know otherwise, but don't know enough about nuclear physics to know that this has long been ruled out as being a part of our reality.

This you?

Can alchemists mix random chemicals together and end up with gold? No. We know enough about science to say with certainty that it doesn't happen. This effectively is Rossi saying that it can happen. Scam scam scam scam. Barnum was right; a sucker IS born ever second.

1 hour ago

 

[DrPizza]

Oooops! My wife had logged me off and was logged in herself.

 

[adlep]

It's not a real Ted talk. It's an "independent" Ted talk, hence the x.

Hoax, hoax, hoax, hoax. I'll try to drop it to a level everyone understands again. Remember learning about alchemy? "Scientists" of long ago were charged with their Kings to figure out how to make gold out of non-gold. Do you understand enough about chemistry to understand that you cannot mix sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), sodium chloride (table salt), H2O (water), alcohol, lead, etc., and get gold? We don't know all of the atom's secrets, but we know enough to say with certainty that such chemical reactions don't happen. Right?

Essentially, Rossi is saying that they do exist. Most people understand enough about chemistry to know otherwise, but don't know enough about nuclear physics to know that this has long been ruled out as being a part of our reality.

You are taking here about the chemical reactions. But what about the possibility of the changes on the nuclear level. No one claims that the energy comes from chemical processes. What he claims is something totally new.

Edit: Chemistry or Physics?

 

[Rubycon]

One can make gold from iron and sulphur. Only a fool would believe it's real gold, however. This is how you tell if a nugget is real or not. Play a bunsen flame over it and if it smells like a fart then it's fool's gold. :biggrin:

 

[PowerEngineer]

You are taking here about the chemical reactions. But what about the possibility of the changes on the nuclear level. No one claims that the energy comes from chemical processes. What he claims is something totally new.

Actually, he's talking about alchemy and so are you.

Chemical reactions are essentially reactions amongst electrons surrounding the nuclei, and as there is no change in the composition of the nuclei there by definition no change in the nature of the atoms involved. On the other hand, alchemy is supposed to involve changes to the makeup of the nuclei that transforms atoms from one element to another (e.g. iron into gold). So when you (and Rossi) speculate about some process that involves "changes at the nuclear level", you are talking about alchemy.

As to Rossi's claims, I'd be really happy if he was right. I'm afraid, however, that the odds are against him. Assuming that he isn't intentionally defrauding people, it's very likely that he's made some fundamental mistakes in his test setups and/or in his calculations of input and output energies (much like the discoverers of the faster-than-light neutrinos). Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and so far what he offers is far, far from extraordinary!

 

[Screech]

from the link on the first page:

Power for start-up (resistive coils that provided heat to the reaction chambers) was provided by the large and loud genset (was making all the noise) you see that is nearly as large as the small shipping container in which the 1 MW E-Cat plant was arranged. Once the reaction chambers got up to temperature, they were maintained by the heat produced by the reaction. I'm not sure why they kept the generator running after that, but I would guess it was for back-up or safety.

yeah.....

 

[darkswordsman17]

here's the problem, adlep: if Rossi wanted to be taken seriously, he would have taken this to the normal route: peer review and journal publication, rather than holding a press conference for the media and the world-wide laymen (you) ahead of independent investigation.

It seems that he continues to reject independent investigation into his work. All of these habits are extremely suspicious and are very, very typical of fraudulent claims, or of a project that has failed--and he knows it--so he's getting the word out to the general public to generate interest, and hopefully some cash to recover loss.

If this does work and Rossi is serious about it--then he is absolutely doing himself no favors with the route he has taken.

It's weird that you only seem to focus on "scientific news" that reaches only the mainstream media, completely skipping the process of peer review. Such cases are almost always fraud, or simple Fud.

There's a lot more problems than those.

The big "public" demonstration that's got the OP so worked up was anything but public and I can all but guarantee the guy has not shown off what is actually happening to anyone that knows jack shit. Its not difficult to trick people, especially if you cherry pick who you do it to.

As already pointed out, they had a generator that they claim started the eCat system, which didn't work like claimed (output half of what it was supposed to, and happened to output just a bit below what the generator they had hooked up to it was likely producing).

Plus, he's claiming something totally new (which he's actually not, others have claimed the same stuff he is, just not exactly the same; none of those others were able to reproduce their claims let alone make them even function at a level that would make them be considered feasible) so that he can cover up not being able to actually show what is happening. There's just enough possible physics (vibrational energy from electrons in the lattice of the atoms electron cloud) involved that they can trick a lot of people while having an excuse for people who actually know much.

It wouldn't be difficult for him to have some other power generating methods that he could just cover up with a box. Then put a button that shows "self-sustain mode activated" and hey look here's the electrical readout. Its basically what Bloom Box did. He's banking on his customers not knowing jack shit and so he can sell a device that creates electricity to them and they won't know the difference and be generally happy. Very likely he'll require a ridiculous contract where no one is allowed to access it but him, but he'll probably throw in free "maintenance" which is him showing up every month to refill it with whatever fuel it needs (which he'll pass off as he has to keep checking up on it to gather data or something).

Watch, when he actually starts producing them, they'll cost a lot of money. They'll also take decades before their claimed energy generation will cover their cost (so that customers can't say that they didn't live up to the claims until much later). This way, he can make millions and sell the company before it collapses and he'll be set for life while his customers and company are screwed.

For allegedly being such a cheap energy source, it'll doubtlessly cost more than the usual sources of electricity do, but he'll make claims about it being greener or other BS so that he can "justify" the costs. Or they'll pass off how infrastructure for fossil fuels has made them far cheaper than they actually are and a bunch of other excuses.

In the end, it won't do anything of the things that "cold fusion" is supposed to do (ridiculously cheap, as in alone the costs would completely change the world; very clean; very efficient - doesn't need much material so we don't risk running out of whatever fuels the reaction; other aspects I'm forgetting). In short, this might actually work in some respect, but it won't be what people are thinking it is, and certainly will not live up to the hype of cold fusion.

In short, Rossi is pointing to enough actual science to make people wonder, but everything else he's doing just yells scam. Its not any different from the others, he's just doing a better job of obfuscating things so that you can't just easily dismiss him outright. He's clearly not in it for the science or to do what the OP seems to believe this will do (realize the potential of cold fusion), and that alone baffles me why the OP and others like him are so willing to believe.

 

[adlep]

In short, this might actually work in some respect, but it won't be what people are thinking it is, and certainly will not live up to the hype of cold fusion.

Wait, what did you just write here? So, you were challenging my motives and level of scientific knowledge all this time just to come up with an essay that ends with "In short, this might actually work in some respect" ?
Boy, you are actually turning into a believer!
Mr. Rossi, is that you trolling us?

Again, I understand the explanations of the problems with the setup. But this is still interesting too me and I'll continue to follow up on it. Edit: I am not worked up over anything, quit saying that, at this point it is just...funny.

 

[zinfamous]

sigh....