Possibly the most important science breakthrough happened today (not really)

[flexy]

I am following and commenting on the e-cat for a few days already, although not here on AT.

I am very skeptical for many reasons.

For once, i dont understand why Rossi spent time and money to build this 1MW reactor (in that container) - instead of simply using ONE of the devices and proof once and for all that the device works.

At this point, all we have is claims and so called "tests" which leave a lot open...the websites like wired, forbes and all the other sites are only repeating what they heard or what that single main CLAIMS.

Where is that rather simple test setup showing ONE "ecat-device" powering whatever appliance for, say, a few days...as is being claimed be Rossi?

I don't believe any of those claims until independent scientists can look at this and verify the data...

 

[sourceninja]

I just can't buy into this until I have one sitting on my desk powering my computer.

 

[Jeff7]

I'm pretty sure if a pipe develops a leak and you get a thousand dollar water bill you have to pay for it.

The power company assures you have 50 or 60Hz power. Let the ISP also guarantee that your data is clean. Rogue programs should always be zapped long before they reach 192.168.1.x.

True; and it's quite the same for stuff that has horrendously-low electrical efficiencies. You'll get charged whether or not the device is using power or not - though I don't think that the electric company will start charging me 5-10x more per kWh if I exceed some arbitrary power limit per month.
(And if I'm reading the rate chart right, my water rates will go down as usage increases. )

Though I guess the power companies have limits like my old ISP from years ago had: They didn't publish any monthly limits anywhere on their site or Terms of Use, but you would get letters for "excessive" use, which also didn't define what the limit was.
So if I'd tack on a few extra 400A breakers and start using them constantly, I guess that would get the power company's attention. But that'd be a fair bit more subversive than accidentally leaving Bittorrent running.



</whining about the end of all-you-can-eat Internet>

 

[Rubycon]

So if I'd tack on a few extra 400A breakers and start using them constantly, I guess that would get the power company's attention. But that'd be a fair bit more subversive than accidentally leaving Bittorrent running.

You'd have a pretty big peckerhead to have 1000MCM feeds to add one let alone two 400A BCs to your SE.

 

[adlep]

You'd have a pretty big peckerhead to have 1000MCM feeds to add one let alone two 400A BCs to your SE.

Pardon my ignorance, but I don't get the lingo

 

[Jeff7]

You'd have a pretty big peckerhead to have 1000MCM feeds to add one let alone two 400A BCs to your SE.

I'm...afraid I've got to request some definitions:
- 1000 MCM (Some manner of very large connector?)
- 400A BC
- SE
:$

And maybe "peckerhead" as well. Urbandictionary provides a variety of definitions, though I'm thinking that the "wire box for an electric motor" works best in the given context. Employing some of the other definitions would likely result in a visit to my friendly neighborhood mortician. And possibly an entertaining Darwin Awards entry.

 

[davmat787]

Pardon my ignorance, but I don't get the lingo

All you need to understand is that he has a grow op, and would love to have more power to expand said grow op. :awe:

 

[Rubycon]

MCM is conductor cross sectional area in thousand circular mils. (all wire gauge larger than four ought (4/0) is in MCM or kcmil.)
BC = branch circuit
SE = service entrance

Peckerhead is what electricians call the thing on top of the conduit that runs the feeders (secondaries) from the overhead runs. It resembles a showerhead with four large holes. :biggrin:

I didn't make up these terms. Look at plumbers. They call a piece of pipe threaded on both ends a nipple. :twisted:

 

[darkswordsman17]

There are some industries that by their very nature tend toward being monopolies. Gas and electricity providers are among these because their distribution networks are expensive to build and would be wasteful and disruptive to duplicate (who wants multiple sets of overhead wires crisscrossing neighborhoods?). So a government ends up awarding a franchise to a single utility to serve all customers in a particular area, but maintains control over the rates that the utility can charge (i.e. operating costs plus a reasonable rate of return on investments). Or the government decides to provide the service itself (e.g. most water utilities and many electric utility districts).

In this light, your question becomes whether or not access to the internet tends toward being a natural monopoly. I'm thinking that an argument could be made that the cable/fiber networks connecting individual residences are enough like the neighborhood power/gas lines that they could be a regulated part of the larger telecommunications business. I'm less certain that the service providers (e.g. telephone, internet, video) who deliver over that cable/fiber network need the same sort of regulation -- provided that all service providers have fair access to deliver products over that network. (I know there are technological challenges, but I have never understood why cable companies are allowed to block others from delivering content over a cable network installed on public right-of-ways.)

My two cents...

Its actually pretty similar to utilities. In many areas telecomms are actually given monopoly power in exchange for handling the infrastructure. That's how phone and cable got started, those companies would work a deal with the city to come in and put in the physical cables and in exchange they'd get sole control.

Wireless is going to throw a huge wrench into things though for obvious reasons, and its why Google was able to scare the telecomms so much when they put in a bid on the opened up wireless spectrum from the digital switchover.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Pardon my ignorance, but I don't get the lingo

Seems to be a recurring issue for you on topics like these, and why people try to explain why your "optimism" is so horribly misplaced.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Please note that deciding to capitalize a couple of random words, such as "Energy Corporations", doesn't automatically conjore into existence some sort of evil Spector-like world dominating organization to fit into your odd world view.

In fact, the electrical utilities (both investor-owned and government-owned) are very tightly regulated and the rates they charge their customers are set for them based on their costs of production/delivery. The notion that utilities might somehow conspire to suppress low-cost production break-throughs is laughable, as is the suggestion that utilities might make huge windfall profits by deploying lower-cost generation.

You should look someplace other than regulated industries for your greedy, technology suppressing villans.

Maybe Apple?

Funny thing if there was some way to generate easy energy electrical utilities will be the first guys to be all over the whole thing.

 

[KaOTiK]

I came in here expected life like pleasure bots or holodeck. I am disappointed

 

[adlep]

Seems to be a recurring issue for you on topics like these, and why people try to explain why your "optimism" is so horribly misplaced.

I don't have an opinion on the issue, I am just pointing it out. But yes, I always welcome the discussion that follows. Who cares anyway? I am sure as heck that Anand loves the forums clicks because he makes money off the impressions...

 

[Jeff7]

All you need to understand is that he has a grow op, and would love to have more power to expand said grow op. :awe:

Yeah, let's go with that.


If using the right LEDs (with emission peaks toward the red and blue ends of the spectrum), and high-efficiency power supplies, I wonder how many plants you could reasonably grow per watt?
LEDs are reasonably good at producing light centered around a single frequency (well, not great, but better than a lot of other tech that's out there), and you can get some damn efficient power supplies - if you're willing to pay for them. Sometime I'd love to just see one of these super-bright LED arrays. 3800 lumens out of an emitter area of 0.062in&#178;.

MCM is conductor cross sectional area in thousand circular mils. (all wire gauge larger than four ought (4/0) is in MCM or kcmil.)
BC = branch circuit
SE = service entrance

Circular mils, right. I used that once, briefly, in one class. :\

Peckerhead is what electricians call the thing on top of the conduit that runs the feeders (secondaries) from the overhead runs. It resembles a showerhead with four large holes. :biggrin:

:hmm:

I didn't make up these terms. Look at plumbers. They call a piece of pipe threaded on both ends a nipple. :twisted:

Yes...it makes it difficult at work to talk about putting together low-pressure pneumatic pipe systems. Mentioning any manner of "nipple" is usually enough to severely interrupt the flow of a conversation.



Huh huh, nipple.

I came in here expected life like pleasure bots or holodeck. I am disappointed

But at least our pleasure-bots and holodecks of the future will be powered by cold fusion.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I don't have an opinion on the issue, I am just pointing it out. But yes, I always welcome the discussion that follows. Who cares anyway? I am sure as heck that Anand loves the forums clicks because he makes money off the impressions...

Ah, so suddenly you no longer have an opinion about any of this stuff?

Likewise, we're just pointing out your previous behavior on topics like this.

You weren't so welcoming of the discussions before, what changed?

Who cares? So why post it then? Why do what you've done in the past on topics like these?

Ok....?

 

[SparkyJJO]

Stop lying

That's an ironic statement, coming from you.

interesting thought : why not start considering the ISPs the same way we consider electricity providers and natural gas providers?

DON'T give them any ideas!

 

[CZroe]

interesting thought : why not start considering the ISPs the same way we consider electricity providers and natural gas providers?

DSL has been similarly deregulated almost all along.

 

[DrPizza]

For once, i dont understand why Rossi spent time and money to build this 1MW reactor (in that container) - instead of simply using ONE of the devices and proof once and for all that the device works.

Allow me to explain: he doesn't prove once and for all that the device works because <drum roll> THE DEVICE IS A FRAUD. Before you say "hey, I'm just joking", you rip off as many people for as much money as you can. Otherwise, you're not a very good fraudster.

 

[adlep]

Ah, so suddenly you no longer have an opinion about any of this stuff?

Likewise, we're just pointing out your previous behavior on topics like this.

You weren't so welcoming of the discussions before, what changed?

Who cares? So why post it then? Why do what you've done in the past on topics like these?

Ok....?

Ok,
So why do you care so much that I care? Seems that you have a small obsession about me and my posts. Looking up my history, calling me out, come over here thread crapping, and provoking me. That is a weird behavior bud. Now do me a favor and either get out of this thread or post something that is not related to me personally OK?
I am sorry that this topic did not pass darkswordsman17's approve list, but it is Anand's forums and not yours.

 

[skyking]

I think it is entirely possible, if they keep the fusion cold with solution.

 

[vshah]

I think it is entirely possible, if they keep the fusion cold with solution.

very intriguing.

 

[skyking]

very intriguing.

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[adlep]

Story on Forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/10/30/believing-in-cold-fusion-and-the-e-cat/

 

[adlep]

Heads up:

E-CAT.com redirects to google green
http://www.google.com/green/

 

[zinfamous]

Heads up:

E-CAT.com redirects to google green
http://www.google.com/green/

so Rossi is broke b/c it's a sham, which is why google bought his domain?

cool.


edit: "sham," not "shame." lol